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Title: Electrical Help-Please Post by gerald.hughes on 10/26/12 at 17:36:00 Here is my problem. All suggestions will be gratefully pursued. On Wednesday, while out shopping, I came out to start my bike and found it dead. Serowbot was kind enough to come and give me a jump. The bike started right up. I ride it about 20 miles before returning home. In my driveway I turned the bike off, turned it back on and hit the starter button. Dead bike. On Thursday, I pulled the battery and took it to a local shop to get a replacement. They charged and checked the battery, and told me that I did not need a new battery, that my battery had tested good. I came home and put the recharged battery in my bike and hit the starter. It fired right up. Today, Serowbot, George, Jim, and I rode up Mt. Lemon. I was about a 70 mile round trip, with a couple of stops in both directions. The bike ran and started without a hitch. On the way home from the ride, I made a quick stop at a store. When I came out, the bike was dead. This time it was George who came and gave me a jump. Bike started right up and I rode it home. RIght now the bike is in my driveway, and the battery is on a charger. Obviously, the battery is not recharging. I do not have a clue about what to do or check next. Please make suggestions. Thank you |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by verslagen1 on 10/26/12 at 17:55:32 check the connectors to the rectumfryer. |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by Cavi Mike on 10/26/12 at 18:26:47 Ha, rectumfryer. Possibly the rectifier is dead as well - hopefully it's not the stator. If the connections check out OK, verify the stator is working before you replace the rectifier. If you have a volt-meter, set it to an AC setting that's over 15V, start the bike, and then check across two of the yellow wires plugged into the rectifier. Should be reading well over battery voltage (voltage depends on stator winding style and RPM of bike but it should be well higher than battery voltage). If that is fine - no problem with the stator - rectifier is shot. Pretty much any 3-phase self-exciting rectifier will work if you're looking for a cheap fix and can do some wiring. The self-exciting rectifiers have 3 wires in from the stator and 2 wires out - positive and negative. |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by gerald.hughes on 10/26/12 at 20:11:51 Thanks, this is pretty much Greek to me, but at least now I have some idea of what I should be talking about to someone else |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by verslagen1 on 10/26/12 at 20:17:54 take off your seat and pile on, and you'll see a finned square thing with 2 bunches of wires going to it. remove the connectors and plug them back in. Put your seats back on. |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by Cavi Mike on 10/26/12 at 20:22:16 Ha. The rectifier is the electrical part that looks like a miniature car amplifier with 5 or 6 wires coming out of it. Its body is just one big heatsink about 4" square and 1" tall. The 3 yellow wires are the input wires from the stator(alternator). I don't remember where its located on the bike since I disassembled my bike a while ago and relocated it. Pretty sure it was behind the left-side cover though. *edit* Oh yeah! I totally forgot it was on the fender! |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by Serowbot on 10/26/12 at 21:59:25 Rectifier,... I know where there is a spare one,... Why don't we swap it out?... |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by gerald.hughes on 10/26/12 at 22:20:31 Great. I have the battery on the charger. If it takes, I should be able to start the bike and ride it over to your place. I will give you a call in the am. |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by SuperSavage on 10/26/12 at 23:28:43 Me thinks, yer bike no likey shopping. Take it to a ball game or bull fight and see how that goes... ;D |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by Serowbot on 10/28/12 at 14:25:56 Well,.. just finished testing Gerry's bike... Voltage on the battery reads 12.4v... turn on the key, it drops to 11.9v... Start the bike and it drops to 5 to 11 volts.... Reading AC from the stator reads 5.. 9.. and 11volts AC... the book says I should expect over 100v from these taps... Swapped the rectifier from a good bike,.. readings stay much the same... Resistance shows good on the stator wires,.. but methinks it's toast... $340.00 part from RonAyers... We might be parting this bike out soon... :-?... Just in the process of fixing up another bike for him, and swapping over accessories... :-?... Anyway,... just thought I'd update with the findings... |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by gerald.hughes on 10/28/12 at 14:56:03 Not a happy outcome, I only had 45 K on that bike, but I want to give a very sincere "Thank You" to everyone who made suggestions. You put us on the right track, even if we didn't like where it ended up. Guess that I will be without a bike for a while. Grrrrr. |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by rfw2003 on 10/28/12 at 15:14:15 J&P Cycles Still sells the Accel Stator and it's much cheaper then the OEM unit at $144.99 http://www.jpcycles.com/product/ZZ36159 R.F. |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by verslagen1 on 10/28/12 at 15:54:19 good thing there's a mechanic in the house. |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by gerald.hughes on 10/28/12 at 16:33:19 Unfortunately, it is not in my house. Fortunately, I know where Serowbot lives. |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/28/12 at 16:37:48 Hate to see that make a parts bike out of it, what about a junk yard part? Is the labor too much? Doesnt that take a special tool? |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by verslagen1 on 10/28/12 at 16:55:31 if it's a burnt out stator, no, remove and replace cover only. |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by Serowbot on 10/28/12 at 17:16:15 $144 sure beats $340... thanks for the link... Versy,.. PM'd you... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by rfw2003 on 10/28/12 at 18:14:00 5D4B5C41594C415A2E0 wrote:
Anytime, I just remembered seeing it when I was on the quest for a higher output stator, but never got any real info on if the Accel one actually put out more then the stock one on the savage or not. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by WD on 10/28/12 at 18:22:58 Pretty sure mine is fried too. Exactly the same scenario when it crapped out on me a couple years ago. Run for awhile w/o issues, then it needed to be jumped, then the battery was toast. 3 batteries in a year and a half. |
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Title: Re: Electrical Help-Please Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/28/12 at 18:49:33 1506420 wrote:
Ohh,, dang,, my Yamaha 250 4 wheeeeeler is actin strange, killin the battery, & I traced a slight current draw up behind the left side engine cover,, definitely in the charge circuit area..I keep the battery on life support a lot, its so wounded from the times its been run down by the machine that it loses .001 volts about every 3 seconds, even with the - cable off of it, |
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