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Message started by J2 on 08/05/12 at 14:49:56

Title: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by J2 on 08/05/12 at 14:49:56

I have seen your setup, bridge rectifier and all. That seems like a lot of electronics just to get a beep out of a piezo beeper when the left or right side turn signal lights up. So, humor me while I ask what may be a stupid question:

I have a 2006 S40 (LS650)
Why can't I wire a Piezo beeper across the hot and ground wires leading to each of the two rear facing turn signal lights? This would create a parallel, not series, connection. The voltage would be the same across the beeper and the light bulb, but would this sap too much current from the light bulb? I don't know what the Radio Shack beepers pull in the way of current. This would seem like a much simpler solution, if it works. You went with a much more complex solution, so does that indicate that my simple solution does not work?

When I posted on this issue before, respondents said all I had to do was tie the hot side of the turn signal relay to the hot side of the piezo beeper and then ground the other side of the beeper. Call this a hunch, but I get the feeling that grounding the ts relay through the beeper would send the whole circuit to ground, and I would get a continuous beep.

I have also seen a post that recommends installing an old thermal relay. This individual says cut the connector off the old one and solder one of the wires to each post of the relay, doesn't matter which wire to which. First of all, there are four wires (I think) going into my stock relay, not two. And it seems odd to me that you do not have to differentiate between wires before cuttin and solderin and makin a mess.

Thanks for your time, and I would appreciate any help you could give me. Tired of leaving the ts on.

J2

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/12 at 15:09:09

Tired of leaving the ts on.

I, too, got tired of that. I started turning them off.. just parta ridin a bike,,concentrating on what we do, riding in an aware state. Daydreaming & riding are not a good mix.

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by J2 on 08/05/12 at 15:17:19

Definitely agree with riding aware. Been riding 40 years. My attention is on the 80 yr old lady in the Buick and the college chickie with the phone in her ear. That's why I may leave the ts on, while dodging traffic. I see a lot of bikes going down the road with the signals flashing. This can kill you, so I consider it important enough to have an audible reminder. My other bikes have some kind of sound connected with the ts. My Kymco 150 scooter (go to the store transport) has a thermal relay that always lets me know its on. I am used to that. It makes a difference.

J2

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by Charon on 08/05/12 at 15:24:06

The peizo beeper does not draw significant current, and would have no effect on the turn signals. You would have to use two beepers, one for each side, to connect them directly across the turn signal bulbs, because if you connect the beeper to both bulbs at once you also connect both bulbs together. This makes four-way flashers, and probably also messes up the flash rate.

The person who used the bridge rectifier and relay setup simply used two of the four diodes in the bridge. They are used so whenever either turn signal flashes the beeper beeps, but the other diode keeps the current from backfeeding into the other signal. The relay was set up so when the brake was applied (brake light came on) the beeper would not beep. That way the beeper doesn't annoy you or anyone else while you are at the traffic light, but when you pull away the beeper reminds you the signals are on.

The method I prefer (because it is easy and it works) is to connect the beeper across the turn signal flasher itself. Its only quirk is that the beeper beeps when the turn signal light is OFF, and stops when the bulb is ON.

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by J2 on 08/05/12 at 15:37:16

OK. If you say it works, it works. The way the S40 system is wired, it just looked to me that the ts circuit might be hot and the handle bar switch grounded it to complete the circuit.

So, I would pull the rubber casing from under the tank ... then pull the connector, which leaves me looking at two terminals (spades or prongs). One is hot, the other not. If it is not marked, I will have to test the connector for voltage. Once polarity is established, I would solder the beeper across the terminals. I don't care when it beeps, as long as it beeps.

I could also use my original alternative ... wiring two beepers across the two tail facing signal lights. Have to get the seat off for that, and my fat fingers don't work too well on the inside nuts that secure the bolts holding the seat down. Can't get my fingers in there to hold the nut while I reattach the bolt ... not much of a mechanic, I'm afraid.
(also have a little arthur-itis) :-[

Thanks for the reply.

J2

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/12 at 15:52:28

Do you need 2 beepers? How about a coupla diodes & 1 beeper? & the wires to the rear signals have connectors under the seat. That wire is routed thru the fender rails & they go up kinda between the frame horns under the seat,

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by J2 on 08/05/12 at 15:56:26

If it's wired the way you say under the seat ... sure ... anyone could use diodes to keep the pulses flowing the right way. But rather than play with rectification, I would as soon use two beepers. Simpler that way. Maybe I could tweak them to play a tune!

J2

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by Charon on 08/05/12 at 16:00:52

If you disconnect the turn signal relay/flasher and turn on the ignition, one of the two wires will have 12 volts on it. This is the one to connect to the positive wire of the beeper. Connect the negative wire of the beeper to the other one. Don't bother to do any soldering. Just stick the wires from the beeper into the holes of the connector, and plug it back in. This will catch the wire between the prong and the hole and make a plenty good connection. Then secure the beeper somewhere with cable ties (zip ties).

There is one minor clinker. Those piezo beepers emit a pretty high pitched beep. I wear earplugs to help with the wind noise. Earplugs are particularly effective against high pitched tones. If you use earplugs, you will likely not hear the beeper.

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by J2 on 08/05/12 at 16:55:43

OK on the polarity test. Guess I have always figured it wasn't really connected until it was soldered. That's my old technical degree coming out.
Yep. I thought about the beeeeep in the beeper. That's why my first inclination is to put a pair of them under the seat. Might be a bit more muffled there. Also less H2O affectable. I may be less irritated by the frequency anyhow. I spent 35 years of my life wearing headphones (working radio news), so my ears don't tune in some of those frequencies as well as others do. Of course, the headphones centered on the human voice range, affected that the most, and don't you know sometimes I can't hear a thing my wife says!

I appreciate your time and suggestions.

J2

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/12 at 18:44:03

What about wiring an LED into the back of the front signals?

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by RC on 08/05/12 at 21:18:23

If you are tired of leaving the turn signals on why not just install a Kisan signalminder which will make those buggers self cancelling like the ones in your car. Just a thought. I did it a couple years ago and it worked prefectly.

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by Routy on 08/05/12 at 21:36:35

Why don't ya just connect a piezo bleeper across the flasher like Charon said !!
I just did it, it works perfectly.
And ya don't have to solder anything or strip any wires.
You don't even have to unplug the flasher. Just pull the flasher out of its rubber holder and push some solid 20 ga wires into the back of the plug.
Then ziptie it to the other wire close to the plug. Thats it !
The bleeper was too loud till I stuck it inside the headlite....perfecto !

Now go do it the easy way or the hard way !

Sorry, I lied ! I did have to solder a pc of solid doorbell wire on to the piezo wire.
You need solid wire to push into the back of the plug

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by youzguyz on 08/06/12 at 04:28:25

572F1D0 wrote:

I have seen your setup, bridge rectifier and all. That seems like a lot of electronics just to get a beep out of a piezo beeper when the left or right side turn signal lights up.

Yep.. I'm the guy that wired up them electrics and created a maze of impossible wires going every which way so bad that you need a native guide and psychic just to see where ground is. ;D
Come on.. one relay, one rectifier, one beeper. The big plus is you can turn the thing OFF by grabbing brake. Otherwise people start looking around trying to find that big truck that is getting ready to back into them. (Yep, that is what it sounds like).
Now.. that relay trick might work on the beeper across the flasher, but then you gotta run more wires to places where you may not know where to hook in.
I also put LEDs in parallel with the turn signals as secondary indicators. The location that worked best for me is on the bolts of the risers.. that is close to where my speedo is. Easy hookup inside the headlight shell.

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by Cavi Mike on 08/06/12 at 06:15:31

I could have sworn I already answered this question but all you need to do is wire a piezo beeper across the terminals of the blinker relay. It will beep opposite the signal but it will beep nonetheless.

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by youzguyz on 08/06/12 at 06:20:35

634156496D494B45200 wrote:

Ahhhhh.. but you did not answer it yet in THIS thread. I know, I just looked.. (pulling yer leg Mike.. not being critical of how you did what you did or why)

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by Routy on 08/06/12 at 07:10:32

4163746B4F6B6967020 wrote:

I can't believe a job so simple, but its like the guyz are deaf dumb or blind,....maybe all 3 !

Charon said it
Cavienike said it
I not only read it, and said it, I did it !!

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by RidgeRunner13 on 08/06/12 at 08:56:10

353A203B27213230383621530 wrote:

[quote author=4163746B4F6B6967020 link=1344203396/0#13 date=1344258931]I could have sworn I already answered this question but all you need to do is wire a piezo beeper across the terminals of the blinker relay. It will beep opposite the signal but it will beep nonetheless.

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by verslagen1 on 08/06/12 at 09:21:52

6F54595A586F485353584F0C0E3D0 wrote:

[quote author=353A203B27213230383621530 link=1344203396/15#15 date=1344262232][quote author=4163746B4F6B6967020 link=1344203396/0#13 date=1344258931]I could have sworn I already answered this question but all you need to do is wire a piezo beeper across the terminals of the blinker relay. It will beep opposite the signal but it will beep nonetheless.

I can't believe a job so simple, but its like the guyz are deaf dumb or blind,....maybe all 3 !

Charon said it
Cavienike said it
I not only read it, and said it, I did it !!
[/quote]

Feel my pain, guys.....I've owned 3 of these, been a mechanic all my life, & people will listen to a kid behind the parts counter before me.

Being an ASE certified master auto tech since 1985 means I know absolutely nothing, huh? 8-)[/quote]

"What we've got here is failure to communicate"

Sometimes it's the message, sometimes the audience.
And a picture is worth a 1000 words.

Of course we all know... no pic's, it didn't happen... show me.

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by Routy on 08/06/12 at 13:32:25

Whats next ? Buy'm books, send'm to school, and now they want pictures !:)

But I did take some pics. But the closeup were not in focus, and the farther away ones couldn't even tell what you're looking at.

If it wadn't such a pain to send a pic, I'd send one of them.
If I can send desktop pics to Ebay and CL, don't know why I can't send them here.

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by Routy on 08/07/12 at 06:13:19

Hard to see the flasher/plug assy in its holder, w/ the white solid doorbell wire coming down into the backside of the flasher plug, one side pushed in w/ the brown wire, the other side pushed in w/ the blue wire.

http://p1.bikepics.com/2012/08/06/bikepics-2438858-800.jpg

Here you see the red & white beeper wire spliced to the white doorbell wire, leaving slack for steering and disappearing into the backside of the headlite to the beeper

http://p1.bikepics.com/2012/08/06/bikepics-2438860-800.jpg

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by zippythezip on 08/09/12 at 16:45:07

using the suggestions here I trotted off to radio shack and purchased a 100db buzzer. Reached up front of tank. Flasher unit is just sitting in rubber holder. popped it out, pulled wire clip off and just put wires down back of blades and put back together. No soldering and nice and tight fit. just place buzzer under tank in frame hole.
Only thing is I dont have noisy pipes but buzzer is some loud. So I went back and got the 75db version, much better and dont make folks think there is a truck reversing on them.

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by Routy on 08/10/12 at 16:44:47

The 75 db will probably be plenty loud if you put it inside the headlite,.....which is where it should be for weather proofness.
It has been said if a piezo beeper get wet, its toast.

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by rfw2003 on 08/10/12 at 16:47:49

Here is a waterproof one,

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Piezo-Buzzer-Screamer-Alarm-110dB-12V-110mA-Waterproof-/150628176335

But it is also a 110db version, I'm sure if you looked you could find a quieter one as well.

R.F.

Title: Re: Yeah. Bleeping turn signals again.
Post by FishWisher on 08/11/12 at 11:43:44

Thanks to Routy sending me a beeper (we're old fishing buds) all set up with solid wires and even nylon ties, I installed it in about 20 minutes. Absolutely nothing to it - even for me and I have trouble buttering my toast!

Thanks, Rich!