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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1350416508 Message started by Gyrobob on 10/16/12 at 12:41:48 |
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Title: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Gyrobob on 10/16/12 at 12:41:48 Is there anyway a locksmith (or anyone else) could rewicker the gas cap and/or steering lock so they would both use the same key? I detest having to carry two keys for one vehicle. |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Serowbot on 10/16/12 at 12:46:52 Easy,.. don't bother locking the steering... our bikes are worthless on the criminal market... ... plus,.. if anybody wanted it... it's light enough for a couple of guys to throw in the back of a truck, steering lock or not... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by arteacher on 10/16/12 at 12:50:49 Not without a lot of modification to the steering lock. The cylinder for the steering lock is a lot smaller. |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Dave on 10/16/12 at 13:09:26 Epoxy or solder your keys together......so the key has two blades! |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Gyrobob on 10/16/12 at 13:11:25 Maybe I could set up an RF keyfob, so I wouldn't have to have any keys at all. |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by brucey on 10/16/12 at 13:45:41 you could always get a key chain |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Gyrobob on 10/16/12 at 13:58:14 39292E383E225B0 wrote:
I tried the keychain, as my current wife suggested it. I couldn't get either lock to move at all. There was no way those little silver balls, all strung together like that, would fit into those tiny little key slots. I pretty much have to use one of the keys to get the locks to move at all. |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Gyrobob on 10/16/12 at 14:02:35 6A515C4B5A564D4B5058554A390 wrote:
I don't know if you are serious or not, but that thought does have some merit,... maybe. I'll have to ponder on it. -- Maybe hack the heads of the keys off so they just barely stick out of the lock (say, 1/8") then braze them together. I dunno. -- Maybe rivet them together with one rivet so they could be closed like a pocket knife when not in use, but then opened up when needed to unlock a lock. hmmmmmmmmm |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by verslagen1 on 10/16/12 at 14:03:07 7A6C7B667E6B667D090 wrote:
Yep, forget the steering lock, get a 6' chain and lock to a pit bull. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/16/12 at 14:28:53 If you go with the 2 keys connected, Id suggest 90* instead of 180*. Better yet, drill them, put a washer between them & rivet them, then you wont have a Poke you when you bend over hazard in your pocket, |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by stewmills on 10/16/12 at 17:13:23 I'm pretty sure the key blanks are different, meaning that the innards of the two different lock mechanisms are different thus one key will not work in the other lock as opposed to residential locks where all you have to do is manipulate the pins to fit the key... |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Gyrobob on 10/16/12 at 20:44:58 57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 wrote:
This was in reply #7: "-- Maybe rivet them together with one rivet so they could be closed like a pocket knife when not in use, but then opened up when needed to unlock a lock." |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Gyrobob on 10/16/12 at 20:46:59 606776647E7A7F7F60130 wrote:
Yes, they are quite different. That is why I bring up this whole idea. It's not an easy thing to do. If they could use the same key blank, like you say, it would be $10 given to a locksmith to key them alike. |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/16/12 at 22:10:46 5E606B767B767B190 wrote:
This was in reply #7: "-- Maybe rivet them together with one rivet so they could be closed like a pocket knife when not in use, but then opened up when needed to unlock a lock."[/quote] Well,, awwrite then! How many times someone gotta tell ya sumthin before ya get it? Huhhh??.. There ya go,, ya done got the bestest & smartest answers, right? |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Cavi Mike on 10/16/12 at 22:21:31 How about just yanking all of the tumblers out of the gas cap - now anything will turn it. Since you're still using a key I doubt anyone will notice it's not the proper key and since it still has a lock, no one can just twist it off and walk away with it. Unless you have some actual enemies or the people in your area are just that mischievous, no one will ever find out unless you tell them. |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Gyrobob on 10/17/12 at 05:41:59 426077684C686A64010 wrote:
The lock on the gas cap, 99.99% of the time, is not helpful. -- Nothing more than an inconvenience for me. -- I have to use the key to get the cap off to get gas. -- It might malfunction. -- A professional bad guy won't be bothered at all by the gas cap lock. -- It probably prevents not much more than casual vandalism. The problem with taking out the gas cap tumblers is,... I still need two keys. One for ignition and one for the steering lock. I wonder what the engineering rationale was for using two completely different locks for ignition, gas cap, toolbox, and lock. |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Paraquat on 10/17/12 at 06:06:44 Don't forget the tool box. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Gyrobob on 10/17/12 at 07:01:16 5465766575716570040 wrote:
That's a valid thought for a stock Savage, but I have a RYCA conversion. No locked toolbox. I made one of my own in the tailpiece. See Double RYCA, reply#248. |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by verslagen1 on 10/17/12 at 09:14:27 7C4249545954593B0 wrote:
bean counter rationale, problably not engineering. I think I've used my fork lock once or twice... to find out how it works. I'd have to try it again just to remember if it did work. Since the idea was thrown out there... and not really picked up... The cylinder can be filed to accept any key. And you can fiddle with the pins to work with the available key. |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Gyrobob on 10/17/12 at 11:01:32 706374756A6761636837060 wrote:
Do you mean the steering lock could be "adjusted" to accept the ignition key? |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Paraquat on 10/17/12 at 11:07:44 I believe that is what he is suggesting but you'd have to trim the rails that guide the key because they are in two different locations. Not sure. I love my C50. OFF. Clock wise is igniton on. OFF. Counter clockwise is fork lock. One more CCW is parking lights and fork lock (stupid option if you ask me) All in one. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Cavi Mike on 10/17/12 at 12:57:13 7B454E535E535E3C0 wrote:
I didn't even think of that. I suppose ruining the ignition lock is out of the question... I'm not sure I'd try my idea on the fork lock, there would have to be at least one tumbler in there to prevent it from turning on its own. I think this all comes down to your own confidence modifying that lock. |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Gyrobob on 10/17/12 at 13:07:38 1D3F28371337353B5E0 wrote:
I didn't even think of that. I suppose ruining the ignition lock is out of the question... I'm not sure I'd try my idea on the fork lock, there would have to be at least one tumbler in there to prevent it from turning on its own. I think this all comes down to your own confidence modifying that lock.[/quote] Maybe I should just go to a locksmith and tell him to do something to the fork lock so it will accept an ignition key. |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by verslagen1 on 10/17/12 at 13:08:04 7F414A575A575A380 wrote:
Do you mean the steering lock could be "adjusted" to accept the ignition key?[/quote] If you've ever re-keyed a lock before, you'll have the basics. I haven't taken one these apart, so you'll have to use your own judgement. I'd check 1st to see if the ig key will even fit in this cylinder. Disassemble it down to the cylinder, take a flat hack saw blade and remove all the key lands so a straight key will go in. Widen the slot so the ig key will slip in. Make sure all the burrs are out of the pin holes, clean and deburr well. Then I'd fiddle with at least 1 pin till it will work with the ig key. |
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Title: Re: Gas cap and steering lock keyed alike? Post by Cavi Mike on 10/17/12 at 13:26:09 0B353E232E232E4C0 wrote:
It's not worth it to him. He's not gonna risk the lock getting messed up and the possibility you will run around saying he ruined your lock. This is something you're gonna have to try on your own. |
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