SuzukiSavage.com /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Another Petcock bites the dust /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1348755882 Message started by elitemunkeycrew on 09/27/12 at 07:24:42

Title: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by elitemunkeycrew on 09/27/12 at 07:24:42 So here are the symptoms: Slightly sluggish throttle 1st-4th gear. Really Sluggish throttle at 5th and can't get past 55MPH. Throttle sporadically takes off in 5th gear allowing me to reach 60. Troubleshooting: Checked Air Filter. NO GO Tapped Float Bowl. NO GO CHANGED OVER TO RAPTOR 660 PETCOCK.  :) :) :) :) Current status: :) :) :) :D :D ;D ;D ;D 8-) 8-) 8-) My questions as a new owner of a beautiful, wonderful, dazzling petcock. 1) Do I need to switch the petcock to OFF position when parked for 8 hours at work? 2) Does the petcock make the bike idle higher? 3) How do I know if I have fuel in my oil?

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by Dave on 09/27/12 at 07:37:34 444D4855444C544F4A445842534456210 wrote: So here are the symptoms: My questions as a new owner of a beautiful, wonderful, dazzling petcock. 1) Do I need to switch the petcock to OFF position when parked for 8 hours at work? 2) Does the petcock make the bike idle higher? 3) How do I know if I have fuel in my oil? 1)  It would be a good idea to learn to switch the petcock off whenever you park for an extended period.  You may never, ever have a sticky float problem......but it is remotely possible. 2)  The petcock should not affect the idle speed.  Could be the old petcock had a vacuum or fuel leak that the new petcock doesn't. 3)  If the oil level has risen, or the crankcase smells like gasoline...it could have fuel in it.

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by elitemunkeycrew on 09/27/12 at 07:49:00 Dave, Current oil level reads fine but the bike had an oil change right before I bought it. I saw the work order for the oil change. I've only had the bike for 1,989 miles and 4 months.  Would I be better off getting an oil change just to be on the safe side?

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by Arnold on 09/27/12 at 07:51:03 Yes, if the oil is real dirty.

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by elitemunkeycrew on 09/27/12 at 08:02:00 Thanks Arnold. Thanks Dave. I just saved a bunch of money on my motorcycle by switching to Suzuki Savage.com! :D :D :D How much do you supposed I saved if I had taken my motorcycle into dealer and they replaced parts? I need to donate to the site that keeps money in my wallet and out of the dealers hands.

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by youzguyz on 09/27/12 at 08:32:57 79707568797169727779657F6E796B1C0 wrote: How much do you supposed I saved if I had taken my motorcycle into dealer and they replaced parts? I need to donate to the site that keeps money in my wallet and out of the dealers hands. There's a button for that.  Look at the row of buttons at the top of the page!

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by verslagen1 on 09/27/12 at 09:06:17 78717469787068737678647E6F786A1D0 wrote: D I've only had the bike for 1,989 miles and 4 months.   Isn't it time for an oil change anyway? Quote: 1) Do I need to switch the petcock to OFF position when parked for 8 hours at work? Yes Quote: 2) Does the petcock make the bike idle higher? Yes it can, 2 possible reasons, more consistent bowl fill, or vacuum leaks. Quote: 3) How do I know if I have fuel in my oil? The level is higher than the last time you looked at it?  yeah, you should check every day.

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by elitemunkeycrew on 09/27/12 at 11:29:37 :( :( :( I went out for lunch today and a for several seconds 5th was sluggish again. i WOULDN'T CLIMB PAST 50mph. I let off the throttle some they gave it gas and it was fine. What going on here? The throttle turns all the way and the half moon shape on the carb turn all the way. Any ideas?

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by Arnold on 09/27/12 at 11:37:17 Starving for fuel, bad fuel/air mix? Nothing is clogging the gas tank cap venting? Dirty jet possibly? Do you get backfiring? Does it always idle normally?

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by youzguyz on 09/27/12 at 11:38:20 4B42475A4B435B40454B574D5C4B592E0 wrote: :( :( :( I went out for lunch today and a for several seconds 5th was sluggish again. i WOULDN'T CLIMB PAST 50mph. I let off the throttle some they gave it gas and it was fine. What going on here? The throttle turns all the way and the half moon shape on the carb turn all the way. Any ideas? Not one you are going to like.. I had a similar problem.  It acted like there was a "sweet spot" on the throttle position where it would finally get up and go.. sometimes. Mine turned out to be very fine cracks in the diaphragm at the top of the slide in the carb. It would flex, leak vacuum, and the slide would drop. The only way to find out if that is your problem is to pull the slide. refer to http://www.bikebandit.com/2002-suzuki-savage-650-ls650p/o/m147696#sch243515 #2 is the slide assembly.  The top funnel shaped part is the rubber diaphragm.

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by elitemunkeycrew on 09/27/12 at 11:43:31 Starving for fuel, bad fuel/air mix?   How do I check bad fuel air mix? Nothing is clogging the gas tank cap venting? I took apart the gas cap and I can't tell if it's clogged. One side had a silver ball rattling around the other seemed like a light colored filter or something. Dirty jet possibly? How do I clean jets? Do you get backfiring? a little sputter when I decelerate. Does it always idle normally? It's been idling a little higher since the new petcock. Is it mechanic time?

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by verslagen1 on 09/27/12 at 11:53:08 3A33362B3A322A31343A263C2D3A285F0 wrote: So here are the symptoms: Slightly sluggish throttle 1st-4th gear. Really Sluggish throttle at 5th and can't get past 55MPH. Throttle sporadically takes off in 5th gear allowing me to reach 60. I would say you have a sticky slide. you can try seafoam or a carb clean.

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by Arnold on 09/27/12 at 11:56:51 Cap vent clogged would do that every time if it was clogged, at higher rpms, creates a vacuum in the tank making it difficult for the fuel to get out of the tank fast enough. Not sure it can happen with stock tank, mine is long gone. Could be a vacuum leak somewhere. If you are comfortable disassembling the carb and clean it all up, jets and bowl. Also wouldnt hurt to look at the plug, it will tell you if the bike is running too lean or too rich, throw a new plug in while you're at it.

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by elitemunkeycrew on 09/27/12 at 12:02:35 Vers, What's a sticky slide? I've never taken apart a carb before.

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by Arnold on 09/27/12 at 12:19:43 The cylinder inside your carb that houses the jet needle.

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by Oldfeller on 09/27/12 at 12:21:45   A $140 repair part from Bike Bandit if the diaphragm has a hole in it (hope yours is just gummy acting and needs for the hole and the slide to be carefully cleaned).

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by elitemunkeycrew on 09/27/12 at 12:27:35 47646C6E6D64646D7A080 wrote:   A $140 repair part from Bike Bandit if the diaphragm has a hole in it (hope yours is just gummy acting and needs for the hole and the slide to be carefully cleaned). Do you suggest sea foam first before taking on uncharted territory? I've never purchased Sea Foam but I'm guessing Auto Zone or the like will carry it? Do I follow directions on the Sea Foam or is there a recommend fuel mixing ratio?

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by Arnold on 09/27/12 at 12:35:57 Yes, the recommended ratio is on the bottle, doesnt have to be that precise, not a science, Autozone carries it. I throw some in there every once in a while myself.

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by elitemunkeycrew on 09/27/12 at 12:46:21 Thanks Arnold. I'll try some of these suggestions over the next couple of days and get reply my result. Fingers crossed it's something simple.

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by Arnold on 09/27/12 at 12:50:24 Most likely, fuel delivery not as bad as electrical issue. Let us know what you find.

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by elitemunkeycrew on 09/28/12 at 17:19:28 After new air filter and new petcock I was still having issue with sluggish throttle after 5th gear. After some good advice from Serowbot I took apart the carb and cleaned it out. So far so good but it's been raining and I couldn't get her past 60MPH safely. Hopefully tomorrow will be a clear day so I can take her out on the road and really open her up and put her through the paces. Finger crossed again.

Title: Re: Another Petcock bites the dust Post by elitemunkeycrew on 10/10/12 at 10:11:16 After some sound advice from some users and special instructions from Serowbot I cleaned my carb all by myself and on a scale from 1-10 my mechanical skills are about a 3. Here some video of the whole ordeal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9mCtzThqYY&feature=plcp It's been a couple weeks now and so far so good. Let just see how she holds up.

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