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Title: The race is neck and neck... Post by Serowbot on 10/23/12 at 22:07:23 Of course it is... :-/... As a matter of fact,.. it always is... :-/... Can you think of a presidential election that wasn't?... (and I mean, before the election)... :-/... They are always presented as neck and neck,... because,.. it has to be... Media wants a horse race,.. for ratings... Leaders want it to ensure turnout... losers want it to prevent hopelessness, and loss of turnout... Pollsters want it for profits... ... and the people want it,... for entertainment... If the odds were, say,... 2 to 1,... voters would say,.. either "what's the use?,... or, "no need, it's sure thing... ... and no one would watch... and no one would vote... ... and polls are redundant... It's always a neck and neck horse race... Even if it ain't... ...but go vote anyway... :-?... Just do it, knowing that you're in on the joke.. :-?... ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/23/12 at 22:13:10 Amazingly astute osbervation.. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by srinath on 10/24/12 at 04:28:46 Yes its neck and neck ... but that's cos Mitt is in reverse. Ooooo he's TTIM ... Yea Vote TTIM. He's Obama but white ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by Starlifter on 10/24/12 at 20:15:05 ...could be the usual, the Repuks are setting us up for another stolen election yet again... |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/24/12 at 22:18:26 I saw what they did to RP,, I saw what happened with Bush,, Im watching what Romney is doing,, man,, Right in front of God & country & the world,BUYING voting machine companies,, REALLY? & How is that right? Im so sick of the obvious conflicts of interest.. Im sick to death of all of it,. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by Starlifter on 10/24/12 at 22:20:11 ...yes. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by thumperclone on 10/24/12 at 22:20:56 here come the hanging chads |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by Starlifter on 10/24/12 at 22:27:42 ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by WebsterMark on 10/25/12 at 05:40:17 come on back down to earth fellas... it's a long fall from up there. Obama's got investments in the Cayman Islands also; does that make him a Republican? You guys need a little bit greater understanding of the concept of degrees of seperation. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by Bubba on 10/25/12 at 07:16:51 7-11 has done this for the last 4 elections I think... They get within .5 percentage points Larger polling base makes sense... it's not neck and neck... http://www.7-eleven.com/7-election/ |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by WebsterMark on 10/25/12 at 08:18:03 Thanks Bubba; I'd never even heard of that before, glad you posted it. I think this will be the end of the accuracy of the poll however. right now it has obama up in Missouri 61 to 39 which is impossible. It has obama up nationally 59 to 41 which is same as Reagan's defeat of Mondale. That's not going to happen. I wonder why it was accurate before and not so much now?..... Something to think about, and since I'm on vacation today, I'll do that. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by Bubba on 10/25/12 at 08:27:07 yeah, pretty much a just for fun kinda thing...7-11 never says it's a real poll...but their record in the past has been good...there are quite a few states that don't participate also... |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by WebsterMark on 10/25/12 at 09:08:08 yea true, but there's something to the fact they were so accurate last time and so far off this time. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by Bubba on 10/25/12 at 09:18:45 well we don't know that yet do we... ;) |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by WebsterMark on 10/25/12 at 09:25:56 obama might win, but it wont be by that margin. not even near it. my first thought as to the big difference has to do with more Starbucks and other speciality coffee outlets now as compared with 4 years ago. what else? |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by Bubba on 10/25/12 at 09:29:49 My theory is that these results haven't changed for quite a while...I think everyone is sick and tired of it and just wants it to be over...any gains that have been made by any candidate probably don't show up cuz folks are tired of seeing anything that has to do with this election and consequently aren't participating as frequently... |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by WebsterMark on 10/25/12 at 09:40:57 I'd agree with that. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by srinath on 10/26/12 at 07:30:03 7B677A627F6A7D6C6360616A0F0 wrote:
No no no ... nothing hanging ... the machine shreds everything not in Mitt's favor so clean ... nothing is left hanging ... The whole crap spending on election could have been used to pay off the debt ... The fools who say the debt is an issue and they pay a political campaign are liars ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by WebsterMark on 10/26/12 at 08:06:40 Perspective: the debt is 16 trillion dollars. this election will cost 2.5 billion at that rate, we could pay the equivalent of what is spent on a presidential election every year for the next 6,400 years before we paid the debt off. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by srinath on 10/26/12 at 13:50:11 083A3D2C2B3A2D123E2D345F0 wrote:
Dude ... the debt was 14 trillion before the Tea party came to being ... Obama didn't create the 16 billion ... in fact most of the 16 trillion are our obligations no matter what ... There is more perspective ... 11 trillion is owed to other departments and people inside US. The foreign debt is under 5 billion. Under 2 billion of it is owed to countries that have ever been hostile ... And there us some stuff you have to do ... effective or not ... just cos it feels good. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by WebsterMark on 10/27/12 at 05:20:31 Dude ... the debt was 14 trillion before the Tea party came to being ... Obama didn't create the 16 billion ... in fact most of the 16 trillion are our obligations no matter what ... There is more perspective ... 11 trillion is owed to other departments and people inside US. The foreign debt is under 5 billion. Under 2 billion of it is owed to countries that have ever been hostile ... And there us some stuff you have to do ... effective or not ... just cos it feels good. Hey moron, I was simply pointing out how large the debt is and how ‘small’ numbers that we seen to think are huge when compared to the debt. oh shut up.... What is it with you obama lovers that anything sends you off into your Bush did it, the Tea Party did it… etc… What’s the deal? They you start spouting a bunch of nonsense crap that has nothing to do with anything. Geez…. You’ve got a man crush on the guy and want to have his baby or something. Yea, I get it. Fact is what we spend on elections is ‘relatively’ small in the big picture. Cool Webster |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by srinath on 10/27/12 at 09:20:54 447671606776615E726178130 wrote:
Thanks webster ... calling me names ... easy, you dont have a point. You cant turn a super tanker on a dime. You cant fix a blown up motor in a minute ... Use whatever analogy you like ... bush blew it up, took 8 years. Obama had 2 years of trying to fix it and 2 years of fighting the deadlock by the repugs ... not enough time to fix anything. Sorry call me all the names you wish ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/27/12 at 10:07:43 Sure as hell cant turn a supertanker if youre so busy shoveling coal into the boilers that you dont even bother to turn the wheel. In Other Words,,he didnt do things he could have done to stem the spending, OR, you will of course Show us where he slowed it down, If he slowed it down, why was there more? He Did Not do what he said he would AND he had the same power to march our men into wars that Bush did & he had the same exact power to bring them home & he did not do it when he said he would. Iraq, we left at the time when Bush had already agreed to leave, he did Nothing to modify what Bush had done, And, now we have mercenaries working there,, Its worse, not better. & if it was a Bub in office I would say the same things, Its worse & its getting worse at an accelerating rate & I dont care Who wins, its gonna Continue to do exactly that.,ITs The Goal of the Game,, we arent players, we are just men on the chessboard, sadly, only a very few are aware it IS a game, Its a global game, & , since the majority of the globe is united in the fact that they use a private central bank, & All the worlds private central banks come back to just a few families, what we are seeing is the beginning of a slow, controlled meltdown of global economies. Once theyve created enough debt for everyone ( &, anyone who has a lot of resources but wants to maintain their sovereignty & NOt Participate in the central banking scheme will simply not be allowed to live,, Thats a common theme, Iraq, Libya. Dont believe me? Re3ad confessions of an economic hit man.) It was well known what nafta & gatt would do to our economy, no one sees them as being good for America. Some will hemm & haww around about how OHH welll, we Had to do it,, but we didnt Have to, & It wasnt Good For America, Period, & Only really really politically naive people dont get that. It was OBVIOUS what it would do. SO, IF one does something that is Clearly gonna HURT ones own self interests, Then, why? Because we Are Being Taken DOwn,, period. The economic events arent accidents,. The economy HAS to run down, its part of the design of the fed system, its as much a part of the system as the dollar is. Its Inherent in the design of the fed that it not be sustainable, It can be operated to last longer or it can be run in a ditch quickly, but, the design is such that eventually, it crashes. REad the book, then youll understand. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by WebsterMark on 10/27/12 at 17:59:32 Obama had 2 years of trying to fix it he spent his first two years pushing through a healthcare bill no one but lobbyist wanted. He had his chance and blew it. Republicans had nothing they could do to stop him, he screwed things up all on his own... |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by srinath on 10/27/12 at 18:55:36 5E6C6B7A7D6C7B44687B62090 wrote:
You think he screwed up healthcare via obamacare. My 342 buck refund from my insurance company for last years premiums, apart from the 30 something that went to my employer for their 8% or so says otherwise ... No one but repugs call it a complete failure ... the working class that has to pay for it especially calls it a less than stellar, but still a positive change. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/27/12 at 20:47:40 I hope the supporters of this health care thing will be gutsy enough to admit it in 5 years,Im gonna say that in 5 years, even the most ardent supporters of the bill ( the one no one had read, the one we had to pass in order to find out whats in it.. Would your lawyer let you sign a contract neither of you had read? IDK what legal liabilities that would lay at his feet, buts its darn sorry lawyering) will be wishing iy hadnt been done that way,, Freedom! Love it,, the goobs can now tell a private individual they WILL take $$$ out of their pocket & they WILL purchase a product,, Or they WILL be penalized, or taxed, or somethin,, I cant remember which one it is, |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by WebsterMark on 10/28/12 at 06:10:57 My 342 buck refund from my insurance company for last years premiums, apart from the 30 something that went to my employer for their 8% or so says otherwise ... That $342 is partially coming out of my pocket, sooner or later. No need to thank me, you're welcome. Amen Jog. It could be a disaster. However, could is the important word here. I don't think it ever takes off to the degree it could. Hopey's going down and Romney will at least slow this implementation down a little. at least until the next generation of moochers get their shot at it. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/28/12 at 08:27:12 Ill be surprised if America sees another 2 term president ( well,, BUsh shoulda never seen his, hafta thank the Supremes for that one I think, &, with machines involved, votes can be whatever someone wants them to be). OUr economy is being driven down, look around at other nations, its debt , debt, debt,, its like what it woulda been like if George had never been born, in that Christmas story, with Jimmy Stewart & he is a banker, & the Bad Guy is a banker,, Well,, IF the banker can hold your mortgage & then help you get in deeper & deeper debt, then he can foreclose & Own your place, & if he does it to all the Good PLaces,, & sets up the Owners so they cant pay their bills, then he can foreclose & Own That,, Its REALLY that simple & thats what is happening, REad Creature/Jekyll Island, Confessions of an economic hitman, spend time on Lew Rockwell & MIses,, learn whats happening, then when ya see something going on, instead of looking at it & cocking your head, curling a lip & raising an eyebrow & goin HUHH???<< YOull get it. But then youll do all that stuff & say HUHHH?,, because others dont. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by srinath on 10/28/12 at 19:21:17 4F7D7A6B6C7D6A55796A73180 wrote:
Nope sorry, It came out of my own pocket from earlier in the year ... its the 80% rule ... OK fine you are a healthcare company CEO/Shareholder ... OK I forget, ok its coming from your pocket. But hey dont worry when Romney reverses it you will get that $ back. 5 years, Romney care has been around for longer than that, no one seems to be complaining ... or they are all dead. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by WebsterMark on 10/29/12 at 07:35:21 You guys crack me up… You think money can be taken from a business by uncle sam and they’ll just sit back and say okay… They will do what you would do: find a way to get it back. I’ll pay for your $342 one way or another. You’re thinking is the same kind of simplistic thinking obama is taking advantage of. Abortion pills forced on catholic churches he says are free! It’s not ; it’s just the Sandra Flukes (yea, the very *friendly* person) of the world don’t have to pay for it, I do. You do. That’s why health insurance cost has gone up since obamacare and will continue. That’s why he’s giving waivers. Two new independent studies of health insurance premiums and health care spending indicate both are rising at an accelerated pace, despite President Obama’s 2008 promise to contain those costs and his pledge that his health care legislation would reduce premiums. Spending on health care rose 4.6 percent in 2011 — up $4,500 per person, on average — according to the nonpartisan Health Care Cost Institute. That’s up from a 3.8 growth rate in 2010. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/29/12 at 09:56:00 It all works great till we run out of other peoples money to spend, |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 10/29/12 at 10:39:14 Back to the original premise that the race is neck and neck. You can get a poll to predict whatever you want. It's all about whom you poll, and how. For instance, do you poll representatives of the people at large? Do you poll only registered voters? Do you try to scientifically cull out from registered voters those people who are likely voters in any given elction, and only poll a sample of them? Do you ask the early voters how they voted and try to draw a conclusion from that info about how the folks who go to the polls on election day will vote? Next Tuesday night we'll know (probably) from the only poll that matters - the vote totals. But I guess it's fun to either get excited or down in the mouth as your candidate's polling numbers change from day to day. One thing I see this time around is that the Dems may be the party this year who wants to preserve the Electoral College, as Romney may well win the popular vote and lose the electoral vote. In 2000, the Dems wanted to trash the EC when Gore won the popular vote but lost the Presidency. How ironic. I personally believe we ought to trash the EC - it's time of usefullness has long since passed. If there is a tie in the EC, which could happen, but probably not, it gets real interesting. Then, the Presidency is decided by the House, where each state gets one vote regardless of the number of Representatives from each state. Since the Rs control 33 of the states' delegations, Romney wins the Presidency 33 to 17. But the Senate elects the VP, with each Senator getting one vote. Since the Dems have a majority in the Senate, we get a Dem VP. Could be Biden, could be Obama, could be Hillary, who knows. This last happened when John Adams was elected Pres. and Thomas Jefferson became VP - two men a lot farther apart in their political and economic views than Romney and Obama could ever be. |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by WebsterMark on 10/29/12 at 13:28:20 thanks for the post Jerry. Good to hear from you again. But the Senate elects the VP, with each Senator getting one vote. Since the Dems have a majority in the Senate, we get a Dem VP. Could be Biden, could be Obama, could be Hillary, who knows. This last happened when John Adams was elected Pres. and Thomas Jefferson became VP - two men a lot farther apart in their political and economic views than Romney and Obama could ever be. wouldn't that be something! Obama wouldn't do it, Hilary wouldn't do it, now Biden, he's a big enough jerk; he'd do it! |
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Title: Re: The race is neck and neck... Post by srinath on 10/29/12 at 15:53:55 617E787F62655464546C7E72390B0 wrote:
When we run out of other people's $$$ - which Other People JOG ? americans ? cos 65% is held by americans - I mean US citizens, the other 35 % ... well its held by japan, brazil, england, swiss etc who dont care, they are just parking their $$$ in a whole slew of $$$ including the dollar ... so that leaves 2 trillion ... lets say 8%. So when that 8% wont give us more $$$, we dont care we can just print that ... In case the rest of them wont give us more $$$ ... guess what we can print it all ... Who is affected when we print it ... Yes, those with lots of $$$ sitting as dollar designated $$$ ... Your social security ... will adjust with inflation ... so will people's wages ... most working people dont have to worry ... people with mattresses full of $$$ they lose. Those who are in debt, in USD make out like bandits and those receiving $$ in dollars stay where they are. Stop repeating the same thing over and over again, its well and truly baseless ... except to scare people into voting for Romney. Cool. Srinath. |
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