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Message started by wambr on 10/17/12 at 11:44:20

Title: bad camchain?
Post by wambr on 10/17/12 at 11:44:20

Hello! such a thing ... Here's the chain I bought in my time http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIzM1gxNjAw/$%28KGrHqYOKjIE7EDD%29+2VBO%29ohDE+Nw%7E%7E60_35.JPG
with her this trouble was ... I went on it about 12000km. today looked-as she stretched nearly to the limit.
can someone else used the chain? tell impressions.

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/17/12 at 11:50:21

Thats about 1/2 the service life of a typical OEM chain,
If you can get a Verslagen mod on it, you can ride some more. If you know a welder, its not hard to do that part. His tensioners are also modded so they cant come apart, which is a Major plus, but, freight to you may be an issue, I dont know,,

I wouldnt be too happy about a timing chain with a link in it,,but it sure would make installation a snap,,

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by verslagen1 on 10/17/12 at 14:03:09

When you replaced it, did you replace the rear guide aka tensioner?
A new one will push in the plunger about 3 to 4mm.

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by wambr on 10/17/12 at 21:18:04

thank you guys! my translator is not very well translated into Russian.
in General when I installed the NEW camchain, I measured the output rod tensioner . I had 11[ch1084][ch1084]. now output rod tensioner is 20mm.
Yes I made myself a Verslagen's mod. and now moved the rear Shoe of camchain to a new location . thank you Verslagen for the idea .
Verslagen,-"aka tensioner"-
what is it? I can show you something in the pictures

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/17/12 at 21:44:43

I have no idea what Verslagen means, but that was his name long before he came up with the idea to weld a tab on the tensioner,.

Sure, man, post some pics up,, its always fun lookin in the guts of someones motor.

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by verslagen1 on 10/17/12 at 21:51:27

687E727D6D1F0 wrote:

Rear guide "also known as" Tensioner
http://suzukisavage.com/images/uploaded/CCAdjChk02.jpg

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/17/12 at 22:00:39

Yea,, they call the rear guide the tensioner,, & yea, It does soak up some slack,, but dang,, I cant help but call the part with the spring in it the tensioner.

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by wambr on 10/17/12 at 22:01:05

thank you! I understand..
when I looked at it, it seemed normal, with no signs of wear or damage...

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by wambr on 10/17/12 at 22:04:58

now, when I moved aka tensioner on the main site, the engine is a completely different... without the banging and noise.. I just couldn't understand why my engine so much noise? timing chain replaced by the not so long ago(in the beginning of the season)...and I just didn't think that she may be worn out...

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/17/12 at 22:10:49

How many millimeters is the tube extended?

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by wambr on 10/17/12 at 22:15:41

now , after I moved to a new place, the output of stem tensioner was about 3-5 mm or rather don't remember...did yesterday late in the evening.
the distance between the branches of a camchain approximately 20-25mm...

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/17/12 at 22:20:57

Let me try again.

There is the part that the cam chain guide bolts to. It has a tube with ratchet teeth on it & that tube has a spring pushing it out to take the slack out of the chain. From the end of the housing the tube goes into to the end of the machining ON that tube can only be something around 20 mm before it starts being dangerous. ( I Hope I am remembering that correctly. If Im wrong there, someone please set me right)

That picture you were talking about might be a good thing,

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by wambr on 10/17/12 at 22:46:13

first, evening when I took off the right side cover of the engine it is something like this. http://Cam_Chain_Tensioner_1.jpg
then, it was so.
http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/CamChainClub/verslavy.jpg

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by wambr on 10/17/12 at 22:47:28

get better... at first it looked as weak timing chain http://cs308128.userapi.com/v308128733/2404/Aqy03Qux7xw.jpg

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/17/12 at 22:57:44

5E48444B5B290 wrote:

This is very good looking.

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/17/12 at 22:58:10

30262A2535470 wrote:

get better... at first it looked as weak timing chain http://cs308128.userapi.com/v308128733/2404/Aqy03Qux7xw.jpg

This isnt so good.

Title: Re: bad camchain?
Post by wambr on 10/17/12 at 23:06:52

I know... that's why, when in the autumn of last year examined the old camchain , the first thing I did was extended rod tensioner. so that i can ride up to a new chain. but it was unfortunately even worse than the old....
now would have to re-buy the chain.