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Title: The War On Religion Post by Starlifter on 09/08/12 at 13:50:32 Mitt Romney continues to attack President Obama for policies he supported as governor of Massachusetts with a new ad Thursday morning that accuses the administration of waging “a war on religion.” You want to know what a war on religion is? Ask the guy who shot up the Sikh Temple. Ask the guy who shot up the Unitarians in Tennessee. Ask the guy who shot Dr. Tiller in church. That's a f*cking war on religion, and it's being waged by the right. Take This Quiz: "How to Determine if Your Religious Liberty Is Being Threatened in Just 10 Quick Questions." Just pick "A" or "B" for each question. 1. My religious liberty is at risk because: A) I am not allowed to go to a religious service of my own choosing. B) Others are allowed to go to religious services of their own choosing. 2. My religious liberty is at risk because: A) I am not allowed to marry the person I love legally, even though my religious community blesses my marriage. B) Some states refuse to enforce my own particular religious beliefs on marriage on those two guys in line down at the courthouse. 3. My religious liberty is at risk because: A) I am being forced to use birth control. B) I am unable to force others to not use birth control. 4. My religious liberty is at risk because: A) I am not allowed to pray privately. B) I am not allowed to force others to pray the prayers of my faith publicly. 5. My religious liberty is at risk because: A) Being a member of my faith means that I can be bullied without legal recourse. B) I am no longer allowed to use my faith to bully gay kids with impunity. 6. My religious liberty is at risk because: A) I am not allowed to purchase, read or possess religious books or material. B) Others are allowed to have access books, movies and websites that I do not like. 7. My religious liberty is at risk because: A) My religious group is not allowed equal protection under the establishment clause. B) My religious group is not allowed to use public funds, buildings and resources as we would like, for whatever purposes we might like. 8. My religious liberty is at risk because: A) Another religious group has been declared the official faith of my country. B) My own religious group is not given status as the official faith of my country. 9. My religious liberty is at risk because: A) My religious community is not allowed to build a house of worship in my community. B) A religious community I do not like wants to build a house of worship in my community. 10. My religious liberty is at risk because: A) I am not allowed to teach my children the creation stories of our faith at home. B) Public school science classes are teaching science. Scoring key: If you answered "A" to any question, then perhaps your religious liberty is indeed at stake. You and your faith group have every right to now advocate for equal protection under the law. But just remember this one little, constitutional, concept: this means you can fight for your equality -- not your superiority. If you answered "B" to any question, then not only is your religious liberty not at stake, but there is a strong chance that you are oppressing the religious liberties of others. This is the point where I would invite you to refer back to the tenets of your faith, especially the ones about your neighbors. Rreligious liberty quize by Rev. Emily C. Heath **************************************************** There's nothing wrong with having religious or spiritual convictions, by the way. There IS something wrong, however, with using said convictions for the purpose of political and social oppression. I guess some people, namely Mitt Romney and his right-wing supporters, can't tell the difference. |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by bill67 on 09/08/12 at 14:32:06 First human remains were found in Africa,God made man after his own image,God must of been black. Oh wait,The garden of eden is in Iraq,So which is god black or Iraqian. |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Paraquat on 09/08/12 at 14:46:54 002732213F3A35273621530 wrote:
There is something wrong with having religious convictions... it's just plain stupid. Honestly, I mean this with all sincerity, do you think a bearded, robed, self illuminating figure will descend from the Heavens? We are created in His image? We are flawed, weak, violent, scared, greedy. If this were a science project I'd at least find the humanity and decency to pull the plug on it. --Steve |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Starlifter on 09/08/12 at 18:55:18 Yes Steve, I now do subscribe to your religious or rather your non-religious philosophy 100%. Are we created in "his image"?...ha ha, what an anthropomorphic vision of the realty of the universe and the laws of physics that govern it....laughable. There is no God, just us. A violent nasty species of hairless apes who are only happy when we kill each other, or other animals, or other races, or other religions, or other cultures, or whatever else is available to kill, or maim, or torture. A gracious, forgiving, all powerful God the father who watches over us from up in the sky, who is kindly and loving, and yet allows unspeakable disease's and horrors to befall little girls, or baby boys, or saintly adults, while the truly wicked go unpunished? What utter bullshlt religion is!! Religion is the greatest perpetrator of war and hate the world has ever known. Even here on this board we try to civilly hate each other, but because we have this one common interest, our SS bikes, we try to get along... Here is a verse for believers or non-believers alike, it's very profound, and very cool either way. Forever Alone: The sky is deep, the sky is dark, The light of stars are cold and stark. When I look up, I fill with fear. If all we have is what lies here. This lonely world, this troubled place, the cold dead stars and empty space... I see not why to persevere, nor why to laugh or shed a tear, nor why to sleep or ever wake, no promises to keep and none to make. And so at night I raise my eyes to study the cold mysterious skies-- that arch above us, cold as stone. Are you there God? …….or are we alone? - Book of Common Sorrows |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Serowbot on 09/08/12 at 21:59:26 Atheism,... it explains,.. a lot... Fastest growing religion in the civilised world... Atheism never be disappoints... Life is too short,.. no doubt... ... but, it's nice to know you're not stuck for all eternity... Three score and ten, just ain't long enough... I think I could go 400 to 600 pleasurable years... before I was voluntarily done... ... but, eternity,... defines torture... I wish I could save my last two weeks, and stop in to visit for an hour, every 20 years or so... Even then,... I'd probably be done in 5 or 10 visits... :-?... |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by WebsterMark on 09/09/12 at 07:07:29 Guess we'll all find out for sure one day. |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Paraquat on 09/09/12 at 07:08:34 382E39243C29243F4B0 wrote:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mpBGa4P5jUo/S9L0Y_RoJ0I/AAAAAAAAEko/2UlU_0gP9BM/s400/startrektwoviewofgod.jpg Maybe if we just fly around in space long enough we will find "God". "One might ask, "What does God need with animal sacrifice? With a human sacrifice? With a catastrophic flood? With billions of galaxies and trillions of stars and millions of unstoppably destructive black holes? What does God need with congenital diseases and a planet made of shifting plates that cause earthquakes and tsunamis? Isn't the whole point of omnipotence that God could make a good world without all these needlessly silly or harmful phenomena?" Moreover, why should humans obey the commands of someone as capricious, jealous, petty, and violent as the God of the Jewish scriptures?" How could anyone look at the big picture, all the advancements made, all the scientific discoveries, and still believe that mumbo jumbo from so many countless years ago. Don't get me wrong, some of the ideals are alright, but most of it is just silly nonsense. The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which will last forever. Anatole France --Steve |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Starlifter on 09/09/12 at 16:39:54 "Guess we'll all find out for sure one day." WM No you won't find out anything at all because once you die you will instantly be in totally oblivion. You know of course that the universe as we know it has been in existence for some 15 billion years or so. ...Now where were you, and what were you doing for those past 15 billion years? You were no where and you did nothing because you did not exist, just as you will no longer exist post death. Now for those who believe in Heaven & Hell, please explain what your job or whatever will be in either place for all eternity? |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by WebsterMark on 09/09/12 at 19:35:22 l instantly be in totally oblivion Sorry, but I will know you for all eternity so you might as well start getting use to the idea..... |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by WD on 09/13/12 at 08:44:04 1.n/a 6.n/a 2.n/a 7.A 3.n/a 8.n/a 4.n/a 9.A 5.n/a 10.n/a I'm used to it. Not all that many places in Dixie where pagans can openly gather, let alone established facilities where practicing skyclad is allowable. Whack job neighbor was informed that we would be building a nudist church on the property (just yanking his chain since I'm not allowed to shoot him). He said he'd move away the day we broke ground for it... Lisa and I are both ordained clergy... ;) |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by srinath on 09/13/12 at 13:25:56 I have pics to prove this I swear ... And it may explain why all the religious imagery has been created the way it has been and why its a big deal in the bible belt. Some time in 2003-04 I took a picture of a huge cloud pattern with an image patern that looked like jesus as portrayed by Charlton Hesston complete with beard and long flowing hair, in the foregound, and in the background above that face was a face that looked an awful lot like the old napster logo albeit with larger horns. I have never seen clouds like that before I moved to NC. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by mpescatori on 09/21/12 at 02:40:17 2B2A3136392C30580 wrote:
This is a bronze statue of S.Peter in the Vatican Basilica... http://www.vaticanotours.com/g/san-pietro.jpg WAIT ! NO IT'S NOT !!! :o THAT is a statue of ZEUS taken from the Pantheon and moved to S.Peters' Basilica ! :-? The Pantheon was a Roman (=pagan) temple which housed the statues of ALL Deities; it was cleared of the statues, the ones surviving are now in the Vatican Museums. Only the statue of Zeus was modified by an Italian bronze smelter and placed within the Vatican Basilica. If you look closely, you wioll realize something is just not right: - the wallpaper behind the statue is bears exactly the symbology used in Middle Eastern temples for the god Baal - the halo on top of St.Peter's head is NOT a halo (should be vertical or slanted) it is a horizontal SUN DISK - the fingers of the right hand are open in the three-fingered fashion used by Romans and Greeks, not by the Church (who use the open hand) for the blessing of the worshippers - the statue's legs and feet are slanted as if it were originally sitting on another kind of throne - clearly not the stone chair he is sitting on now. :-? |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/22/12 at 21:58:16 Dang, Row,, thats interesting! David Icke does some interesting stuff on corporate symbols & he has a load of videos out. He is fun to listen to. Got some way whack ideas about some things, really hard to get my head around some of them, some, hey, Ive actually Thot of,, like the tiny spectrum we actually see,, |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Retread on 09/23/12 at 07:58:49 The truth of it all, Jesus was either gay, or a large Black woman... When she returns, she will be pissed! The world you are living in NOW is hell.. Who ever our creator is has a warped sense of humor, and has abandoned us, we had better adopt that same humor or we all will be subjected to a real hell on earth, Republican control.. ;D |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Serowbot on 09/23/12 at 08:44:55 647B7D7A6760516151697B773C0E0 wrote:
Yup,.. it sure is... ..bit it was Pesci that said it, not me... ;)... 60574640575356320 wrote:
Oprah?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Paraquat on 09/23/12 at 11:32:20 586F7E786F6B6E0A0 wrote:
http://www.memecreator.net/philosoraptor/showimage.php/1038/If-God-was-a-woman-Wouldn't-we-all-be-sandwiches%3F.jpg --Steve |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by mpescatori on 09/24/12 at 05:39:06 0D3A2B2D3A3E3B5F0 wrote:
Well He/She's got to have a ludicrous sense of humor, considering... http://www.enchantedlearning.com/pgifs/Platypus_bw.GIF the platypus http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01016/SNN0239A_682_1016889a.jpg the giant underwater louse http://files.sharenator.com/vamp_RE_Worlds_strangest_looking_animals-s360x247-2300-580.jpg the vampire squid http://files.sharenator.com/Thornydevil_RE_Worlds_strangest_looking_animals-s768x545-2294-580.jpg the thorny devil http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd138/subzero9285/Sub/YetiCrab.jpg the hairy yeti crab http://www.factzoo.com/sites/all/img/blog/vampire-bat-screech.jpg the vampire bat http://www.buamai.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/0616_jackson.jpg "One size fits all" ;D |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Starlifter on 09/24/12 at 20:46:57 ( Webster doesn't know what 'snip' or 'source': means) and so raves and rants that I am plagiarizing someone else's thoughts when I post excerpts.) <snip> Mitt Romney is now saying that if he is elected president, he will emphasize the role of God in American society and will not "take God out of the public square." But that raises the question as to whose God will have a role in American society. Although I am now a Realist I was raised Jewish in a society where most people were Christians. From a Christian perspective they looked at themselves as Judaism 2.0. While keeping the Old Testament they added a New Testament which superseded Judaism. The added Jesus and the Holy Spirit. From a Jewish perspective Christianity was an unauthorized sequel. These new Gods were not our Gods. Mitt Romney however is a Mormon and the Mormons have a Third Testament to the Bible. Mormons see themselves as Christianity 2.0 and Judaism 3.0. It also has the advantage of being "Made in America". Perhaps Christians can appreciate what it's like when another religion writes an unauthorized sequel. The Book of Mormon is very different than the New Testament just as the New Testament is very different than the Old Testament. It's not the same religion. That's why Mormons come to Christian homes to try to convert Christians to Mormons. Mitt Romney isn't just a Mormon, he's a Bishop in the Mormon Church. During the Vietnam War era Romney spent years living in France as a missionary converting European Christians to Mormons. So when Romney says that he will emphasize the role of God in American society, what does he really mean? If Romney is putting God on the table shouldn't we at least ask Romney what God he's talking about? |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by mpescatori on 09/25/12 at 04:31:21 I will not delve into matters regarding the Presidential elections, but may I say this: Any "Book-thumping" Head of State is either a Pope, or an Ayatollah, or a Lama... ...or he's doing the wrong job. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kDLBqDNBMEo/S72rpg3vnSI/AAAAAAAAAWo/u0pjtQ_5EMQ/s400/Papa+Wojtyla.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B1_%D8%AE%D9%85%DB%8C%D9%86%DB%8C.jpg/220px-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B1_%D8%AE%D9%85%DB%8C%D9%86%DB%8C.jpghttp://www.meditare.it/images/foto_maestri_old/dalai-lama-01.jpghttp://realdoctorstu.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/confused.jpg |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by mbowman68 on 10/03/12 at 06:55:47 hey starlifter i just wanted to correct a couple of issues first of al the name Mormon is a nickname given by others we are members of the church of Jesus christ of latter day saints or LDS so as the name mentions we are christians the book of mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. Just an FYI |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by mpescatori on 10/04/12 at 07:18:28 282C2E20272A3228242B747C737D450 wrote:
I have read (parts of) the Book of Mormon, and fail to see where you have the claim to call yourselves "Christian", considering that : 1) Jesus - pronounced "yeh-soos" - is a Latin name; the Alglosaxons pronounce the name "Gee-soos" because they can't read Latin 2) Christ is the amputation of the Greek "Christòs", meaning "anointed" (Jesus was baptized by St.John in the River Jordan) There is also a similar word "KRST" in Egyptian, which meant essentially the same as "Christ" but referred to Horus, the son of Osiris, the Father God... ...sound familiar ? Feel jelous ? You shouldn't, really, KRST is quite a few thousands of years older than Christ. Considering that "the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" claims to originate from the teachings of the Golden Leaves - or Golden Tablets (never to be exhibited to the unbeliever... :-?) (but, do they still exist) may I, as a Roman Catholic with 2000 years of documented history kindly comment that the average European sees you gentlemen - as well as the Jehovas' Witnesses - as a extravagant eccentricity of the New Continent. I do not dismiss the hypothesis that the Son of God may well have preached elsewhere - the Incas were Monotheistic and practiced Communion, yet the Spanish Conquistadores forced them to convert to Christianity. :P What I do dismiss is that the preaching in the New World was done according to the names given in the Old World. It just doesn't add up. Had Jesus preached in... Scandinavia... he would have called himself Olaf, not Jesus again... And if I sound obnoxious and arrogant, it's because I am defending my own Religion and my own Holy Scriptures from plagiarism... if you don't mind. |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Retread on 10/04/12 at 07:49:49 I think Jesus may have been one of the biggest hoaxes ever played on mankind.. |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by mpescatori on 10/05/12 at 01:53:48 16213036212520440 wrote:
You have a point. See this website http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_33.htm Some of what it says is quite obvious in Europe, where cathedrals and abbeys are often 800, 1000 years old. Some of what it says is just as obvious to those who studied ancient history well enough to understand Greeks, Egyptians, Babylonians were monotheistic, with one Father God figure, the "rest of the gods" being a pantheon no more, no less than the plethora of Saints, Apostles, Madonnas etc. you find in Catholicism and Orthodoxism. Most Protestant denominations turned iconoclastic, i.e. destroyed any and all figurative art there was, and prohibited any more. They are often the ones who then fall prey to the "Preacher of the Day", TV Bible thumpers etc., they have no figurative reference available. Ironically, among iconoclasts one will find Islam and Judaism, and guess what? Along with the two mainstream currents one finds a vast underworld of local currents, from the secular Jews of Birobidzhan (Google it, you'll be surprised) to the Ahmadiyya Muslims (pacifists who follow a 19th century Prophet, considered a heretic by mainstream Sunnis) Just go and see how many currents there are within Buddhism... What I cannot, will not accept is that someone will come up with a bright idea one sunny day, invent his own religion and claim to be entitled to plagiarising somebodyelse's symbols and figures. Else, I will go, buy a little island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, hoist a yellow, green and purple "Stars&Stripes", call my city "Wishingwell" and claim to be the Promised Land for the disgruntled everywhere... ... you wouldn't like it, would you ? I hope you see my point... |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/06/12 at 22:25:58 First, I can attest to Jesus Not being a hoax. I wasnt raised in a "Christian" household. If I heard someone say "God", it was followed by darn,,& at age 3, I had an experience that ( Tho I didnt realize it till I was 21, when I remembered it. & NO, it wasnt a False memory. I asked my mom & she remembered that day) changed my life & proves God & in particular Jesus to me. Ive had prayer answered, a few times, I know, beyong any doubt, Jesus is real, There Is a God. & No, I dont have all the answers. I dont even have all the questions. But I know That one, Ive been avoiding this thread. Then I saw Pesci had replied & I like reading what he says, so, I came, I read, I learned some stuff, as usual., Good post, Pesci. |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Doug B on 10/16/12 at 10:54:15 The prevalent religion in our country(and now the world-since it was forced upon them) is Christianity and it is certainly the last of the major religions invented by man it was definitely forced onto me, but by 9th grade it no longer made sense the various religions think they're right and all of the others are wrong most people believe in a religion because that is how they were raised(programmed/brainwashed), let alone the major flaws within the bible itself. Many religions(Greek,Roman) at some point in time were even relegated as mythology How long will it be before "its" referred to as "Christian Mythology" ? |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Serowbot on 10/16/12 at 11:46:00 747B72100 wrote:
Now,... I refer to it as a mythology... many people do... ... and I don't mean it as a disrespect... I like mythology... :-?... |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Doug B on 10/16/12 at 17:06:42 No one really "knows" how could they ? we can only rely on our experiences and our logic/reasoning skills to interpret things I like almost all of what JOG has to say on other topics although I don't agree with his beliefs regarding religion - I respect them/him this is a very sensitive subject to most and I hope that people will open their mind to other possibilities |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Serowbot on 10/16/12 at 18:12:04 I don't understand how people can know Jesus is real... I mean, even if you've had prayers answered, or heard his voice,... how do you know it was him?... 'Cause he said so?... There are atheists that have been cured of cancer miraculously... or survived accidents or trauma's... and they simply credit, good luck... ... but, if you just can't possibly attribute it to luck,.. and it must be divine intervention,... how do you know it was your god?... and not Allah,.. or Vishnu,.. or Buddha, or Isis, or even Satan?... Supernaturals rarely carry I.D.... and if they did, they're gods.. I'm sure they could fake one... :-?... |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/16/12 at 18:13:55 Had I not had an experience that simply doesnt allow me the luxury of deciding whether or not there was a Jesus, I wonder what I would believe. It sure isnt from teaching by authority figures or from exposure to Christians showing me how their lives just work out better or theyre happier or healthier,, best I can tell, the worlds most evil people live the best lives, "best" being measured in purely Worldly ways, more $$, more stuff, health, heck, look at David Rockefeller, George Soros, Ted Turner, Bill Gates, IMO, each is as evil as can be, & thyere just Doin FINE,, & I see people who really live their lives in as Biblically correct a way as they can & they have HELL.. Kids with problems, health issues, $$ troubles, they dont get off light, so, How it all "works" leaves me astounded,, BUT,, I KNow what happened, & there is NO way I can know what happened that day & NOT believe Jesus walked on Earth. It affected my life in a huge way, not in a good way, but, it gave me one thing, it gave me more than faith, it gave me certainty. & THAT scares me, because I dont live right, I know it, & knowing what I know, how can I live a life of rebellion? Im probably in a lot of trouble,, I just hope not, |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Serowbot on 10/16/12 at 18:32:51 7D6264637E7948784870626E25170 wrote:
... but,.. maybe it was Allah... they are both Arabic,.. more than a thousand years old,.. capable of miracles,... and wear robes... Neither one,.. has a photo ID... :-?... |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/16/12 at 18:36:08 Nope,, man on a cross type event,. |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Doug B on 10/16/12 at 20:53:50 We've all heard accounts of those who have had an "experience" or an "event" that convinced them of something divine in nature I can't relate to that However, I know of some who would bet their life that they saw the Virgin Mary in a street sign seems ridiculous to me the physical sciences(physics and chemistry) do a tremendous job of explaining the world around us but not all is explained |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by Doug B on 10/16/12 at 21:15:15 I had an incident in 1976-77(8th grade) that changed my way of thinking to this day I was at a friend's house and in the spare bedroom was plywood with a variety of odd-looking lights mounted to it I asked his dad about some one, he said, was a lifetime light bulb I said if companies could make a light bulb that wouldn't burn out thats all we would have he said no they are specially made and marketed for those who have lights in hard to reach places or high security areas he also said that manufacturers could make all bulbs this way(thicker filaments) but don't because this would drastically reduce all sales in the future(bulbs are designed to only last a certain short lifetime) I said "but, thats crazy" he said "ya, it is" from that point on I have always questioned everything including religion :-? |
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Title: Re: The War On Religion Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/16/12 at 23:08:16 I was 3,, |
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