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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Rquarantello's rear tire and head leak /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1351541628 Message started by rquarantello4232 on 10/29/12 at 13:13:48 |
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Title: Rquarantello's rear tire and head leak Post by rquarantello4232 on 10/29/12 at 13:13:48 Hey everyone, I just purchased an 01 suzuki savage ls650 for $300. Has a small oil leak and a flat tire, couldnt have gotten a better deal. The oil leak is the i belive most widely know oil leak to happen to this bike. It is near the top of the cylinder head right behind where the muffler bolts in. Something about a nut cap or something that always leaks. The part is $5 but a dealership charges $300. I have the complete manual and am very handy with tools and have the time to set aside 4-6 hours going slowly and taking everything off to re-seal the gasket cap or wtv. My first of many questions is should I?? Lets say i keep the engine in the frame which others say I am able to do to fix this small leak, what all can go wrong. I know i have to keep all the bolts in order because they are different lengths and what is there anything I need to be aware of first before trying, Like something I shouldtn do that is irreversable if I should happen to do so?? thanks for any info |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by Serowbot on 10/29/12 at 13:43:58 Instructions here... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1099227295 Many how-to's here... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1181745927 Ps.. just don't overuse the RTV sealant and plug up an oil passage... that's about all you can do wrong... ;)... PS.. Welcome Savager... :)... |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by rquarantello4232 on 10/29/12 at 13:58:58 yep thats the site Ive looked at before and thats teh problem. Now reading through that, I have questions on verbage and what certain things are. 1st- it states when you take of the head covers, you have to clean all the sealent off real well but not scrap or gouge it. So how do you do that?? My first guess is a couple of damp rags and some windex. Would that work? 2nd-Something about remembering to replace the stainless screen in the oil breather? All of that is clueless to me. Im guesssing I will knwo what it is when i take off the top but do you or anyone have any pictures of what i can expect to see?? 3rd-Someone commented that before you take off anything, "set the engine to TDCC or TDC so that you release the pressure in the valves" Where is the button i push to set the engine to TDCC??? 4th-Someone said to make you when putting it all back together, to remember to put the oil screen all the way inside the head cover? Again like the screen and oil breather thing, is it an actual screen taht i just put in there or what should i be looking for. The manual really doesnt give good pictures on this step by step process. this leak really isnt a big deal and i could prolly ride on without fixing it as long as i watch my oil levels but i think it would be cool to fix it. I have to wait a week anyways to get my rear tire tube in anyways. I might just have to "sink or swim" and slowly take it apart and if i f**k up, take a bunch of pictures and post on here again haha Thanks again to everyone!!! |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by Blinky on 10/29/12 at 14:11:57 rq, Welcome and listen to the old pro's here. They are a wealth of knowledge and sound advice. And I am certain one or two of them will relish the opportunity to tell you where the button is to set TDC. :-/ How many miles on the bike? I purchased a 2007 earlier in the year and developed the oil leak you describe. You may very well have a leaking head plug but I found the oil leak I had came from a loose head bolt on the front of the cylinder just below and to the right of the exhaust header. Get down low and take a look at this bolt before you tear into it. Good Hunting |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by verslagen1 on 10/29/12 at 14:46:41 6D6E6A7E6D7E716B7A7373702B2D2C2D1F0 wrote:
No, not windex, though I've never tried that. a little gas and a plastic scraper, final clean with acetone, but it depends on what they sealed it with. some are easier than others. Quote:
Button? roflmao See the link in my sig? Click it and find adjust valves. ;D |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by rquarantello4232 on 10/29/12 at 15:23:01 Blinky-im 99% sure this cap is where my leak is coming from. I will clean up all the leaked oil over time and let the bike run for 10-15 just to get that 1% confirmation but from the buildup from that bolt, that is the area where all the oil is leaking from. Ver-told you i was a noob. I dont see the link in your sig to click, still new to the site so not even 100% onwhat you mean by sig lol. maybe signature?? |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by verslagen1 on 10/29/12 at 15:32:39 4447435744575842535A5A5902040504360 wrote:
signatures are at the bottom of the posts, mine has an orange pointing to a line of text, which is a link. |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by Oldfeller on 10/29/12 at 16:45:26 2D2E2A3E2D3E312B3A3333306B6D6C6D5F0 wrote:
You have the complete manual? Which manual do you have? Very important for us to know which manual version you have as you will be reading from it in between talking to us. For example, some manuals say the carburetor has a plastic float assembly and some manuals say it is made of Styrofoam filled fiberglass, but only the very most modern manuals can be trusted to give the correct answer. Which does your manual say for the '01 Savage? Some manuals have errors in them, you know. ====================== Serowbot is moderator in training on this section so he will be the one helping you mostly. Us older moderators will be watching from the sidelines and only kicking in as necessary. :) |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by tarkm812 on 10/29/12 at 17:25:50 I replaced this "rubber plug" based on this site's abundent info and experienced members without difficulties. Couple of things I can pass on are DON'T use 12 point sockets. Rounded out a bolt head. Remember to put the very top center bolt in before you reposition the head cover or you will be re doing your RTV line. The bolt will not clear the frame. I remembered this from reading this advice. I cleaned the surface with contact cleaner from radio shack. works great. I went for really clean surface (don't cheat) and thin consistent rtv line and slow reposition and no leaks. Dive right in it's easy. |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by Serowbot on 10/29/12 at 18:04:03 5D5E5A4E5D4E415B4A4343401B1D1C1D2F0 wrote:
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/12 at 10:07:20 Where'd he go? |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by Oldfeller on 10/30/12 at 10:18:17 He's trying to be a little more honest with us now .... using a real name now (might even be his). |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by rquarantello4232 on 10/30/12 at 11:44:04 haha im still here, ordered some parts online, ie. fuel line filter, new rear tire tube, oil filter, air filter, and a mega horn just for fun, i want a honk honk sound if someones coming into my lane, not a beep beep. So ill have to wait for these parts as well as a full day off before i can change the rear tire and nervously take apart the top of my engine. Thank you all for the advice. I still have other questions but wont ask until i have my manual infront on me, (which i also need to see what year the manual is for oldfeller) and i buy the rtv sealant. Thanks again!! |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by Oldfeller on 10/30/12 at 12:22:46 And so, he has his manual sitting right in front of him but cannot say which brand of manual it is or what year(s) it covers. you are still here, all right. |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by rquarantello4232 on 10/30/12 at 12:39:58 no no no, im at work and my manual is al la casa, so ill have an answer around 7. i downloaded the manual offline at this website http://www.tradebit.com/filedetail.php/8648947-suzuki-ls650-savage-service-manual-1986-2004-download |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by Oldfeller on 10/30/12 at 15:31:50 You need to learn how to ask here first before you run out and do things like paying $19.99 for an electronic manual. Electronic manuals are available here on the list for free -- see Index in Tech Documents/Reference Section. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1181745927 ================== If you have bought a Clymers or a Suzuki Shop Manual for your $19.99 here is a listing of all the known errors. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1119775997 Generally what we ask paper book newbies to do is to go through their manual and correct each instance of error in red ink. This saves you from frickups as you go through a repair job. |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/12 at 17:24:42 If I may be so bold, please, allow an old dude to toss out an idea or two. Go slow. YOuve stated youre excited, & I get that, but thats a great way to dive in too deep for your level of knowledge & expertise. As stated above, before you go buying manuals, ask the board what manual to get. They arent all created equal, but, the knowledge on the board can meke them equal. Before ya start in one a project that may be more than youre really ready for, ask here, check th e tech section. Tons of hours have gone into creating a library of proven methods of problem solving & put there for your use. Make the most of it, its free & its priceless. None of it is there because of me,, Find a problem that gonna stop you from riding it? Study up, run a post, describe what youre planning on doing,wait for thumbs up or advice guiding you on your way. Go into it, come to a question in the process, go to that thread, ask for help. We can see what youre doing, how youre going at it & you can tell where you are & whats got you in a bind. People will offer solutions, youll pick one & take a run at it.,, If youre like me, you need more than 1 project going at any one time. I need several. Some days, I cant do technical, some days, I cant do labor, heck, some days I cant even get dressed, so, If you want to tackle a wheel/tire problem at the same time youre working on the plug leak, cool,but cover that engine up if its open, even if youre not doing anything else, I never walk away from an open engine w/o covering it with clean rags, If you need a tube, youre gonna wish you had someone else install it. Thats gonna run around $30.00. Unless that tire is almost brand new & a good quality tire, you may want to just replace it. If it got much of a wound that made you need a tube thats even more reason to ditch the tire, |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by 07s40scotty on 10/30/12 at 20:35:55 I don't want to seem outta line Oldfeller- but alot of your replys directed at us newbs just seem alittle condesending. Like we're all part of some conspiracy or something. ie: real name & the plastic float stuff. Alot of us just need some helpful advice & it seems 1 azz is makin us all seem like villans in your eyes. You might delete this but I just thought you'd like to know it's quite intimidating and really not necessary. I've been afraid to post some of my ?'s for fear of being put in some Mr. Orange file or something :-? |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by rquarantello4232 on 10/30/12 at 20:48:23 being bold is perfectly fine, ill take and accept any criticism. The reason i bought the manual is because it took almost a full week to get authorized to post on this site. So by the 6th day, i figured there was some application error and I was just going to have to tackle everything by reading a manual. So i bought it and bright and early the next morning, my user name and pass are authorized to use the site. Thats the only reason. But yes, my first project is the back tire becuase the leak isnt terrible it just colors my chrome. The rear tire looks like it has 85% life left so im going to go ahead and try to change it out. I have the money to have someone do it for me if it becomes to much of a hassle but my career took a 180 so id like to have something else to take pride in so by trying it first, its just to me the best way to learn. I can pay whatever to have someone else do it if i cant finish it. |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by rquarantello4232 on 10/30/12 at 20:55:52 Scotty I see your point, but I personally didnt take offense to it. It will take more of a verbal azz kicking then that to make me think otherwise. When I was a newb as a cop, i took it for 4 months, even when i was right i was wrong, but I thank them to this day for everything they told me because Im still alive. I think of it in the same way, whatever someone tells me i dont take as offensive because down the line, I guarantee it will have saved time and money. |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by 07s40scotty on 10/30/12 at 21:23:08 I wasn't talkin only about you. Oldfeller gives some awesome advise but latley he's been on a manhunt of sorts that I dont really get is all. We're all supposed to be here to try to help ( although my "help" for people is somewhat limited.) If you flub your carb I can prolly help tho because I've had mine apart so many times I see it in my sleep :D |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by rquarantello4232 on 10/30/12 at 21:27:28 Haha, I'll pm you if that happens. Lol. Thanks!! |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by Oldfeller on 10/30/12 at 21:32:53 Scotty, Referencing Orange/Wernwilk/etc. ---- as long as we have a troll signing on as "endless newbies" and wasting the helper's time asking pointless questions and not following what he is referred to do, each real newbie that shows up will feel like they are being looked at askance, mainly because they are. Part of this issue comes from the list owner not providing the moderators the IP address tools so we can more readily find our little friend when he pops back up. This is supposed to be in process of being rectified, but until it does folks who exhibit posting characteristics that are shared by our little buddy are gonna feel like they are getting a bit of the stink eye (because they are). And when the IP tools become available, some of the newbies will likely disappear suddenly. Now, is this troll helping the list be open nice and friendly, no not really -- he is seeking his own jollies in his own fashion. And we will be calling him out as we are able to detect him. That's my job as head cop, I get to take all the heat for being the bad cop. And you will notice all our new moderators were selected by me from the very nicest sorts of people, so they can be nice cops. So yes, if you want my attention you can have it and I don't really mind telling you the truth about the situation either. Two things can happen, Orange/Wernwilk/whatever can grow up and start using his own name and start asking real questions as he gets to the point of doing stuff and he can start listening when he gets a test or a path to follow or he will continue to do what he has been doing, which is pretty much self-destructive and stupid. We have invested over 20 pages of our group time and effort in helping this individual, to the point folks are getting tired of it. And if the real newbies act normally, they really don't have any issues as very few people actually act like Orange/Wernwilk and they won't catch the stink eye. |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by 07s40scotty on 10/30/12 at 21:33:41 I did my rear tire myself & it took 3 tries to get it right. Just take it slow. The tech section is a great took for stuff like that... I used to pay out the azz for someone to do repair & maint. stuff for me too- but I lost everything- wife, house truck even the freakin cat lol. Now I'm in a new state, with a new kidney from my bro & very little cash flo. The cool thing is I've got a bike now which I've always wanted to have but never had the time; now I've got nothin but time & I love workin on it and riding it. |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by 07s40scotty on 10/30/12 at 21:38:47 Thats cool. I didnt mean to offend anyone- you in particular. I just have a keen sense of observation is all. I don't think that the acts of 1 idiot should have a bearing on the rest of us is all. :) |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by Serowbot on 10/30/12 at 22:06:48 Oh,.. why can't we all just get along?... ;D... On a lighter side... my favourite joke... A jumper cable walks in to a bar... ... and the bartender says.... "Okay,.. I'll serve you,... but don't start anything"... ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by Oldfeller on 10/30/12 at 22:18:13 And that's why you are de rowboat and we all loves ya .... |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by Oldfeller on 10/30/12 at 22:31:38 7C7F7B6F7C6F607A6B6262613A3C3D3C0E0 wrote:
Stick with the tire then. Do you own a set of tire irons? If not price a set of three 14"-16" tire irons on EBAY or Harbor Freight and compare that to the cost of having a motorcycle shop swap out your tube for you (you can save a lot of money on this service by taking them the bare wheel). Sometimes you can find tire changing deals at shops that advertise motorcycle tires in the yellow pages (they have the equipment to do the job quickly). Call around, don't just go to a place wheel in hand -- they will screw you to the wall. Tire changing (rear) Savage specific, list type http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1350180294 Tire changing (general) video based http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1245884202/0#0 |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/12 at 22:33:19 Ohh, yea, ride a bike in & ask them to change it, its gonna cost ya,, |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by rquarantello4232 on 10/31/12 at 08:22:33 Just called a place down the street from where my house is, and they said if I bring in the same tire and new tube, they would change it out, put it back on the rim, and balance for $30 plus tax. Idk if that is what some of you meant by charging out the azz but i think thats extremely reasonable. Over $60 I dont think I would do it, but I believe I can take off the back tire with rim, and bring it to them with the same amount of money for 3 tire irons and the other few things I would need. |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by Oldfeller on 10/31/12 at 08:28:38 http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/m/mrcnsPmJmcwQw8mgyIQ7rFw/140.jpg Yup, we figured that three good tire irons (at $12 each) costs more than a single dealer tube swap would cost. |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/31/12 at 08:32:26 $30.00 is pretty normal for you haulin in the wheel. YOu ride it in & ask them to pull the wheel? Thats gonna hurt,, Pay attention coming apart with it, spacers are different lengths. One side of the chrome adjusters has marks, there is an upside down, :) If youll reach in & pull the brake section before you drag the wheel out, youll be able to get a feel for what going back together is gonna take. |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by rquarantello4232 on 10/31/12 at 08:42:37 ya, he did say that. He said "your just bringing in the wheel right, not the whole bike?" and I said ya and he said "ya ya, $30 and tax" So thats ok with me. Justin, Im lost with your comment on One side of the chrome adjusters has marks, there is an upside down, If youll reach in & pull the brake section before you drag the wheel out, youll be able to get a feel for what going back together is gonna take. I will prolly understand what you mean when i pull off the wheel tomorrow, but were slow at work and I have nothing better to do than to fully understand everything haha. Thanks again for your time |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/31/12 at 08:48:46 It will make sense when you start pulling stuff apart, |
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Title: Re: excited Newb for 01 suzuki savage ls650 with Q Post by rquarantello4232 on 10/31/12 at 08:51:07 i figured. Thx :) |
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