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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Re: 170 Rear Tyre /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1350973203 Message started by J C Stokes on 10/23/12 at 00:00:07 |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by J C Stokes on 10/23/12 at 00:00:07 Paul, I'm in NZ as well. What side will Land Transport NZ, or Ministry of Offence Creation, call them what you will allow the tail light, number plate light. I am far from techo but most vertical plate mountings I've seen seem to be on the right of the bike. |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by J C Stokes on 10/23/12 at 12:15:58 Fair enough. |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by J C Stokes on 10/23/12 at 15:18:11 Paul, just wondering whether you will have speedo issues with the new tyre. Is the od similar to what was on the original wheel? |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by Demin on 10/23/12 at 17:19:44 I barely get a 150 onto my bikes.That 170 has to be tight. ::) |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/23/12 at 22:14:46 & if ya ever come to the spot where ya dont know what yer doin,, just go back to doin what ya know,, |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by Cavi Mike on 10/24/12 at 10:57:04 I notice you haven't posted a single picture directly from the back - they're always slightly to the side. That wouldn't be because you're trying to hide the fact that your rear tire is no longer on center with the bike, would it? |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/24/12 at 11:21:14 Man, prop that thing up on a 2X4 & pop a couple off from the left. Im not thinkin its gonna be ugly.. |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/24/12 at 11:42:10 Very tidy.. NIce job on the cables. I used to spend Hours putting a stereo up, just getting all the wires tidy, I like all of it, |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by Cavi Mike on 10/24/12 at 11:54:41 4150445D5C50434259505D5D310 wrote:
Obviously you forgot that you sent me a PM saying you were just going to make new spacers and shift the wheel over and I said that you needed to say no more because I would never do anything that sketchy on my bike. Would you like me to quote them and post them here? |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by SALB on 10/24/12 at 12:27:50 7C6D7960616D7E7F646D60600C0 wrote:
http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/001_011.jpg My 150/90-15 tire was that close, and when I rode faster than 60mph, centrifugal force expanded the tire enough to cause it to rub. As close as your tire is to the swingarm in front and the rear fender, be careful the first few times you ride it. |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by SALB on 10/25/12 at 11:21:02 Not trying to be a Negative Nelly. :-[ Just concerned about your well being, and relaying my own experience. ;) If the tire doesn't rub, more power to ya! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=beer.gif] |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by Cavi Mike on 10/25/12 at 21:59:41 7F6E7A63626E7D7C676E63630F0 wrote:
Pulling my leg? You were dead serious and it's 100% apparent in your pictures that the rear wheel is shifted to the left by what appears to be at least an inch. The wheel isn't supposed to be centered in the swing-arm, it's supposed to be centered in the bike. You can call me an old fart, a woman or whatever other terms you wish but it doesn't change the fact that you have seriously altered the handling of your bike. If someone else wants to try something as stupid as this, may god have mercy on all of your souls. |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by Cavi Mike on 10/25/12 at 22:13:05 OK it's probably more like 1/2" but all that matters is it's offset and a 170 doesn't fit. It's abundantly clear that you shouldn't be giving advice on modifying motorcycles let alone judging anyone else. http://cavimike.com/savagecenter.JPG |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by verslagen1 on 10/25/12 at 22:48:42 OF... didn't you say the stock rear tire is offset? mike? how about not being so self rightous? |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by J C Stokes on 10/25/12 at 23:21:15 For god's or someones sake, lets not have another international incident. Marshall never advised anyone on this mod. He simply showed it and if it does go wrong, he can accept the consequences. |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by paulmarshall on 10/26/12 at 10:52:04 I had 'Wheel & Spoke Services' fit a custom 16/4.25 36 spoke Morad rim to my stock hub to replace the stock 15 2.75 rim, and a set of 8/9 Butted stainless steel spokes. By removing the rear foot peg mounts i was able to fit a 170 tyre using the stock spacers. I did however moved the front sprocket spacer from the outside to the inside and used longer bolts on the rear sprocket and spaced out the rear sprocket. I have been advised by professional racers who has done this is you can off set a rim by 4mm before noticing any difference in performance. And this is on racing bikes. I then did some research and asked a number of bike shops and all agreed that there would be no change in performance. So the rim is off set 4mm toward the chain and that's it folks a 170 fits clean and true but off set 4mm on the hub with no change in performance and safety. I wanted it offset more but the company who did the job would only go to 4mm for safety reasons. I didn't think a 170 would fit, I first ordered a 160 but could see plenty of room for a 170.So the hub is in the same place but the rim 4mm to the left. The only thing that did not fit is the chain guard. And the chain guard mounts needed modifying. The 4mm off set cannot be seen with the naked eye, I understand that the stock tyre sits to one side so maybe the 170 insinuates that more, But I promise you the tyre and rim is only 4mm to the left. It did cost just over $1000.00 including tyre but worth every penny. I DID NOT DO THIS WORK MYSELF,All work was done by professionals in there field and done to a safe standard. I suggest that anyone wanting to do this mod do the same. 5173647B5F7B7977120 wrote:
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by paulmarshall on 10/26/12 at 16:03:12 I love my 170 |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by paulmarshall on 10/26/12 at 16:05:22 170 |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by paulmarshall on 10/26/12 at 16:09:13 170 |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by paulmarshall on 10/26/12 at 16:10:54 170 |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by paulmarshall on 10/26/12 at 16:28:20 I will post more photos next week when my bike comes back from the shop, where the rear guard is getting mounted. Like I said earlier all work is being done by professionals to maintain a safe and road legal machine. I too never dreamed a tyre wider than a 150 could ever be fitted to a Savage, But someone helped me to think out of the box and suggested safe viable options that not only work in theory but in practice. I did not jump into this venture blindly, As I said earlier I asked questions to experts who had already done this to full on racing bikes that rely on safety and performance. My personal opinion is the the stock rear tyre on these bikes has always been the weak link, cosmetically and in performance. I too personally believe that the 170 gives the Savage the muscle look it well deserves. |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by SALB on 10/26/12 at 19:45:18 What size tire is that? I know it's 170mm wide, for a sixteen inch rim, but what is the aspect ratio...170/XX-16? This would give us all a better idea of the diameter/circumference. And yes, I have to agree that 170 looks quite good. 8-) |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by paulmarshall on 10/28/12 at 15:44:19 Hi there, Its a 170/70/16. I picked up my bike from the shop today and they still hadn't started mounting the guard, so I removed the bike so I can have a ride. I have been clocking up the Kms/ Miles now and believe the bike handles so much better with the new tyre. Some New Zealand roads resemble roads one might find in 3rd world countries,And with the 130 I was running on the rear I often found myself feeling the changes in road texture. This has been reduced to a minimum since fitting the 170, also Having more rubber and air between me and the road has increased comfort in the suspension. It definitely handles better in the corners, so much so now that one has to be careful that the front will let go. I will have to put my thinking cap on and see what mods I can come up with for the front. If there are any! Anyone living in the Northern Hemisphere can capitalize on this mod cos the rim I had to source from both USA and England. And the cost to ship it and the cost of tax was criminal.It was eventually sent from England. I did want to use a 15" rim but had trouble finding one, which is why I went for a 16". There are some pretty cool low profile 160/??/15 out there for these big scooters. I didn't have to go for a 4.25 rim either because a thinner rim will support a 160 or 170. There is a table that supports what size rim fits what size tyre. The 4.25 was a little over kill as it supports a 200 and that would never fit. |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by paulmarshall on 10/28/12 at 20:33:43 As you can see the contour is very different with a raised rib in the middle. |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by paulmarshall on 10/28/12 at 20:35:01 The polished Alloy comes up nice. |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by paulmarshall on 10/28/12 at 20:38:29 Not sure how to finish exhaust, I have got some white exhaust wrap for the header and either chrome or paint the mufferler white. Open for suggestions. |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by paulmarshall on 10/28/12 at 20:40:29 Got to tidy the wiring up under tank. |
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Title: Re: 170 Rear Tyre Post by paulmarshall on 10/28/12 at 22:21:32 nice I like it. I wonder if I can find someone in NZ to do this kind of work? I am going to look into it. Thanks |
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