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Title: Savage redline shift points... Post by Serowbot on 06/30/12 at 16:20:34 Note: Please post questions in the Rubberside or PM me... NOTE... Due to speedo error with stock tire,.. the speeds shown on the second chart will show the shift points as your speedometer indicates... ... but,.. with the stock rear tire,.. you real speed will be shown on the first chart... Hope that makes sense... :-?... Stock rear tire...(these are actual shift points, not relative to speedo)(...for speedo shift points, use the 2nd chart, below this one)... http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/serowbot/rerun/SFtPTstock.jpg With a 140/90-15 rear tire... (actual... speedo shift points and actual match...)(this tire size corrects speedo error)... http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/serowbot/rerun/SFtPT140-90-15.jpg |
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Title: Savage redline shift points... Post by Serowbot on 06/30/12 at 16:23:59 I goofed... Adding a speed chart shortly... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by verslagen1 on 06/30/12 at 16:29:30 how did you do your calculations? |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by Serowbot on 06/30/12 at 16:31:33 Gearing Commander... http://www.gearingcommander.com/ |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by Cavi Mike on 06/30/12 at 17:12:32 If one is trying to accelerate as quickly as possible on an engine that's clearly not built to rev high, shift points are really easy to figure out. As soon as the bike feels like it's not accelerating as hard as it was, you're out of its power-band. It's now time to shift. There's no need to focus on any of your gauging. You should never be focused on your gauging in the first place. This is why race cars have shift lights. Even on engines that will rev past their limits, you still should never be focused on your gauging - the light will tell you when you need to shift. Keep your eyes on the road. There is a reason why these bikes don't have tachometers - they don't need one. Learn your bike and it will tell you what you need to know. |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by Serowbot on 06/30/12 at 17:50:53 Yup,.. Cavi's right... and these aren't recommended shift points... these are maximum redline shift points... Your bike will go faster if you get out of that gear before you redline... These are top speeds in each gear... Max torque is somewhere between 3000rpm and 5500rpm... To get good acceleration you want to cross that point in each gear and re-enter it in the next... ... and learn to feel it in yer' pants... :P... |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by Pine on 06/30/12 at 18:36:38 See now my question is ...just how low can you shift? cause I tend bog a good bit. The torque monster dont seem to mind. I generally hit 5th by 40 or so. |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by ralfyguy on 06/30/12 at 18:44:04 I know these bikes don't really need a tach, but I find it so much cooler to have one. I look more at the tach then the speedo. I got so used to it, that I know how fast I am going going by the rpm and what gear I'm in. Anyway, from my experience it seems it is best to shift at around 6,000 rpm the latest, when best acceleration is demanded. Everything beyond will work, but with less pull. Going to 6,500 is pointless on a stock motor, although with a modified exhaust, reset and air intake modifications it is not as useless anymore. On my bike it revs to 6,500 effortless, but still best acceleration is achieved when shifting at 6,000. That means 2nd gear around 50mph, 3rd gear around 70mph and 4th gear a little over 80mph. I still wonder if the bike had enough power to reach 95mph with a longer 5th gear to reduce rpm's at all speeds. |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by ralfyguy on 06/30/12 at 18:49:11 1A23242F3E25384A0 wrote:
That's kinda how I ride it myself. 35mph in 4th gear around town is pretty relaxed riding, and it still pulls hard when cracking it open without having to shift in most cases. This equals to around 2,500rpm. However dropping down to less than that and trying to accelerate still does it, but the motor doesn't seem to like that very much. That's when it starts to "hammer". |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by J C Stokes on 06/30/12 at 22:27:57 116.8 mph? 122.something mph? Has my brian cell fallen out? |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by ZAR on 06/30/12 at 22:37:30 4568727368696E7362070 wrote:
Ya beat me to it JC ;D. I was thinking the same thing...I mean...I've had mine to 90mph on the interstate when passing a line of trucks and had power to spare but those speeds???? Must just be the computer models numbers. |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by verslagen1 on 06/30/12 at 23:02:07 617A693B0 wrote:
Ya beat me to it JC ;D. I was thinking the same thing...I mean...I've had mine to 90mph on the interstate when passing a line of trucks and had power to spare but those speeds???? Must just be the computer models numbers.[/quote] I'll tell you right now that ain't no average savage, that's a super savage. The kind that Oldfeller built, the kind that Lancer has built. |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by Serowbot on 07/01/12 at 01:36:12 567B61607B7A7D6071140 wrote:
If you read the chart,.. those speeds are at 7800rpm... You ain't gettin' there with a Savage... Redline is 97 and 101... ... if you can get there... |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by Oldfeller on 07/01/12 at 03:09:58 584B5C5D424F494B401F2E0 wrote:
Ya beat me to it JC ;D. I was thinking the same thing...I mean...I've had mine to 90mph on the interstate when passing a line of trucks and had power to spare but those speeds???? Must just be the computer models numbers.[/quote] I'll tell you right now that ain't no average savage, that's a super savage. The kind that Oldfeller built, the kind that Lancer has built.[/quote] Terrible truth time -- my bike won't break 100 unless it has a big long flat or down hill straight away. My air resistance "sail" is simply too big, I need more hp to quickly hit higher speeds than that. I would need 60+ hp to run up over 100 mph quickly, as I already have the RPM band to do 90 mph worth of it in 4th gear, finishing it in 5th gear. Next terrible truth, my bike is fast on the Dragon simply because I have just a little more acceleration and I am willing to use it. I don't ride better than BigZuk or Lancer or MMRanch or even Dave, the new guy on the Dragon -- all of them keep cleaner lines and actually clear a turn quicker. Truth be told, I love following behind Zuk so I can watch to see how he does it. He smokes his rear and front brakes he hits them so hard deep in the first part of a turn (his rotor is deep purple by the time he finishes a hard run). He has the experience and guts to do stuff like that. I make up the difference by greater accel in the straight added to some double line cheating when I have an insider with a sight line to see nobody is coming at me. Otherwise Zuk would run away from me. Zuk is the fastest man on the Dragon out of the lot of us guys. Lancer's Rex is clearly the most powerful bike of the lot of us -- but he is prone to breakage so he never gets ridden long enough for Lancer to get fully up to speed on his current configuration. If Lancer ever got up to speed on a Rex (Rex is slightly different pieces every time you see him) all we would see is brake lights fading in the distance. |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/01/12 at 07:18:44 Truth be told, I love following behind Zuk so I can watch to see how he does it. He smokes his rear and front brakes he hits them so hard deep in the first part of a turn (his rotor is deep purple by the time he finishes a hard run). Id better be a real fast learner, cuz IM only gonna get one lesson, cuz if hes doin that, hes gonna be leavin me so far behind Ill never see him enter the 2nd corner. |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by tizzyfit on 07/01/12 at 01:48:47 It's early and I'm stupid, so bear with we. Looking at chart #1, is my thinking correct, in 1st gear, run the RPM's to 6500/36.9 mph before shifting to 2nd? I thought I read someplace to shift from 1st to 2nd @ 21-25 mph range, but the chart is telling me I'm shifting 1000 RPM's too soon. |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by ZAR on 07/01/12 at 08:02:45 49544747445B54493D0 wrote:
Tizz I'm thinking those shift points would be for competition situations. Also,in another thread pertaining to this subject Sero, Versy and Oldfeller point out that the speeds and shift point will vary depending on wether the bike is stock or the amount of modifications. Nothing is ever as simple as we would like it to be! |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by verslagen1 on 07/01/12 at 08:08:29 God help you if you shift every shift at redline. Besides, that's not peak power for a stock savage. Somewhere there are some dyno charts, seek and yee shall find. maybe in the 'more horses' thread. |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by clearush on 07/01/12 at 08:37:53 If the chart was redone with a "normal" shift line to compared to the redline shift line it might be less confusing for some. I know a normal high RPM shift for me is around 5500 rpms |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by Serowbot on 07/01/12 at 09:08:12 I can see that this chart is being wildly misunderstood... I'll make some changes to clarify.... ... but, for now... These are not recommended shift points,... or top speeds... They are mathematical, rpm @ speed relationship for each gear... Sorry,.. I'll do some work on it... |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by verslagen1 on 07/01/12 at 09:19:45 48454D414342484645412C0 wrote:
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/russ_diamond_jim/dynorunS40dj.jpg |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by verslagen1 on 07/01/12 at 09:23:30 http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/russ_diamond_jim/dyno1.jpg http://catoosatrading.com/images/cycles/savage_dyno/Dynobeforeafter.jpg |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by Serowbot on 07/01/12 at 09:45:46 Psst?.. What's the rear tire size on a Ryca?... 18" what?...need recommended width and profile... :-?... PM to Versy... |
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Title: Re: Savage redline shift points... Post by bill67 on 07/01/12 at 10:06:08 I drilled out the plug in the center of the muffler and I could tell it raise the power band,The other thing if the stock was with stock jets,I went up 2 jets on the main jet and it made a different you could really feel.So where would completely stock be but jetted richer,I would guess 2-3 hp,and more torque too but a few rpm higher. |
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