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Message started by Drifter on 08/21/12 at 05:42:33

Title: OHIO 2012 Pa and Fla...UPDATE Good News!
Post by Drifter on 08/21/12 at 05:42:33

Anyone notice what they are doing with voter suppression?  First it was letting republican leaning counties have extra days and hours to vote, dem counties which have a far larger number of people get less days and hours,  reason no money? :-?

Then they ended voting the last 3 days before the election except for active military......again no money?

And yesterday the gov, spokesman said we dont have to contort the voting to appease the Blacks......do these idiots think its only blacks and dems that vote the last 3 days??    Is that a racist statement?

The voter id law helps also, just like pa and fla. Total BS!

Makes me wonder what decade im living in.....what is next poll taxes, no women are allowed to vote.... if you dont belong to the right. church your a witch.....science is not real......i thought we moved on..... :-/

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/12 at 13:36:19

How many people who are hooked into society well enough to care to vote dont have an ID? How do they get utilities turned on? Get a Library card? How can anyone survive in society w/o some ID?
The hyperbole is pretty funny..

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Serowbot on 08/21/12 at 16:25:30


2A353334292E1F2F1F27353972400 wrote:
How many people who are hooked into society well enough to care to vote dont have an ID?

The Rep's are hoping enough to sway an election... and they might just do it...

You may not be able to imagine the how's and why's of people without the necessary mandated ID's... but, the fact is, they are there... and they are being targeted...

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by WebsterMark on 08/21/12 at 18:30:53

You may not be able to imagine the how's and why's of people without the necessary mandated ID's... but, the fact is, they are there... and they are being targeted...

sorry, just not true.

besides, let's assume it's true. without photo ID, how could you get a home loan? Where's your outrage of the violations of fair lending acts? How about it's buried deep down because it doesn't matter in elections.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by srinath on 08/21/12 at 20:15:34

Acceptable forms of ID for a home loan vs voting in an election are vastly different.
I got a home loan as a non resident, easy peasy, and since house values were always going up and I wasn't going to jump onto a boat with my house and the land it stood on ... it was pretty nonchalant of them to hand me a loan ...

Voting ... 10 years later and a 2 inch thick stack of papers later I am a citizen and its vastly different ...

It is possible that someone has a house and a loan on that house, and still dont have papers needed to vote ... inspite of being eligible to vote.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/12 at 21:19:00

The %age of Eligible Voters who actually vote is low.

The %age of people w/o ID is low.

The %age of eligible voters w/o ID is low AND the %age of them who would actually vote is low.
Mountain/Molehill...

& who says theyre mostly dems, anyway?

This is just a huge smokescreen,,IMO

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Serowbot on 08/21/12 at 22:53:39


637C7A7D60675666566E7C703B090 wrote:
The %age of Eligible Voters who actually vote is low.
100 million, ballpark
The %age of people w/o ID is low.
don't know
The %age of eligible voters w/o ID is low AND the %age of them who would actually vote is low.
Estimated at 5 million in the affected states
Mountain/Molehill...
enough to sway the election
& who says theyre mostly dems, anyway?
Republicans do... Dems agree...

This is just a huge smokescreen,,IMO
Smokescreen for what?...

Well, yes... it's to "prevent voter fraud"... that's the smokescreen...
It's to suppress Dem votes and steal the election for Romney...  

JOG,.. you are the exception.. in that you have already lost... you don't care which side wins... but you should...  
If for no other reason than caring that the Constitution says so...
Our votes should matter... and suppression of those votes for political gain is illegal, and unconstitutional...
Read the "Big C", JOG...
It supports things you believe in,.. and maybe some you don't...  or you don't seem to...

This is being done a dozen different ways, in a dozen different states... but, all by Republicans...  
Can you seriously imagine that it doesn't affect Demo voters predominately?...

You should be ashamed,.. and burn all your copies of the Constitution...
You don't support it,.. you only use it, to support you...
You are being a hypocrite...

The right to vote, and have it be counted, is the most important right Americans have... it's for all the people, whether you agree with them or not...
It protects all the other rights...
... and you're blowing it off... because RP already lost...
What if this were being done to make RP lose?....


Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/12 at 23:38:32

I just dont see it as a big deal, Why is it assumed that the people w/o ID are Dems? How is that even reasonable? Seems like some kinda assumption to me,,

What part of the C says people should be able to vote & not have to show they have the right to vote? No one is asking them to pay anything, IDs are offered for free in most places,
& I stand by my last post, theres a WHOLE lotta whinin over Very Few people even POssibly being inconvenienced. If going to get an ID is such a horrible thing to do to be able to

What?

Participate in one of lifes great events??

& one point ya make is absolutely correct, Everyone should be able to vote & have it count.. Everyone CAN vote,, its not that hard to meet the minimum requirements that would make everyones vote  equal. As is, there are ways to use the system & make some peoples votes not count, because some cheat. I find it a bit , ohh, whats that word? Ohh, yea,, Hyp[ocritical that the same people who hyperventilate over how others choose to live because it mite expose them to some economic risk, are somehow unable to see how MY vote can be cancelled by people voting fraudulently..
Im done with this, its just not that big of a deal, its a smokescreen,
Unless someone shows me where in the C I should be able to see how asking for verification that a voter IS the person they say they are is wrong,

& FWIW, I have exactly Zero faith in the vote counting system,,

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by WebsterMark on 08/22/12 at 04:17:38

The %age of eligible voters w/o ID is low AND the %age of them who would actually vote is low.
Estimated at 5 million in the affected states


I'm from Missouri, show me. I don't believe that number.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Drifter on 08/22/12 at 05:30:28

When did voting get turned into a priviledge and not a right ...soon after the tbag movement thats when!

A congressman from pa said on camera....the voter id law will give the election to romney....as did another one from ohio..they said it not me!!

Look at ohio for what possible reason other than BLOCKING votes would you allow more time in red counties and LESS time in blue counties....there is none. They plan to win any way possible if rigging the stystem is the only way so be it.  Scary pshit really...where does this road lead..... :o

The gov. approved id is just one of many ways they have figured out to swing the election, changing dates times WHERE you are allowed to vote etc. what gets me is this allowed to vote BS i have a right to vote  >:(

The land of akin...that explains it.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Retread on 08/26/12 at 22:11:54

A solution to a non-problem, ten cases of voter fraud last election cycle, TEN in the WHOLE USA! Wow! We need to cure that major problem don't we?

 Yes, some people do not have picture ID, they do not have cars, they are the aged, the poor, and minoritys mostly. They most likely would vote democrat, they are on the voter rolls, unless they are purged, like in Florida.. The states that are changing their voter laws, purging voters, all have something in common, they have a Republican majority!!!! If voter fraud was taking place, why didn't they address the problem right after the last election cycle, why wait until three months till the Presidential election???  

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Drifter on 08/27/12 at 04:45:59

I think the plan is to get past this one election cycle, because it is a real important one with all the supreme court judges appointed by the next pres. all of this illegal stuff is to make sure they win by rigging the system voter intimidation voter id or what ever it takes. I forgot to add the computers and program to count votes......are owned by a tbagger!

One day this BS will come back and bite us white people in the ass what goes around comes around. So many are filled with hate they cant see past nov 6th.... :-?


Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/12 at 05:33:27

A congressman from pa said on camera....the voter id law will give the election to romney....as did another one from ohio..they said it not me!!
What congressmen said these things?

Scary pshit really...where does this road lead
wait a second, historically it's always the Democrats who cheat and steal votes in elections. Skirting election laws is practically a social event here in St. Louis.

Land of Akin; that's funny. Right next to the land of Lincoln.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/12 at 05:37:21

Yes, some people do not have picture ID
Where is your false outrage over these groups being disenfranchised in getting loans, flying on a plane or the million other things you need a voter ID for.

If voter fraud was taking place, why didn't they address the problem right after the last election cycle, why wait until three months till the Presidential election???
do you keep up with anything? This has been an ongoing issue for the past 4 years. They want it done before the election because, as said before, Democrats are well known cheaters when it comes to elections.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/12 at 05:40:29

One day this BS will come back and bite us white people in the ass what goes around comes around. So many are filled with hate they cant see past nov 6th....

yea, good idea Drifter; let's not treat people based on the content of their character, but rather on the color of their skin. Nice thinking....
This is why we need photo ID laws, cause you guys will promise minorities anything as long as they show up and vote which they will do by the bus loads and as often as possible. In the end, you'll not do anything to help them other than more handouts so they stay put down and doing what you say. Good plan...

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Drifter on 08/27/12 at 06:11:20

Just so happens white people are making all these new rules and changes, that is a fact. OHIO is making it a race issue by making it harder for blue counties to vote and easier for red/white counties.

Many people white and black born in the 30s 40s 50s and even 60s never had a birth certificate new rules say that is the only way to get a Valid republican approved id. Many many of these folks have other forms of id and are well know to be American. This crap is for ONLY 1 reason. to block Americans from voting. There are lots of white folks with no ids also.

What is going to happen in the not so distant future when we are minorities....what goes around comes around.

This kind of BS is bad for the country!

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by tarkm812 on 08/27/12 at 06:28:19

Anybody who's ID cannot be verified should not be allowed to vote. All who say this is unfair because of whatever BS reason should step up and help these "legal residents" get the required ID. This is not rocket science. No ID, no vote. Get off your butt and get the ID and there are no more questions. Unless there are other reasons that are fraudulant, why is this not obvious?

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Retread on 08/27/12 at 06:55:41

  Its voter suppression, plain and simple, has nothing to do with voter fraud.. Some of these people have voted in the same communitys for 70 years, they are known by all.. Go to a drivers license office for an ID, in my state the average wait is three hours, much of that wait is standing up, ask a little old lady to stand in line for three hours?  >:(

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by LostArtist on 08/27/12 at 07:24:40


655750414657407F534059320 wrote:
A congressman from pa said on camera....the voter id law will give the election to romney....as did another one from ohio..they said it not me!!
What congressmen said these things?

Scary pshit really...where does this road lead
wait a second, historically it's always the Democrats who cheat and steal votes in elections. Skirting election laws is practically a social event here in St. Louis.

Land of Akin; that's funny. Right next to the land of Lincoln.


[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8[/media]

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/12 at 07:26:31

Many people white and black born in the 30s 40s 50s and even 60s never had a birth certificate new rules say that is the only way to get a Valid republican approved id

Buxx Shxx. Government issued ID. Republican approved?.... ha ha
How do these people do anything without a photo ID?

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/12 at 07:27:35

Go to a drivers license office for an ID, in my state the average wait is three hours, much of that wait is standing up

oh please..... how many excuses can you come up with to steal an election?...

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/12 at 07:30:18

Turzai is a local state rep, so what? Do you want me to find the completely stupid insane crap local state reps say who are dems and apply that to Dems nationally?
I thought you meant someone important said something....

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by LostArtist on 08/27/12 at 07:42:38


695B5C4D4A5B4C735F4C553E0 wrote:
Yes, some people do not have picture ID
Where is your false outrage over these groups being disenfranchised in getting loans, flying on a plane or the million other things you need a voter ID for.

If voter fraud was taking place, why didn't they address the problem right after the last election cycle, why wait until three months till the Presidential election???
do you keep up with anything? This has been an ongoing issue for the past 4 years. They want it done before the election because, as said before, Democrats are well known cheaters when it comes to elections.



last I heard of great voter fraud was from DieBold, the company that makes the voting machines promising to deliver Ohio for Bush in 2004 . . ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_presidential_election_controversy,_voting_machines#Specific_issues_relating_to_Diebold_machines_and_practices

yeah its wiki

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by LostArtist on 08/27/12 at 07:49:05


596B6C7D7A6B7C436F7C650E0 wrote:
Turzai is a local state rep, so what? Do you want me to find the completely stupid insane crap local state reps say who are dems and apply that to Dems nationally?
I thought you meant someone important said something....


yeah, this is happening on a STATE level, and EVERY state that's doing it is republican controlled

you've just heard a state level official say that they used their power to rig the election of that state for their party leader  

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by LostArtist on 08/27/12 at 07:50:05


122027363120370824372E450 wrote:
Go to a drivers license office for an ID, in my state the average wait is three hours, much of that wait is standing up

oh please..... how many excuses can you come up with to steal an election?...


have you ever heard of poll tax laws web????  oh, hell, you probably remember cheering them on

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by tarkm812 on 08/27/12 at 08:32:04

Oh I'm sorry. The line for ID's is too long. We'll just take your word for it. If that is the reason you are using, nothing you say will be taken seriously. Maybe it is inconvienient to get one but please dont make this out to be anything but smoke and mirrors. You only have to get it one time and it is resolved. Anyone is this day that says they can't get one is full of it and will be looked at suspiciously. No more BS.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Serowbot on 08/27/12 at 09:22:43

Problem is,.. the ID's required to get the required ID...
"Easy peasy, just go get one"...
.. but,.. they don't just show up and ask for one... They need to bring a current passport, or birth certificate, or whatever, to get one... which may require travel to another state to get, and what do they need to show to get that, and how long does that process take?... then, come back to their current home with that and apply for this one...
This can be very difficult for an elderly person, or a poor person without a car...
Some people, elderly, and born at home, never had a birth cert...
Some people never had a passport...
Some people never get a home loan, because they never could afford a home...
Some had them and they were lost in fire, or flood, or a move...
There are difficulties you, or I, can't imagine...
... it is stupid to think that just because it wouldn't be a problem for you, that others might not find it near impossible...

The hospital I was born in, no longer exists... and it was in a different country... fortunately, I have a Drivers license and a voter ID....
:-?...
:-?...

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Retread on 08/27/12 at 09:27:25

 The last election that was stolen was done in a state where one of the canidates had a brother who was governor and a campaign manager who was the states district attorney!!!

  Its about time we took this American Taliban to the woodshed! Your not conservative, or Republicans, your a Pox on this nation! You should be ashamed of yourselves! >:(  If you don't win, you rig the election process? Like spoiled children who don't get their way...

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/12 at 09:33:55

The last election that was stolen was done in a state where one of the canidates had a brother who was governor and a campaign manager who was the states district attorney!!!
where was that?

There are difficulties you, or I, can't imagine...
... it is stupid to think that just because it wouldn't be a problem for you, that others might not find it near impossible...


It’s just simply not an unreasonable request to require a photo ID and on the voter rolls prior to voting.

Question:

If someone tried to get a loan and was turned down because they did not have a photo ID to start the credit check process, would that be a violation of fair lending laws and the federal government could demand banks and other lending institutions do away with that requirement.
Yes or No.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Serowbot on 08/27/12 at 10:02:54

Getting a loan, is not a Constitutional right... some people never get a loan,... never buy a house or car,...
Everyone don't live like you... it don't make them ineligible to vote...

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Drifter on 08/27/12 at 10:03:57

Many people born in the 30s 40s 50s and 60s have NO birth certificate how do you suppose they get one to PROVE to the republicans they are legitmate Americans????????????   Some of you seem to forget...voting is a right Not a privilege a republican gives you!!

Many forms if id do not qualify like student ids or tax records or morgages or vet ids etc........total BS period.

Explain how changing dates and times so more republicans can vote and fewer dems is moral or legal or that follows the 1964 voting RIGHTS act... :-?  Lets here from all the ryan romney guys on this one.

There is no excuse to justify this attempt to rig an election!!!

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by tarkm812 on 08/27/12 at 10:12:28

If you choose to not get an ID (it is a choice) based on difficulties then forfeit your vote.  Otherwise do whatever is required to obtain said ID.  Whine all you want but don't expect anyone to give a darn.  There is no situation that a legal citizen would not be able to get an ID.  Might have to jump through some hoops but if you are eligible you will be able to get it.  Too lazy.. too bad.  Don't know how.. find out how.  No excuses.  No ID, no vote.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by srinath on 08/27/12 at 10:20:01


1D2F28393E2F38072B38214A0 wrote:
Question:

If someone tried to get a loan and was turned down because they did not have a photo ID to start the credit check process, would that be a violation of fair lending laws and the federal government could demand banks and other lending institutions do away with that requirement.
Yes or No.


OOoo nice very nice try, sadly also very incorrect. I gave them my name and SS# and so did my wife, and we said the baby dont have one cos its still in mommy's tummy - we didn't even have to fill the forms we signed it after their system filled it up. They said great, you can move in friday and we'll call you if there is any problem. We closed on that house and moved in on the day they said. I took 1/2 hour off work to get it done @ the sales office in my subdivision. Took all of 4 days or so.

See there can be no attempt to steal a house - and even if you somehow did, they could probably call the insurance company and get a full on refund. So they dont need ID or any bloody thing.

Someone can steal an election, and the yare using the ID system to do so. The PA governor said so himself.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/12 at 10:54:33

Getting a loan, is not a Constitutional right... some people never get a loan,... never buy a house or car,...
Everyone don't live like you... it don't make them ineligible to vote...


so your answer is....?

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/12 at 10:55:15

The PA governor said so himself.

what PA governor?

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/12 at 11:02:25

Explain how changing dates and times so more republicans can vote and fewer dems is moral or legal or that follows the 1964 voting RIGHTS act

that's made up BS at best and an out and out lie at worst. if you want a tit for tat, explain how thugs standing outside a polling place threating white voters to reduce the liklihood of republican votes is moral or legal? Our racist atty general decided it was no big deal.

do individuals from both sides cheat in an election? Sure they do. But dems are the only ones who out and out stole a presidential election (Kennedy over Nixon) via widespread cheating in Chicago.

look, just get over it. Proper ID for voting is not unreasonable. We all know the only reason it's an issue to you is because you know 90% will vote for Hopey.
I want voters to have a photo ID because I know dems will cheat and photo ID's at least make that a little harder.

You wouldn't give a crap about military voter suppression because you know 75%+ vote for Republicans.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by LostArtist on 08/27/12 at 11:26:46


7C4E49585F4E59664A59402B0 wrote:
Explain how changing dates and times so more republicans can vote and fewer dems is moral or legal or that follows the 1964 voting RIGHTS act

that's made up BS at best and an out and out lie at worst. if you want a tit for tat, explain how thugs standing outside a polling place threating white voters to reduce the liklihood of republican votes is moral or legal? Our racist atty general decided it was no big deal.

do individuals from both sides cheat in an election? Sure they do. But dems are the only ones who out and out stole a presidential election (Kennedy over Nixon) via widespread cheating in Chicago.

look, just get over it. Proper ID for voting is not unreasonable. We all know the only reason it's an issue to you is because you know 90% will vote for Hopey.
I want voters to have a photo ID because I know dems will cheat and photo ID's at least make that a little harder.

You wouldn't give a crap about military voter suppression because you know 75%+ vote for Republicans.


if it's free and provided by the voting registration people either at the polls or someplace that person is going to be anyway so they don't have to spend money to get it that they normally wouldn't spend then fine,  but it's not, it's putting hoops up to jump through to vote that weren't there before. the voting registration people (whoever the hell that is) should be required to provide these ids to the people, they can get little photo machines and print and laminate the ID's at the voting places, yes this would cause a huge headache and massive lines, but this could also be done at early voting times, it really doesn't take but 15 minutes if it's set up right, and it wouldnt' be that many people right web, since you dont' believe that this would affect that many people right.  

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by LostArtist on 08/27/12 at 11:28:37


2C392A333560696A580 wrote:
Oh I'm sorry. The line for ID's is too long. We'll just take your word for it. If that is the reason you are using, nothing you say will be taken seriously. Maybe it is inconvienient to get one but please dont make this out to be anything but smoke and mirrors. You only have to get it one time and it is resolved. Anyone is this day that says they can't get one is full of it and will be looked at suspiciously. No more BS.


if this was fixing a real voter fraud problem, okay, but it's not fixing anything

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by srinath on 08/27/12 at 11:34:44


645651404756417E524158330 wrote:
The PA governor said so himself.

what PA governor?



Whoever it was who said "implementing the voter ID system that would let Romney win PA - Done" - Thanks to google - Mike Turzai and here is the clip on youtube -

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Trippah on 08/27/12 at 11:35:35

Would cutting off a baby finger after you vote be prohibitavely expensive.  This would allow you to vote in two Presidential during your life (unless you are rich and have new one surgically added) ;D ;D ;D

Wouldn't 2 be enough, we are going to have to execute you when you hit 40 yrs old cause no one will vote to fund re=tirement programs.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Serowbot on 08/27/12 at 12:00:23

Rep's know full well,.. all of these ID laws will be overturned in the courts eventually, on the grounds that they are against the voter rights act...
They don't care,.. they just want to drag it out long enough to get passed the election... and get Romney and a Senate majority in...
Then, they'll be in position to rewrite the voter act... cancel Obamacare, give the rich the tax cuts they don't deserve, and fill the Supreme court with Pro-life advocates...
Mission accomplished,.. one democracy sold to the Koch bros, and Adelson...
Welcome to the Fascist States of America...

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/12 at 12:11:38

Then, they'll be in position to 1)rewrite the voter act... 2)cancel Obamacare, 3)give the rich the tax cuts they don't (do) deserve, and 4) fill the Supreme court with Pro-life advocates...

I'm good with 2-4. sweet.....

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Serowbot on 08/27/12 at 12:18:17

Web,.. what's yer' plan when you retire?... Medicare?,.. or go broke with your (or your wife's) first major illness and get your HMO cancelled, loose your home and savings, and go on welfare?... or just both die before reach retirement?...
You think your HMO will still love you when you're 80?... Think you'll be able to swing the $20,000 a month premium?...

;D ;D ;D...

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by tarkm812 on 08/27/12 at 12:52:03

Give someone an opportunity to vote without being able to verify who that someone is is indeed a problem.  If you dont think this flaw will be exploited then you have your head in the sand.  Even one fraudulent vote compromises the system and it will be far more than one.  Of course there is politics behind this but why wouldn't anyone want this accurate unless their motive was less than sincere.  There is no reason to be without an ID.  If you can't figure out how to get a legit ID maybe you should not be participating in this election.  No excuses.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by LostArtist on 08/27/12 at 12:53:19


566463727564734C60736A010 wrote:
Then, they'll be in position to 1)rewrite the voter act... 2)cancel Obamacare, 3)give the rich the tax cuts they don't (do) deserve, and 4) fill the Supreme court with Pro-life advocates...

I'm good with 2-4. sweet.....


You're good with that even if it's against the will of the people?  sounds like you like authoritarian governments, you should move out of this representative democracy and move to, idk, maybe Saudi Arabia, I think they have most of what you like there

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by LostArtist on 08/27/12 at 13:00:10


697C6F7670252C2F1D0 wrote:
Give someone an opportunity to vote without being able to verify who that someone is is indeed a problem.  If you dont think this flaw will be exploited then you have your head in the sand.  Even one fraudulent vote compromises the system and it will be far more than one.  Of course there is politics behind this but why wouldn't anyone want this accurate unless their motive was less than sincere.  There is no reason to be without an ID.  If you can't figure out how to get a legit ID maybe you should not be participating in this election.  No excuses.



show me all these fraud cases you are so afraid of.  show me that they add up to a hill of beans.  

I'm fine with the voter ID law, but the ID's need to be provided at the voting polls that the people would normally go to for voting, Yes that's probably extremely expensive but if you are going to change the law, you need to fund that change




Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by tarkm812 on 08/27/12 at 13:25:48

The point is there is no method to show fraud because you don't have to show ID.  I guess that means  since it can't be proven there must be no fraud going on.  Its amazing how funding for a Kazillion dollar healthcare plan is ok but not for verifing who individuals are.  Your right in that I can't show this fraud but you are naive if you think it is a small problem that people won't try to take advantage of.  If they get an ID, they have it for life.  One time cost.  Why so much opposition to this.  

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by srinath on 08/27/12 at 13:26:47


7A5945427744425F4542360 wrote:
[quote author=566463727564734C60736A010 link=1345552953/30#41 date=1346094698]Then, they'll be in position to 1)rewrite the voter act... 2)cancel Obamacare, 3)give the rich the tax cuts they don't (do) deserve, and 4) fill the Supreme court with Pro-life advocates...

I'm good with 2-4. sweet.....


You're good with that even if it's against the will of the people?  sounds like you like authoritarian governments, you should move out of this representative democracy and move to, idk, maybe Saudi Arabia, I think they have most of what you like there[/quote]

Correct, including the "fact" that rape is under the woman's ability to shut the (w) hole thing down, and hence it is her fault.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Drifter on 08/27/12 at 14:13:19

Look it up or watch something besides fox news its not BS.The former chair of the Republican voting commision in fla said they are doing the same thing here he refused to go along with the illegal fraud and was fired .Look that one up not BS! Only active military can vote the last 3 days in ohio NO vets or anyone else!

Tell me how all these folks with no birth certificates get them? How long does it take who is going to pay for it? Tell me you gonna pay for it or help em out?  They should not have to jump through hoops to please a bunch or radical right wing asssholes.  >:(

Bot, you are right none of this will hold up in court unless they stack the court with more radicals, the constitution is in trouble then look at the comments here they dont give a rats ass about legality.....what ever it takes to remove Obama.  What goes around comes around!!

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Retread on 08/27/12 at 21:35:08

 No shame at all, purge voters in Florida, anyone who sounds like they have a foriegn name, or could be a Democrat, thats fine.. They show up to vote have ID and find their name is purged from voter rolls, maybe you can vote next time... :o

Title: Re: OHIO 2012  Pa and Fla...
Post by Drifter on 09/01/12 at 04:56:14

Good News a federal judge threw out the ohio block the vote mess. Now all people from ohio have equal time to vote.  

Good news a 3 federal judge panel threw out the Texas block the vote and the republiklan voter id law.

Fla and pa are next, im glad there are some people that still believe in the constitution!!!

Title: Re: OHIO 2012 Pa and Fla...UPDATE Good News!
Post by srinath on 09/01/12 at 16:23:47

You need to watch the move Harold and kumar escape from guantanamo.
There is a scene where the guy does something that Mitt Romney's cronies have been doing to the constitution for years.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012 Pa and Fla...UPDATE Good News!
Post by Drifter on 09/05/12 at 04:54:39

Just when i thought the republiklans had been stopped in ohio...last night i here the little tin god in ohio says HE will not follow a federal judges order to return voting as it was before these pricks took over.

NOPE i determine when people are allowed to vote.....not the federal gov. :(

This is over the top for me who and the hell do these people think they are...self appointed dictators that rule as they please?  These people need to be removed!!!!

Title: Re: OHIO 2012 Pa and Fla...UPDATE Good News!
Post by WebsterMark on 09/05/12 at 14:17:14

I understand your difficulties Driter. It’s not easy to round up the deceased, felons and other fictitious  voters and get them to the polls to vote for Hopey. Takes time. I can see why you’d want those extra days.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012 Pa and Fla...UPDATE Good News!
Post by srinath on 09/05/12 at 16:54:01


0F3D3A2B2C3D2A15392A33580 wrote:
I understand your difficulties Driter. It’s not easy to round up the deceased, felons and other fictitious  voters and get them to the polls to vote for Hopey. Takes time. I can see why you’d want those extra days.



OK I gotta stop you here ... or sorta add a small corollary to this, if old people vote republican, then dont dead people vote really really republican, yes that must be stopped, and ofcourse the white collar felons need to vote so bush can come back to the WH, and fictitious voters - who knows they are fictitious.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: OHIO 2012 Pa and Fla...Judges Rule For the Peo
Post by Drifter on 10/07/12 at 06:01:31

Latest news a 3 judge panel has ended the BS in ohio, all people will be allowed to vote the last 3 days before the election and repug approved id will not be required all will be returned to the same status as 2008.

I guess the judicial branch is the only thing keeping our freedoms in tact.

Several states have been over ruled and are being forced....to allow people to vote as has been done in the past. Fla is still a hold out hopefully they will be handed their right wing balls also!!

Title: Re: OHIO 2012 Pa and Fla...UPDATE Good News!
Post by Serowbot on 10/08/12 at 09:02:09

Voter ID's are the border wall of this election...

J. Nepolitano,.. said, "Show me a 50 ft wall, and I'll show you a 50 ft ladder"...  

Show me a voter ID,...
... and I'll show you 3 high school girls drinking with them at a college bar....

Rep's have never heard of fake ID's... or ladders... :-?...

This is what "small" government is all about...
Bloated solutions to non-existent problems, that will do nothing,... other than pander to the hate in their base...

Title: Re: OHIO 2012 Pa and Fla...UPDATE Good News!
Post by srinath on 10/09/12 at 06:10:18


5D4B5C41594C415A2E0 wrote:
Rep's have never heard of fake ID's... or ladders... :-?...

This is what "small" government is all about...
Bloated solutions to non-existent problems, that will do nothing,... other than pander to the hate in their base...


Dont be silly. Of course repug's have heard of fake ID's. They are handing them out.

Small govt is all about ignoring all the real needs and have 100% waste. Cut police, fire road repair etc etc, and when the cops catch the 1 guy going few miles over the limit, we fine them 50,000+ to cover the lost revenues when we catch a few 1000 a week.
Cool.
Srinath.

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