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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Need help very important VIdeo included too!!!!! /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1345230645 Message started by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 12:10:45 |
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Title: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 12:10:45 I went to turn my bike on today and it wouldnt start i need this problem fixed by monday. The battery seems to be okay. I just dont know why it wont start!! Please help me out guys. respond soon please http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkQYB5JwqFo&feature=youtu.be |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 12:15:09 Battery, and/or connections for the battery. If you have a charger, pull the battery out, charge it up, and put it back in. Check ground connection from the battery to the frame as well. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by teabowl13 on 08/17/12 at 12:15:31 That could be a lot of things... you'll need to give us some more information. I know it sounds dumb, but make sure the kill switch is in the run position... that'll get you every time. YES about the battery... just because the lights come on doesn't mean it has enough juice to turn the engine over... make sure it's fully charged and fully working... |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by Serowbot on 08/17/12 at 12:18:55 Lights look bright,.. I hear the de-comp kickin',... I'd check the connections at the relay under the seat and the starter solenoid down at the starter... |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 12:21:52 Im checking all connections now. Wheres the ground connection from battery to frame? The battery is fully charged i checked that already and charged her up. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by Oldfeller on 08/17/12 at 12:32:29 down by the chrome lever on the engine that the clutch cable actuates |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by EJID on 08/17/12 at 12:35:14 613A372C2F32372C33560 wrote:
http://p1.bikepics.com/2012/03/23/bikepics-2370699-full.jpg |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 12:36:12 5442554850454853270 wrote:
I dunno.. the lights go almost completely out when he hits the starter. The only thing that's going to draw that kind of juice is the starter, or a short. I still say battery. Take it and get it load tested (if tightening up connections don't help) |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 12:37:04 What do i need to check on it? I'm not sure. I just really need my bike running. My car is out of commission cause i got into an accident and now my bike too |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 12:37:48 My battery is also reading at just under 13 volts so i think its okay |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by EJID on 08/17/12 at 12:38:52 376C617A7964617A65000 wrote:
Check that they are secure and free of any corrosion. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by Oldfeller on 08/17/12 at 12:39:39 What year model is the bike? |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by rfw2003 on 08/17/12 at 12:40:00 static charge voltage doesn't mean much if there is a flaky cell in the Batt. Once you put a load on it, a flaky cell or 2 could drop out, and leave you with a battery that doesn't have the voltage to crank over the engine. That's why Serow suggested getting it load tested. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by Cavi Mike on 08/17/12 at 12:40:30 If you can't figure it out by Monday, you can just bump-start it. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 12:41:12 My bike is an 87. And how do i get it load tested? |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 12:44:47 075C514A4954514A55300 wrote:
Pull the battery out. Take it to Auto Zone or some other car parts place. They should be able to do a load test. New battery can probably be had at a large Walmart. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by Pine on 08/17/12 at 12:46:39 I dont know much about bikes... I do know I was able to jump start my bike by putting the jumper right on the starter .. iggy was on, but i didnt have to touch the starter button..so it bypassed a bunch... maybe not smart... but if you tap it real quick and the starter engages and spins... you know it aint teh starter... on the flip side if that dont make that starter spin... there you go. light rap with a rubber mallet on the starter... do these thing have a throw out bearing? |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 12:51:00 Checked the battery to frame connection cleaned it up and still same problem. Should i attempt to jump start it? |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 13:04:24 Okay, after attempting to jump start it from a car battery the same thing happened. It clicked and would not start. Which is making me lean torwards it not being the battery. What can it be and how do i check it? I really need this fixed guys |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 13:08:49 I found this post by searching "had an issue with my relay (86). Occasionally, I would hit it, and it wouldn't turn at all. Weird things were happening, like the neutral switch would go out. The sidestand light would turn off when I hit the starter switch. It had all the telltale signs of a nasty grounding problem. After a very long time of checking this and doing that, I found the problem. It was indeed the relay. A 21 year old relay is not going to be as efficient as a new one. And the cheapness (Actually poorness) in me prohibited buying a new switch. So I pulled the relay, and saw all this beautiful green white corrosion on the terminals. First step clean it all up. Next was to give it a few well placed taps to free the insides. I can only imagine that the insides were just as corroded, but unlike the relay that controls the turn signals, I couldn't figure out open this one up. Well, when I had trouble starting, I'd take a long screwdriver and tap the relay. Sure enough the jolt would free up whatever was binding, and it would start. I ended up just repositioned the relay to a more accessible location where I could tap it with my hand because I didn't always have a long screwdriver to reach it above the carb. This may not be the same problem as yours, but the symptoms are similar. Just try tapping (NOT WHACKING!!!) the relay. If it does start up, and you'd rather not buy a new one, just relocate it. " how do i go upon doing this? Im sorry for all the overloading guys, normally I would ask my dad to help me out but do to our financial situation he had to move to Colombia. So Im on my own |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 13:11:50 So much for the easy stuff. Time to start eliminating the horrible. I certainly hope the motor isn't frozen. Pull the spark plug, and see if it will crank with the starter. If not, leave the plug out and see if the motor will turn if you put it in gear and push the bike. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 13:25:45 So i tried to crank with the plug out and it wouldnt. I dont really know what to do to push start it. WHat should i do? |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 13:28:48 From the description in the message you found, that is the decomp relay. It sounds like yours is working OK. Serowbot mentioned the "relay under the seat" and the "starter solenoid". I don't know what he is talking about.. the relay under the seat IS the starter solenoid. I must not understand what he is saying. That might be the problem.. hard to say. Put a volt meter on the starter hot lead. Ground the meter to the frame. Hit the starter. If you get good voltage, your starter solenoid is working. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 13:29:58 Good news is that the motor is not frozen i managed to push start it. And it ran around the block fine. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 13:30:14 1B404D5655484D56492C0 wrote:
Did you try putting the bike in gear and moving it with the plug out? The bike should roll and turn the engine over, not slide on the tires. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 13:33:11 0B505D4645585D46593C0 wrote:
very cool.. so, back to the starter or battery or electrical related to it. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 13:36:34 Since the bike didn't jump start from a car, i dont think it is the battery. Its either what i believe the starter or some electrical problems. What should i check next |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 13:41:26 If you have a voltmeter, check voltage to the starter with that. If voltage there, the decomp and starter relays are working. I would pull the starter like greenmonster said and see if it spins ok. If no voltage, it could be the decomp (I retract my previous statement, as that decomp relay does more than just fire the decomp solenoid), or the starter relay(solenoid) under the seat. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 13:43:09 and .. just to make sure.. check the fuses (under the seat on the right side) |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 13:44:15 I'm sorry for my total lack of knowledge but where is the starter? where i need to connect my volatge meter to |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 13:46:29 It sits on top of the motor right behind the cylinder. There is one wire going to it, and it's a pretty big wire. That is where you check the voltage. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 13:47:45 595655581C0 wrote:
http://p1.bikepics.com/2012/03/23/bikepics-2370699-full.jpg[/quote] In that picture, the starter connection is that black cap up and to the right of the circle. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 13:51:31 Something weird just happened. While i connected one of my voltage meter leads to the starter i tried to start it and it was turning over. Then it stopped. But to check the starter. One of the clamps on the starter and the other where? |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 13:55:44 6C373A21223F3A213E5B0 wrote:
One lead on the starter hot wire, the other lead to any good ground. Was it turning pretty fast, or sluggish? |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 13:56:34 It turned over kinda sluggish |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by Blinky on 08/17/12 at 13:58:17 youzguys, you certainly have more insight than I do on the electrical system, but it might have put enough head on the battery when he rode it around the block to turn it over a few times. I might suggest a load test is still in order as a starting point. For what it is worth |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 13:59:19 6F343922213C39223D580 wrote:
Maybe not so weird, as a warm motor will turn over easier than a cold one. I still think you have a weak battery. If your jumper connection wasn't good, then it wouldn't change your symptoms when trying to jump from the car battery. What is the voltage across the battery when you try to start it? |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 13:59:57 3136203939550 wrote:
+1 Blinky |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 14:04:39 okay, now my batter is reading below 12... |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 14:05:41 306B667D7E63667D62070 wrote:
Is that "at rest", or when you try to start? and how much below 12? |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 14:07:38 its at 11.50 at rest and wont even read when i try to start |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 14:09:18 3F646972716C69726D080 wrote:
Take it out. Take it to auto parts place. Have them charge and load test. (You might want to call first to see if they will even do it for a motorcycle battery). |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 14:10:34 Read this: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1343736383/45 The 2nd post down gives some voltage figures |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by youzguyz on 08/17/12 at 14:13:13 I need to head out of here. Good Luck! (and if nothing else, you push start it and still get to work Monday!!) |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by rfw2003 on 08/17/12 at 14:26:00 164D405B5845405B44210 wrote:
In this case you most likely have a battery that is having issues, a dead short somewhere, but you should see and hear a big spark with one that is enough to drain the voltage to no reading when the starter is engaged, or last but definitely not least you have electrical issues that need to be found and fixed. I'm only basing this off the information that has been given so far. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 14:27:32 This is starting to drive me crazy. Just yesterday it was riding absolutely perfectly! Now battery has dropped to 9.81 and 7.5 while cranking |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by rfw2003 on 08/17/12 at 14:28:46 6F343922213C39223D580 wrote:
Cells in a battery can die for no apparent reason, and they often don't give you any warning before they do. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by Blinky on 08/17/12 at 14:36:41 martin, I have always considered electrical systems as female...sometimes they just do things without warning or reason...and they too can drive you crazy. Get the load test and be prepared to buy a new bat. Regards |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 14:48:07 The more I dig in a think i realized the problem now. Before it did not start from jumping it. After tightening all of the cables and everything it is now only jump starting which is leading me to believe that the problem is a combination of loose cables. And a bad battery |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by greenmonster on 08/17/12 at 15:16:48 combined problems are always the worst to chase down. I'm very glad to hear that it did start and run. With the voltage readings you've given us I would definately point at the battery. Now that you've tightened everything down, (and it is starting from a jump, correct?) your battery has been drained a fair bit and just doesn't have the umph to kick it over. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/17/12 at 15:22:01 Yeah, and from talking to my girlfriends stepdad, who has been riding and fixing bikes for a while it seems that my charging unit on the bike is working well. Sometimes i just wanna pull my hair out from frustration with my bike, but somehow i manage to still love it haha |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by rfw2003 on 08/17/12 at 15:25:09 5D485F5F54575554494E5F483A0 wrote:
Try chasing down a "Spooky Zuki". That dang decomp controller can cause all sorts of issues. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by greenmonster on 08/17/12 at 15:57:09 Martin, If you have a Clymers it explains really well how to check your charging circuit. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by Routy on 08/18/12 at 06:27:38 You live and you learn,......sometimes the hard way Had you read and done what the very 1st reply said to do, "check battery and connections" this thread would have been 4 pages shorter. 1st of all, your bike is an older model that does not have the headlite cutout. Seeing the headlite go completely out in the "start" mode, was a dead giveaway that the starting voltage was going to near zero (7.5=zero) Low starting voltage is caused by only 2 things,............... #1.....the battery itself #2..... any of many connections, including contacts in the starter sillynoid. The very first test that should have been done is,....... Load test the battery,....done in 1 of 2 different ways,.... #1......Use a 50 amp load tester from HF #2......a volt meter across the battery terminals while hitting the starter If that would have passed the load test, then its time to check connections, and bypass the started sillynoid. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by martinfilms34 on 08/18/12 at 07:57:18 The first thing I did was check all of the connections. Which was one of the two problems. The two problems made it seem like it was more then it actually was. The four pages where just one person trying to help me, not a big deal at all. That's what the site is for, to help and connect with other Savage/s40 riders. I needed the help and it was given. No matter how long the thread was. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by Routy on 08/18/12 at 08:11:34 6338352E2D30352E31540 wrote:
Hey, its ok,....I wasn't chewin on ya ! But I was stressing to "all" who ask for help,.....to do what they are told to do, especially something as simple as a batt load test. It happens all the time, people ask for help, then seems like they almost refuse to do a couple simple tests. |
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Title: Re: Need help very important VIdeo included too!!! Post by Serowbot on 08/18/12 at 10:13:05 3A2C363924363A39430 wrote:
What the heck am I talking about?... ;D... I was thinking about the external solenoid on a car starter... ;D ;D ;D... Just wasn't picturing the bike starter in my head... :P... Ooops!... :-?... |
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