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Title: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by Routy on 07/19/12 at 07:25:26 Seems this has been done here, but can't find it now. Is there a single wire that is flashing hot.....only while either side is flashing ? Otherwise, can anyone steer me to a wire that is continuosly hot......but only while either side is flashing ? |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by 360k+ on 07/19/12 at 09:34:28 Can you state your question a different way? |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by Routy on 07/19/12 at 10:08:34 5355464D0D0107060D340 wrote:
I can try,....... I want to connect a beeper that beeps while either signal lite is on, and need to find the correct wire to hook to. It could preferrably beep in time w/ the flasher, but if it was a continuous beep while either signal is on would be ok too. I don't have a wiring diagram of the turn signal circuit, otherwise I could probably find the correct wire myself. |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by rfw2003 on 07/19/12 at 10:30:10 You want to connect it at the flasher Routy. when the signal is on one of the wires will be hot the other will flash. A simple test with your VOM or test light will tell you which wire is which. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by verslagen1 on 07/19/12 at 10:38:17 search "piezo" |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by RidgeRunner13 on 07/19/12 at 10:55:42 Do a search for turn signal flasher with sound. I found one on ebay for $6.99 w/free shipping. Sorry, don't know how to make a link. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by 360k+ on 07/19/12 at 11:08:34 You want to connect the buzzer on the downstream side of the flasher unit. One side of the flasher is at 12V continuously, the other side will alternately connect/disconnect. (flash). Connect the buzzer between the flashing side and ground. Radio shack sells a variety of 12V buzzers that are intended for alarm systems, but will work fine in this case. Make sure you get a buzzer and not a piezo speaker (the speaker will only click in this application). http://www.radioshack.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2032266 |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by Routy on 07/19/12 at 11:11:02 4E5A4B0E0C0C0F3C0 wrote:
Thanks. Good thought, problem is the flasher is hot whenever the key is turned on. I need a wire that is hot only when either signal lite is on. |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by 360k+ on 07/19/12 at 11:19:08 If the flasher isn't flashing, then both side will be at 12V. You have to turn the turn signal on to make the flasher flash. Find a place you can measure the wire without removing it. Again, one side is 12V all the time, the other side flashes when the flasher is being used. |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by Charon on 07/19/12 at 11:45:09 Connect your beeper across the turn signal flasher. With the signals off, both wires will be at 12 V, so there will be no voltage across the beeper and it will be silent. When the signals are on, the beeper will sound when the lights are off (12 volts on one side of the beeper, ground through the cold lamp filaments on the other) and not sound when the lights are on. If you want the beeper to sound when the lights are on, you'll need to connect a diode to each of the two signals and tie the two diodes to the beeper, then ground the other side of the beeper. If you use an electronic beeper, watch polarity. It is easier on those bikes which have only one turn signal indicator light, because then you just connect the beeper in parallel with the indicator light. You could always go for the "cool factor" and use two beepers of different pitches. That way you'd know which signal was on. |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by Routy on 07/19/12 at 11:49:04 3A293E3F202D2B29227D4C0 wrote:
Thanks Versel, the search did turn up several posts some of which this had actually been done, and some that were guessing only. In reality, a beeper hooked to the flashing side of the flasher will beep all the time because the flasher is hot anytime the key is on. A couple posts have used a single beeper, but had to make use of a diode to keep from backfeeding to the other side. Another used a rectifier and relay to do the same. Others did it the easiest way, by just using 2 beepers, one hooked to each side,......said it works great. Apparently there is no wire such as I had hoped. Thanks all |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by 360k+ on 07/19/12 at 12:00:40 737C667D616774767E7067150 wrote:
Thanks Versel, the search did turn up several posts some of which this had actually been done, and some that were guessing only. In reality, a beeper hooked to the flashing side of the flasher will beep all the time because the flasher is hot anytime the key is on. A couple posts have used a single beeper, but had to make use of a diode to keep from backfeeding to the other side. Another used a rectifier and relay to do the same. Others did it the easiest way, by just using 2 beepers, one hooked to each side,......said it works great. Apparently there is no wire such as I had hoped. Thanks all[/quote] Routy, you're right. I forgot about the fact the flasher contacts are normally closed (sorry bout dat). The way Charon said will work, but keep in mind the buzzer actually passes some current thru itself (which would normally be open contacts). However, in this case I don't think it's enough to cause problems. |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by Charon on 07/19/12 at 15:21:48 I have not tried the "beeper across the turn signal flasher" on a Savage. But it is the method I used on my wife's Twinstar years ago, and it worked fine. The beeper uses only a few milliamps of current, while the turn signal lights use at least a couple of amps. The current the beeper passes through the lights is so insignificant as not to matter. You do have to make sure neither wire is grounded. On the Twinstar the turn signal flasher was under one of the side covers, and I just cable-tied the beeper under there. For connection, I simply unplugged the flasher, put the beeper wires into the holes, and replugged. |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by Routy on 07/19/12 at 16:00:30 http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-piezo-buzzer-Continues-tone-for-alarm-DC-12V-Free-Shipping-/120949931200?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c292d7cc0 I ordered these,.....for the ez way out. Hope they'll work. |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by rfw2003 on 07/19/12 at 19:48:04 Well you can still wire off the flasher just by adding a standard automotive 30amp relay to the circuit. Just put your buzzer on terminal 87A, and on terminal 30 to a 12v power source that is only on when the key is on then it will only supply the power to the buzzer when the flasher is cutting the power to the circuit. You could use any relay that has both NO and NC contacts on it like the standard automotive 30 amp relay. There are many out there that are smaller that can be had. If you need me to draw you up a simple wiring diagram of this let me know. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by Cavi Mike on 07/19/12 at 20:06:01 5D49581D1F1F1C2F0 wrote:
Just put it across the terminals of the flasher relay. It will beep opposite the flash but it will beep nonetheless. *edit* I wouldn't use anything beside a piezo beeper though, anything else will draw too much current and affect the flash-rate, possibly even stop it from flashing. |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by rfw2003 on 07/19/12 at 20:12:55 486A7D624662606E0B0 wrote:
Just put it across the terminals of the flasher relay. It will beep opposite the flash but it will beep nonetheless. *edit* I wouldn't use anything beside a piezo beeper though, anything else will draw too much current and affect the flash-rate, possibly even stop it from flashing. [/quote] The coil of the relay will only draw 160ma at 13.6v so it's like adding approx 2 single LEDs in there, That isn't' gonna affect the flash rate any at all. |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by Routy on 07/19/12 at 22:56:07 Ok, those (more than one) who said that connecting a piezo across (or in parallel w/) the flasher would work, is absolutely correct ! It works perfectly, and the flashers are still at or near the same rate. How could it be so simple,.....not even having to take the tank off or anything. Thanks to all Routy |
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Title: Re: Installing Signal Lite Beeper Post by rfw2003 on 07/19/12 at 23:05:59 7C7369726E687B79717F681A0 wrote:
YW, As for how could it be so simple, it's the central point of the turn signal system that is why :) |
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