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Message started by Steve6 on 10/02/12 at 16:16:24

Title: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by Steve6 on 10/02/12 at 16:16:24

Have an '06 S40 with about 4500miles and no previous issues or mods (save a backrest). Put the key in the ignition one day and the left turn signal was stuck on. Wont cancel with the switch, and if i turn the right signal on all four signals flash. I decided to take the switch apart assuming it was a short in the switch (already planned on buying a replacement left hand control), but with the switch disasimbled (read cannot be put back together) and no leads touching each other the left turn signal is still flashing away. Any thoughts?

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by Cavi Mike on 10/02/12 at 16:34:33

Short in the wire harness. Either you'll need to open the harness up and find the short or you'll need a new harness.

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/02/12 at 16:37:31

Step ONE,

Stay Calm,, do NOT get frustrated

A 66-year-old man shot himself in both his legs Saturday afternoon while trying to loosen a stubborn lug nut with a 12-gauge shotgun.

Kitsap County sheriff's deputies were called to the residence on the 10800 block of SE Olympiad Drive at 2:57 p.m. after the shooting was reported to 911 emergency dispatchers, said Deputy Scott Wilson, a sheriff's office spokesman.

"Nobody else was there and he wasn't intoxicated," Wilson said.

South Kitsap Fire and Rescue medics treated the man at the scene. He was taken to Tacoma General Hospital. Wilson said his injuries were "severe but not life-threatening."

Deputies at the scene reported the man blasted "double-ought" buckshot at the wheel from "arm's length," Wilson said.

The deputies described the man's legs as "peppered" from his feet to his mid-abdomen with pellets, pieces of the wheel and other debris. Some injuries went as far up as his chin.

The man had been repairing the Lincoln Continental for two weeks, and had removed all the lug nuts on the right rear wheel except for one.

"He's bound and determined to get that lug nut off," Wilson said, who did not know how long the man had been trying to free the lug nut.

The deputies did not take a statement from the man beyond what they were able to gather while he was being treated by medics.

"I don't think he was in any condition to say anything," Wilson said. "The pain was so severe, and the shock."

Ive always wondered what the next step was when a hammer mechanic got to his biggest hammer & that wouldnt get it.

Now, get an ohm meter & trace the hot wire thats feeding the flasher unit. Unhook the battery so ya dont wreck the ohm meter, or, use the Volts scale,

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by SALB on 10/02/12 at 16:42:26

When you say it's stuck on, is it on constant, or is it stuck on flashing?

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/02/12 at 16:52:49

& That is a good question..

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by verslagen1 on 10/02/12 at 17:01:36

You do know that the fronts have running lights? dim are running, bright are turns?

I'd start with the dangling switch wires, heck they're there begin for attention.

Get a VOM and with the key on, wiring diagram in hand, find out which wire should be hot and which should be cold.

pull the bulb out, is it still hot?

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/02/12 at 17:12:19

I wonder if the right side is burned out on the running lite filament..

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by Steve6 on 10/02/12 at 18:53:07

By stuck on I mean flashing continually. I used a multimeter to measure the resistance between the four terminals going into the switch prior to taking it apart. There was minimal resistance between any two of the four terminals (which was puzzling), therefore, I decided to go ahead and disassemble it (per my own curiosity, thinking there might be a short between them in the inner workings of the switch). I'm thinking it could be something in the wiring harness (and will be checking that next).

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by Cavi Mike on 10/02/12 at 19:39:35

46545D560000350 wrote:

...with the switch disasimbled (read cannot be put back together) and no leads touching each other the left turn signal is still flashing away.

If I read this correctly the first time and you meant that all of the leads have been removed from the switch and are connected to nothing but the thin air and you still have a flashing left blinker; there is only one possibility and that is a short inside the harness for the left indicator. It's over-riding the switch.

Now if I read you wrong and the wires are still soldered to the switch, the switch may be at fault.

You'll need to be a bit more specific and post pictures if possible.

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by Cavi Mike on 10/02/12 at 19:47:18

7C6365627F7849794971636F24160 wrote:

I wonder if the right side is burned out on the running lite filament..

And back-feeding the indicator? That wouldn't explain it blinking. The flasher is connected to the switch and only the switch. There's no way for the flasher to be in the circuit until the switch has been turned on unless there is a short.

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by verslagen1 on 10/02/12 at 20:15:14

34262F247272470 wrote:

2 of the wire went to the lights... not much resistance there.
this is for a '03 your 4th wire is probably the eflasher.
http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Circuits/'96-'03_signal_circuit.jpg

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by T-Dawg on 03/07/13 at 01:24:04

Bump for an old thread... ever get this figured out?

I'm having the exact same issue. Out of nowhere my left turn signal stayed flashing and wouldn't cancel. Tried flipping on right turn signal hoping that might cancel it... and now both flash constantly like I have hazard lights on. Pulled the relay for now so I don't look like a jackass driving to work tomorrow.

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by engineer on 03/07/13 at 04:46:12

With both left and right flashing at once I would look for a short in the switch or the connector leading to the switch. I would also look for water in the switch and the harness connector. It seems doubtful that a short in the wires of the harness could manage to connect both the left and right signal to the blinker unit at the same time. Possible with a major pinch in harness somewhere but improbable. Please post the details when you find out what the problem is.

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by WD on 03/07/13 at 07:29:02

Change the flasher relay. Both sides draw current from it via the switch. It's a $9 part at any NAPA, Carquest, etc. Stealership is going to charge you a small fortune for a generic part. Take your stock one into the parts store and match up the terminals. Not likely the problem but...

They do go bad. Can be stuck in a no power or constant power mode. Usually no power, but all it takes is a bit of water to seep in, cause corrosion, and bridge the internals. The bike version is smaller and more weather resistant than the old fashioned car canisters but are still subject to the same issues. Vibration, moisture, poor internal connections, etc.

Are signals required where you live? Down here everybody ignores them, the state dropped the mandate for bike turn signals in 2005, regardless of the model year.

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by Dave on 03/07/13 at 08:32:19

I would suggest taking the tank off, and pulling the connector apart that goes to the handlebar switches one at a time. If the flashing does not stop - then you know that the problem is not in the handlebar control area and must be in the rear harness or flasher.

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by Serowbot on 03/07/13 at 08:42:57

I would shoot it,... with a shotgun....

(better put the wife and the dog in the house first)... :-?...

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by Steve H on 03/07/13 at 14:32:11

I will go along with disconnecting the switch unit at the harness connection. If it's in the harness, you'll still have the flashing. If it's something with the switch, the flashing will stop.

I must admit that I have not followed the wiring on this bike since I've only had mine a couple months. But, don't most handlebar switches connect to the harness in the headlight?

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by Cavi Mike on 03/07/13 at 15:57:13

3526620 wrote:

I'm not sure if you've ever worked on the flasher in this bike but the flasher is always getting and supplying power. The reason the signals aren't on constantly is because the switch on the handlebars is off.

The circuit goes like this:
Battery-> Flasher-> Switch-> Signal-> Ground

If the flasher goes bad there are only two things that can happen:
1) The signals don't blink
2) The signals don't turn on at all

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by Dave on 03/07/13 at 18:18:21

4B50090A0B0C0E01380 wrote:

I must admit that I have not followed the wiring on this bike since I've only had mine a couple months. But, don't most handlebar switches connect to the harness in the headlight?

The Savage headlight is tiny....not any room for extra wires and connectors.

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by verslagen1 on 03/07/13 at 18:21:07

only turn signal connectors are in there, all control switches go straight to the harness under the tank.

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by T-Dawg on 03/07/13 at 23:03:12

So this is pretty frustrating. Pardon my retardation... but why the hell does every wiring connector control the lights? Everything I disconnect, disconnects everything... speedo indicator lights, headlights, brakes, turns.. etc. The only thing that turns off the turn signals only is disconnecting the turn signal relay. This whole system is connected in the most clusterf*cked, confusing mess of BS I've ever seen. /end rant.

Anyway... so yea. everything I disconnect will turn them off. I can run on no turn signals, except for when it comes time for inspection. I'm in Japan, so laws are much different here. I'm thinking it's probably the switch, but I'm terrible with electrical trouble shooting, and I can't find my ohm meter to test things (with results I wouldn't even understand probably).

Anybody have an extra switch laying around? Or know the part number for the relay? Mine is worn down... can't read it.

Title: Re: Left Turn Signal Wont Turn Off
Post by T-Dawg on 03/07/13 at 23:42:24

Btw.. sorry for kind of jacking this thread, haha. But.. our problems are the same... one stop shop.

Anyway. Took headlight apart, and took seat off. Also took apart the switch. Mechanically the switch looks fine.. I think. If I disconnect each turn signal at the bullet connectors.. it will shut each one off individually, as it should. Tried for all 4.

I traced the wires as best as I could.. and none are pinched, frayed, torn, etc. I'll try to find a new relay and get back to you guys.. unless you have better suggestions. I'm not really sure where to start other than that.

Guess I'll have to order a new ohm meter as well, and have you guys help me test for a short (as in what to look for).