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Message started by Claite on 07/17/12 at 11:38:00

Title: New Savage Dying
Post by Claite on 07/17/12 at 11:38:00

Hello all,

I'm not extremely knowledgeable about motorcycles, so I'll try my best to explain what happened.

Yesterday, I went to ride my new 2012 Suzuki Savage, with <150 miles on it. I turned it on with the choke, let it run for ~30 seconds, pushed in the choke, left it running for 3 minutes, then hopped on and head off. I got on the on ramp, got up to 60 mph, and it just dies, and I have to pull off the road.

It took several minutes to get it on again. I hear it trying to ignite, but wouldn't catch. I checked the gas, still had plenty, checked the oil, still full. I flipped it to prime, tried to turn it on, and that didn't do much. I put it to reserve and tried, still no luck. Put it back to "on", and played with the throttle while trying to turn it on, and it eventually worked.

I went about 1 mile, and it started sputtering and dies again. This happened another 2 times on my way to work.

I'm not sure what's wrong. My dad suggested it might be that I didn't let it warm up enough, so I left it on even longer on idle at the end of my work day, rode it around lightly in the garage, but as soon as I got to a slight hill in the parking lot, it died.

Anyone have suggestions of what could be wrong, or what might have caused what happened? The seller told me "just ride it" when I asked him about what I should be careful about in the first few hundred miles, and I'm afraid that that advice is what got me in this pickle. I don't have an odometer, so it's also hard to imagine how I'd keep it under a certain RPM.

Thanks all

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/17/12 at 11:45:09

Thats abnormal,, & unsafe. Take it back & tell them to fix it,
You can know your RPM by looking at the speedo & knowing what gear youre in, Dont ride at a steady RPM for too long, keep it changing, keep it calm.

I would put it on Prime & see if it still does that, The other positions use vaccum to make the fuel deliver to the carb, or, wait till it shuts off & drain the bowl & see how much gas is in the carb,
You should be able to start it up, put it in gear & ride away,, you may need some choke to keep it smooth, make sure the idle is set high enough, below 1,000 RPM, oil pressure isnt good enough to keep the cam happy,

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Spamy on 07/17/12 at 11:51:31

A used 2012 bike? That seems strange, whats the story there? That alone makes me wonder what its history is, was it sitting, was it from another state where the jetting may have been fiddled with.

If I misread that and its actually from a dealer, bring that joker back and have them fix it.

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Serowbot on 07/17/12 at 11:56:10

Can't think of any logical reason for it to do that...

You didn't accidentally fill it with diesel did you?...

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by bill67 on 07/17/12 at 11:56:53

Put some Sea Foam in the gas to clean and lube the carb.

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Claite on 07/17/12 at 12:15:29

Thanks for all the responses.

@Spamy, no, not used. By seller I meant the man at the dealer that got me set up with the bike. The bike had ~10 miles on it when I got on. It was literally out of the box.

@Serowbot, No, I'm 99.99% sure I didn't. (.01% for the gas station putting the gas in the wrong pump). I have only filled it up once since I had it, and that was only about $5 worth. It was also Cheveron, so I don't think the gas was bad. (Versus Arco or some other station like that).

@Justin, I agree that it's unsafe. There was a semi behind me when my engine cut off. Luckily, there was no one to my right so I was able to pull off rather quickly before I decelerated too much. I can try putting it in prime and seeing if it'll help. I didn't try it again since I was able to turn it on, on the side of the highway.

I'll be calling the dealer today to complain and get a date set for me to bring it in and have it checked. It seems far to abnormal for this to happen to a brand new bike. Even more so since they checked the bike prior to me riding it off.

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Charon on 07/17/12 at 12:38:49

The theoretical value of Seafoam (aka snake oil) is to clean out a dirty system. New bikes usually don't have dirty systems, so save your eight or nine bucks. There is absolutely nothing in Seafoam that will do a better job of cleaning than the gasoline already in the tank.

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by bill67 on 07/17/12 at 12:45:01

When I buy a new mower or snowblower I put Sea Foam in the gas before I start it for the first time. It cleans it and lubes it.

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Dave on 07/17/12 at 13:53:29

7F7471712B2A1D0 wrote:

When I buy a new mower or snowblower I put Sea Foam in the gas before I start it for the first time. It cleans it and lubes it.

So how much cleaning and lubing does a new mower or snowblower need?

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Oldfeller on 07/17/12 at 14:39:20

Only thing on a brand new bike that could cause that might be a blocked pressure vent in the cap or an air leak in the vac tube setup.

... or the earliest known failed vac petcock ever seen (snigger snigger)

;D

PLEASE do tell us what the stealership sez about it -- insist on your removed parts be given back to you or an itemized warranty work report listing the replacement part numbers.

Tell them SuzukiSavage.com wants to know exactly what failed on the brand new bike, they know who we are.

oooooo --- a failed virgin fresh out of the crate vac petcock, oooooo .... that would smart a whole bunch going up sideways, eh?

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Claite on 07/17/12 at 15:17:25

I called up the dealer and they told me to bring it in and they'll get take a look and make sure to prioritize me. I'll try to get as much information on what happened and why, so you all can add it to your knowledge banks. I'm really bummed that this happened on my brand new bike, but hell, I know that this stuff happens sometimes.

Thanks a lot for the help. I hope whatever happened isn't serious. :\

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/17/12 at 18:29:06

I would want any "bad" parts in my hands,, if not to keep, at least to look at.

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Charon on 07/17/12 at 18:37:33

If the job is warranty work, Suzuki might require the parts be sent to them.

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Badass94Cad on 07/17/12 at 18:37:52

0B2429213C2D480 wrote:

I don't have an odometer, so it's also hard to imagine how I'd keep it under a certain RPM.

I think you mean tachometer. ;)

617E787F62655464546C7E72390B0 wrote:

Dont ride at a steady RPM for too long, keep it changing,

What's wrong with that? :-/

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/17/12 at 18:51:12

Before the rings are seated they can set up a chattering kind of motion, digging in & creating tinly low spots around the wall,, or so Ive heard,, IDK,, Its just recommended to vary RPM.

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Badass94Cad on 07/17/12 at 18:59:00

607F797E63645565556D7F73380A0 wrote:

Before the rings are seated they can set up a chattering kind of motion, digging in & creating tinly low spots around the wall,, or so Ive heard,, IDK,, Its just recommended to vary RPM.

Ah, gotcha. 8-)

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Claite on 07/24/12 at 16:39:12

As embarrassing as this might be, I felt I should still let everyone know what happened.

It seems that I did not, in fact, have enough gas in the tank. I imagined the tank would have more gas then the 2.8 gallons I learned about today. When I had flipped it to reserve, I didn't leave it there long enough running the throttle for the petcock to actually get the gas, and thus seemed to not make any difference.

This being my first bike, I didn't really understand the fuel levels well enough when looking in the tank. I imagined the gas I had seen in there was more then what was actually there. So, the bike is fine. Just me being a fool. :\

Thanks for the help, all.

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by J C Stokes on 07/24/12 at 16:56:34

It's one of the difficulties of these rather pleasant little bikes. Your fuel range is only good for about 100 110 miles. This may improve a little as the bike runs in. When you are on reserve you probably only have 20 miles left. If you go over 120 miles pray and if you go over 130 miles pray very hard, your prayers may not be answered at 130 miles plus.

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by runwyrlph on 07/24/12 at 17:28:29

78575A524F5E3B0 wrote:

Don't feel too bad. Many on here have struggled to keep the bike running (with the kickstand down), or get it started (with the red switch set to "off"). - At least that's what i hear, i'd never do anything like that personally ;)

I usually figure 100+ miles on main, 30 on reserve. 20 miles on reserve is a very conservative estimate, but you should probably be looking pretty hard for a gas station by then!

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Davidoff74 on 08/01/12 at 03:00:39

LOL experienced the same on my first trip :)

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/01/12 at 03:06:25

WEll,, theres an easy fix!

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Digger on 08/05/12 at 22:33:13

5A7578706D7C190 wrote:

Happened to me, too, back in '73 with the first bike I ever bought new (a Can-Am 175 T'NT). I was out and about......and practically wore out the kickstarter trying to get 'er going, before thinking to pull the gas cap off for a check.

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Serowbot on 08/05/12 at 23:24:17

Never happened to me... No, really,.. I swear...(fingers crossed, behind my back)... :-?...

Standing rule here... no pics, it didn't happen... :-X...

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Routy on 08/06/12 at 07:36:40

It seems it would be explained to any new buyer what the prime position really does,......that it is a constant fuel flow...... that it bypasses the vacuum operated valve, and it bypasses the reserve, and it will temporarly fix 75% of any fuel starvation problem. From what I see, the biggest problem w/ the OEM vacuum valve, is the confusion in how it works !

Title: Re: New Savage Dying
Post by Bubba on 08/06/12 at 13:34:57

Don't feel bad...I reworked an old savage that then sold to a friend...when I was shaking out the bike to make sure it was running right I was sailing down the freeway and conk...she just shut right off...coasted to the side with semis blasting past me...took a good 10 minutes before I thought of fuel being the problem....luckily, i didn't have it on reserve or I'da been pushin it.