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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> 2013 The End of the Savage? Maybe not? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1341595325 Message started by Drifter on 07/06/12 at 10:22:04 |
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Title: 2013 The End of the Savage? Maybe not? Post by Drifter on 07/06/12 at 10:22:04 With 2012 being the end of carb street bikes maybe not?? What does the very near future hold in store for for the savage? Will Suzuki do the right thing and add FI maybe create some new models using this engine like a cafe, bobber or bagger or a street scrambler...... This works well for HD and Triumph..... ::) This bike has a rep and street cred all over the world it would be a shame to let it die!! :( Anyone heard any rumors? Anyone on here from Japan wanting to leak a little secret??? Tell us a FI savage is comming soon! I was reading on motorcycle daily that Kawasaki is returning the KLR 650 with a carb, not sure how they are meeting the new epa reg. maybe a serious cat of some kind. If Kawi can figure it out Suzuki should also. Maybe there is still life for the old carbed girl. It would cost very little for suzuki to add FI maybe a bigger tank and a trip meter, far less than developing a new bike. If you want them to keep the bike chime in and tell them why! 8-) |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by teabowl13 on 07/06/12 at 10:26:07 I'd say if sales of the TU250X went well over here they might consider it... but I don't know if they have or not. A TU650X would be a NO BRAINER in my book, but who knows? The Triumphs seem to be popular, but Kawi didn't sell too many of their WR650's, so they dropped them. Now they are collectable... Go figure!! |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by Badass94Cad on 07/06/12 at 10:30:39 Oh, this year is the last year for carbed bikes, for realz? I didn't realize. I knew most, if not all, bikes had cats on them now. Interesting, and sad. I like simple bikes, and the simple cars and trucks of yesterday, for that matter. :'( Time to stock up on the oldies while they're still cheap! ;) |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by serenity3743 on 07/06/12 at 12:35:30 I personally hope Suzuki does add fuel injection and keeps the LS 650 alive and well for another 25 years. Despite the flaws, of which we are all aware, the overall design has a lot of longevity, flexibility, relative ease of maintenance and repair, and just plain classic good lines and great fun. LONG LIVE THE SAVAGE NATION!!!!!!!! [smiley=evil.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by Drifter on 07/07/12 at 15:22:31 Teadowl, i think the reason the w650 did not sell well was due to the 6500 price tag. They sold alot better in europe than here.. it was overpriced compared to other bikes on the market. We all know most metric owners are cheap... ;) What i have been reading of late suzuki is not in great shape, especially the auto division, they are consedering dropping out of the US market. That being said it should be even more reason to upgrade an existing model like the savage which has sold well for decades.... BTW are you a Tebow fan? |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by Serowbot on 07/07/12 at 16:00:11 If they go EFI,.. they might as well quit making the Savage,...I don't want one... I can handle a carb... EFI has too many sensors and whatnot's... :-?... Oxygen, MAP, TPI, fuel pump, cat... I pull it all, and put a carb back on it... ;D... |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by High_Plains_Thumpr on 07/07/12 at 16:23:23 2533243921343922560 wrote:
People said the same thing of cars in the mid 1970's when EPA mandated catallytic converters, smog pumps, and leaner burning engines. I think we all will survive. Besides, I have never owned a new vehicle until 2007 (wife's new 2007 car). I'd rather fix up an older bike and have something looking new after repair and paint to sport with. [smiley=grin.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by arteacher on 07/07/12 at 16:55:18 They haven't had to put any R&D into it since '05, when they changed the bars and that was minimal. When they changed it from a 4spd to a 5spd, the R&D was still not major. The R&D for fuel injection has pretty much been taken care of with the 250. So they don't really have a reason for discontinuing it, as long as they still sell, and they don't seem to stay on the floor very long at the two dealers in London that carry them, although I don't see very many on the roads. |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by s40 on 07/07/12 at 17:43:30 the s40 is sold world wide. I think the s40 savage will be around for awhile. |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by ZAR on 07/07/12 at 18:10:06 6962626B6768697372060 wrote:
Same here. None of the dealers have them in stock and all have a waiting list! Something that popular ..... |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by bill67 on 07/07/12 at 18:47:31 The dealer in Lake Geneva Wi. who I've know for 40 years have hardly any Honda's or Suzuki's on the floor but a lot of Kawasaki's,because Kawasaki is the only one that will but them on the floor without him paying for them. He doesn't sell Yamaha's.The S40 isn't a very good selling bike around here when Suzuki did floor them he only got 2 a year. |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by Pine on 07/07/12 at 19:57:22 Dealer here has a new on the floor. |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by rfw2003 on 07/07/12 at 20:02:50 Myself I wouldn't mind a F.I. version. I actually kinda like F.I. systems, plus with the efi they would probably put a bigger fuel tank on the savage finally :) They would most likely also upgrade the charging system, to put out a little more juice, since it would be running an additional load. If I remember correctly from reading here, what is on the Savage stock for the charging system doesn't leave much room to add much accessory wise, much less a power hungry efi system |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by WD on 07/07/12 at 20:50:03 When I bought mine in 98 the dealer said that each US dealership at that time got a maximum of 2 Savages a year. He had 8 on the showroom floor, couldn't hardly give them away. Most people stateside who wanted obsolete (aircooled carbed) technology bought Harleys. Suzuki kind of shot itself in the foot with the name change to Boulevard with minimal changes to the bikes themselves. A VS700 from the early 80s looks just like an S50. A first year VS1400 looks just like an S83. The old LC1500 flew off the showroom floor, C90Ts tend to sit around gathering dust. It may be time to just bid it a fond farewell as a showroom new model. What's next if they go to EFI on it, liquid cooling? Pass... |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by J C Stokes on 07/08/12 at 03:24:03 Hmm, they don't sell all that well in New Zealand, about twenty second hand in dealers throughout the country on the NZ equivalent of EBAY, only one dealer advertising a new one. |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by LANCER on 07/08/12 at 03:33:39 I stopped by the dealer a couple of days ago and while there asked about the S40. The dude said they don't know yet about any of the models but will find out in 2 months when Suzuki has a dealer gathering in Vegas to show & tell about the '13 models they will get. |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by rfw2003 on 07/08/12 at 03:44:31 Speaking of efi, has anyone thought about the megaquirt systems more specifically the microsquirt to try and adapt it to the Savage? Only issues I could really think of off hand is trying to find an acceptable throttle body and 2 I wonder if the electrical system will handle a efi system even as simple as the microsquirt? With the microsquirt you could also have alot better control over the ignition system as well. Full timing control would be a very nice feature especially with the Overbore kits and performance cams. R.F. |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by Drifter on 07/08/12 at 04:16:44 RFW, do you have a link to this system? MXRob on the DR650 site has been working on a FI ststem for that bike with some...sucess. Lancer, i guess we will know the fate of the savage in 3 months then. WD..45 I agree, the name change did not help. the dealers here in fla sell S40s pretty well mainly because of price and weight. There are several FI bikes that are air cooled so just adding FI does not mandate liquid cooling...besides my D14 tractor and truck and 2 of my other bikes are liquid cooled... :) |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by rfw2003 on 07/08/12 at 04:26:45 71475C53415047350 wrote:
sure do, here ya go. http://microsquirt.info/ for the microsquirt specific stuff and here is the main page for the megasquirt in general. http://www.megasquirt.info/ The Mega/Microsquirt systems are a low cost efi system that is geared towards the DIYer for converting carbed engines to efi. Can be used on pretty much anything and depending on which version you go with as they have several different models to chose from on the hardware it can be Fuel only or Fuel and ignition. I have been wanting to try one out for years just never had a project to try one out on yet. The megasquirt systems you can buy as a build it yourself kit where you solder it all up yourself, but the microsquirt since it's all surface mount and water resistant plus a lot smaller is sold only as pre-assembled but at a very nice price still. R.F. |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by Drifter on 07/08/12 at 04:53:35 Looks interesting, i vote for you to test and give us the full report. :) |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by rfw2003 on 07/08/12 at 05:17:44 06302B24362730420 wrote:
I may one winter as a project, just to see how it goes. Need to clean out one of my storage buildings so I have a work space to do something like that in though. It would defiantly be an interesting project. |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by Steampowered Boy on 07/08/12 at 09:58:03 Here in CA, the S40 is frequently out of stock. I just bought a 2012 about a month and a half ago and I had to wait two weeks for the shop to get one. This was at Bert's MegaMall in Covina so they do more volume than most small bike shops but the Sales Manager said they sell in excess of 15 a month, even more when Suzuki runs the 0% financing. |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by Greg-E on 07/08/12 at 12:39:57 Something being worked on for the Ninja 250, but was designed for single cylinder machines: Check the Ecotrons system (can't post links yet) I would personally prefer using the DIYefi.org system for a do it yourself system. The Megasquirt people are not really open to suggestions and the project is no longer open sourced so making it fit on things that it doesn't support is up to the whim of the owners. As far as EFI on air cooled cycles goes, Buell XB series comes to mind since I have one, also Harley has switched some models to EFI and retained air cooling. Throttle bodies should not be a problem since the TU250 could be used as parts, as well as other machines or a custom TB could be created, they are nothing more than throttle plate, position sensor and often injector mount. Few of these systems use a mass airflow sensor but I would not completely rule it out if someone wanted to build a system. |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by Dj12midnit on 07/08/12 at 13:15:28 Looks to me like they are getting rid of the entire boulevard line. |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by ZAR on 07/08/12 at 15:51:05 6D63383B64606D67607D090 wrote:
And what supporting evidence have you seen DJ? |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by High_Plains_Thumpr on 07/08/12 at 16:14:10 Or is this just a renaming of the cruisers, similar to when they dropped the Savage, Intruder, Marauder, etc. for S40, S50+, etc.? |
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Title: Re: 2013 The End of the Savage/S40 Say it Aint So! Post by Badass94Cad on 07/09/12 at 10:03:58 7D73282B74707D77706D190 wrote:
What facts back up this claim? |
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