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Title: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/26/12 at 18:38:58 First off want to say hi to everyone and introduce myself. I am new to these savages, but not new to bikes and cars. I currently got a 90 bmw 535i as my daily beater, and got a 54 chevy that I bagged, also got a 51 chevy pickup as my fiances project, and last but not least just picked up this 87 savage for 550bucks because of leaky fork seals and the engine lost power all of a sudden. I figured what the hell and bought it. I quickly started tearing into it The plans for this bike is like all the other ones, stripped down functional bobber. the first thing I did was strip it down to the bare frame as started to see what,i need/didnt. I wanted to keep the stock tank, solo seat, mini rear fender, no front fender, no front brakes for that clean old school look. I also decided to make this bike a hard tail like all the other bikes I have owned/built in the past and made some solid struts for it. Next I kicked off the loose and rusty muffler it had on it and added a straight pipe on. Now I had read how bad these bikes ran with straight pipes so I made a baffle for it out of a lage flat washer that fit inside the pipe and put some steel wool to keep the noise down a bit and also help create a little back pressure. Added a cone filter too while I was at it. Now I need to rejet it. I also replaced the front seals and added new fork oil. Also replaced the petcock with with,the raptor petcock. Next thing was to clean up the wiring. next I jumped to the wiring. I extended all,the wiring to hide it,in my stash tube under my seat. Also why I was at it removed/relocated my controls on my left side handle bar. Relocated my,headlight switch to the headlight, and mounted my turnsignal and horn button under the left side tank also made a set of drag bars and some 10in z bars. For the rear fender I got a rear fender off of like a 70/80's suzuki,from a friends bone yard. Cut it down and vuala! Now to paint. original plan was to paint the bike a burnt copper & call it done buuut a friend egged me on to flake out the paint so we added the flake. Thats where we ran into problems. The clear he had reacted with the paint I had and we had to start AALLL over again. This,time we used some left over paint he had which was called orange effect. We also flaked out this color and we were both waaay happier with the color. And this is where I am at now. im at the engine part of the build the engine was knocking a bit but havent gotten to it yet. I guess im at the point where I have to open it up. That is why I ended up here lol. I hope I can get this bike running soon I will post pics soons when I get the chance. I hope I can help u all out and can learn from you all as well! Thanks, Chriz. I know im forgeting some info.... Any question comments & sugestion are welcomed |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Serowbot on 06/26/12 at 18:53:01 Oh yea?... I don't believe a word of it... ;D... Not 'till you get us some pics... ;)... Welcome... |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by SimonTuffGuy on 06/26/12 at 18:56:03 Sounds like a nice transformation. Looking forward to some pictures of the cleaned up controls and wiring... That's a future project for my bobber build too. Little concerned about the front brake, as that provides a lot more braking power than the rear.... But whatever makes you happy. :) |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/26/12 at 19:01:14 The day I picked it up http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/5Nb5K85H63E43G93Jcc64032c846e55c61f61.jpg http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/5N85O15F53Me3F93Hdc649c3078d3cd02149d.jpg Starting to strip it down http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-07_10-49-32_496.jpg Front fender chopped down trying to make it work license plate relocated. http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-07_10-49-05_729.jpg Rear fender I picked up http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-08_11-50-44_208.jpg |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/26/12 at 19:08:29 New fender cut, welded shut, primed & mocked up. With mini turn signals added http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-14_18-10-16_940.jpg Bike mocked up as a whole http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-09_19-06-52_499.jpg Frame painted/engine painted/forks painted & rebuilt with first color on rear fender http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-21_14-34-54_288.jpg Engine fins polished up for a little bling http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-16_18-50-25_3.jpg |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/26/12 at 19:16:13 First color http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/55_imagejpeg_2.jpg Front shot with z bars I made and hidden/smoked mini turn signals http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-20_19-19-33_592.jpg Second color http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-22_22-28-11_954.jpg http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/062312211849.jpg And how she sits as of now. Still waiting for friend to finish wet sanding rear fender http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-23_19-27-14_136.jpg |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/26/12 at 19:21:24 Here are some more random mock up pics http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-12_15-13-36_54.jpg http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-12_15-13-28_310.jpg http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-11_12-25-37_188.jpg http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/061212171703f.jpg |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by WD on 06/26/12 at 21:30:10 Not bad. Can't wait to see it finished up. Love the color. Rear fender said Suzuki on the dealer sticker, but it looks like an XS650 unit. Have one in my stash. When I still ran a stock tank I finished the seam off with edge molding. Something unfinished looking about the stock tanks. Z-bars all the way man... You're at about the same stage I am on mine. Waiting on the rear fender to be finished (but since I'm painting mine...)... I never should have started repainting mine... was a nice pearl burnt copper... http://ravenscroftart.net/watchtower/chikstik1web.jpg |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by splash07 on 06/26/12 at 22:04:13 THat bike looked good for an '87, someone took real good care of her. But, now she looks badda$$. Great job on everything. Personally I like the low look of the drag bars much better than the mini apes or z bars. |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/26/12 at 22:18:34 Thanks guys, it was a little beat up and neglected but all it needed was a little tcl, grinder, a welder, and some paint and it has made a world of a difference ;D On the bars I am torn between the 2 lol I have always used drags on everything but wanred to mix it up a bit on this build. But I got both bars so I can mix it up when ever I feel like it. ;) |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Cavi Mike on 06/27/12 at 01:55:59 Where'd you get that fender? A little off-topic, that an E34 in the background? Have you got any more pics of that? |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by SimonTuffGuy on 06/27/12 at 03:42:48 That color is awesome! Very slick. |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/27/12 at 07:34:05 6A485F406440424C290 wrote:
The fender I got from a friend motorcycle scrap yard Here is some pics of the e34 http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2011-03-03111055.jpg http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2011-03-03111544.jpg http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2010-12-01110404.jpg http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2011-03-03110810.jpg http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2011-03-03111612.jpg |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/27/12 at 07:36:51 4A707476774D6C7F7F5E6C60190 wrote:
Thanks, u should see it in person, the pics dont do it justice |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/12 at 08:39:48 I see by the sign on the propane tank you live where it gets Hot,, Where are you? We went to Big Bend one summer & camped for 10 days,, it was brutal, but it was fun, |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/27/12 at 08:56:28 Lol yeah it gets hot down here. Im in edinburg, Tx. I live about 4hrs south west of big bend. All this last couple of weeks my cars outside temp gauge has been reading between 100-117. It is crazy... And we are only gona get hotter. The humidity it what makes it suck even more. |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/29/12 at 11:35:01 Here is some recent updates. Got my fender back, from my friend, and installed it. Almost done. Just waiting on carb kit from lancer and waiting to make a longer clutch cable. http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-29_11-38-43_30.jpg http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-29_11-39-02_125.jpg |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by lch2 on 06/29/12 at 11:40:54 Looking good, I dig the black paint on the engine covers, starter, etc Congrats |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by elitemunkeycrew on 06/29/12 at 11:42:40 7572696F72797E756F74671D0 wrote:
I'm in AZ right now but my family lives Rio Grande Valley. I go to Harlingen and Primera for XMAS maybe I can come by and check out the bike in person one day. The bike looks really nice I can't wait to get mine finished. |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by splash07 on 06/29/12 at 12:02:00 that bike looks.............................................................AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/29/12 at 13:28:57 6E67627F6E667E65606E7268796E7C0B0 wrote:
I'm in AZ right now but my family lives Rio Grande Valley. I go to Harlingen and Primera for XMAS maybe I can come by and check out the bike in person one day. The bike looks really nice I can't wait to get mine finished.[/quote] Thanks every one. I cant wait to cruise it, yeah man, definetly Im down. |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by rfw2003 on 06/29/12 at 13:37:55 I'm not much of one for bobber builds, but I'm really diggin yours. That looks great. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/29/12 at 13:40:29 When I got the bike it had loss power, and wouldnt go over 30mph and it had a slight tick to it. I opened it up to check the infamous timing chain tensioner. I noticed that the cover had been opened before so I was kind of worried. I opened it up and saw that the chain and tension were good and looked like they had been replaced before. But as I looked on the inside of the side cover I noticed it had some gouges in it. And as I looked behind the chain it look the same as well.. I cranked it over in quick cranks,(not turning it on) and the chain doesnt seem to have any play in it.. I guess I am gona check valve adjustment to see if anything is going on up there... :-[ Do you all see anything wrong, anything im missing?... http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-29_14-45-46_863.jpg http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-29_14-46-49_23.jpg http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/hotrodchriz/2012-06-29_14-46-35_139.jpg |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by verslagen1 on 06/29/12 at 14:58:18 The plunger is pretty well extended for a new chain. maybe they kept the old guides, if you replace the rear one, the plunger will go in at least 3mm. The one I replaced had moderate wear, if that one is worse, then you'll get more. check the cam timing if you got no power, a newb can easily mis-time it. Set it on exactly TDC on the case marks and look where the cam timing marks are. If they line up with the head exactly, it's a new chain. slightly up, used chain. anywhere else and it's mis-timed. |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/29/12 at 15:09:38 33203736292422202B74450 wrote:
Any links on how to check this |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by rfw2003 on 06/29/12 at 15:18:34 3D3A21273A31363D273C2F550 wrote:
Any links on how to check this [/quote] That would be in the Tech section. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1191167029 R.F. |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/12 at 15:51:45 YOuve checked the vales, right? If someone did them at TDC exhaust, it wont run right at all..IF at all.. |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/29/12 at 15:52:35 Well.... I measured the plunger and its at exactly .75... Time to order new chain, guides, and oil plug while im at it... :-[ It does have a little over 17k miles on it |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/29/12 at 15:58:45 27383E3924231222122A38347F4D0 wrote:
No not yet. Need to check that. I am leanibg twords timing chain because it would turn on, & idle good, but if you would rev WOT it wouldnt rev much and it had a funky rattle inside. |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/12 at 16:20:55 686F74726F64636872697A000 wrote:
We carried water in spray bottles & took turns spritsing each other,,woulda melted right into the canyon floor w/o that. |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/29/12 at 16:23:33 Lol sitting under the tree right now without doing anything you start sweating like crazy |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by rfw2003 on 06/29/12 at 16:28:26 6C6B70766B60676C766D7E040 wrote:
That's the way it is here right now. I've stopped mid upgrade on all my lighting because of the heat and haven't been able to ride in about a week now. I'm wishing now I had a garage or something to work in where at the cover and fan would do some good. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/29/12 at 16:29:41 Anybody know a place to get a good price on chain, tension & guide? Bikebandit wants 113 for chain, 40 for guide, and 72 for tensioner.... |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/12 at 16:39:21 You dont need a tensioner,,relax! If youre tite on $$$ rite now, you could get your tensioner Verslavied,, ( I KNOW thats a word!) & just do that & start shopping for a chain & guide for the day when the Verslavy just doesnt keep it tite enough, I have a chain, used, dont remember the measurement, but, w/o a Verslavy, IIRC, I think it woulda made another 5,000 miles,. Id let it go Chip..or Ill use it when I sell the bike, & when you get your new gasket, just stick it on the side cover & let that dry solid, grease the inside. No gasket needed after that., |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/29/12 at 16:46:52 bikebandit lists it as the tension. Im not saying the tension assembly(plunger), i mean the cam chain tensioner arm on the rear side of the engine where the chain rides. |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by verslagen1 on 06/29/12 at 17:48:52 47405B5D404B4C475D46552F0 wrote:
Yep, rear guide is known as tensioner remember, all these names are translated by someone who doesn't understand what they are. :-? |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/30/12 at 12:59:35 706374756A6761636837060 wrote:
Yep, rear guide is known as tensioner remember, all these names are translated by someone who doesn't understand what they are. :-?[/quote] Very true |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/30/12 at 14:55:51 IIRC, only 1 guide can be replaced w/o pupling the head., |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by verslagen1 on 06/30/12 at 15:21:17 4C5355524F4879497941535F14260 wrote:
My translator don't know WTF that is either ;D |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 06/30/12 at 15:53:54 6E7D6A6B74797F7D7629180 wrote:
My translator don't know WTF that is either ;D[/quote] Lol yeah I saw that too. ;D Im gona just do it all. Replace chain, tensioner, guide & oil plug while im at it. I would hate to have to open it all up again for a single thing, and that way I know that it was all replaced at the same time. I would hate to relplace just the guide and tensioner and the chain still be loose and then have to open it again, or remove the head, put it back on and then have it leak oil from the plug. This is gona push back my completion date, but it will be worth it because I will know my engines standing. It will have cone filter, jet kit from lancer, exhaust, and all timing components relplaced, and I will check/adjust the valves as well on top off a new battery, and fork seals replaced... ::) |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by DangRider on 07/01/12 at 14:37:57 I like the blacked out look you've set up on the engine - thinking about doing the same. Is there any prep-work I should be aware of besides cleaning/de-greasing? What type of paint did you use? - thanks |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by Hotrodchriz on 07/01/12 at 16:36:40 No nuthing special, just wash/degrease very good, then a light scuff to make sure the paint will stick. I used engine paint. |
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Title: Re: Newbie here/ 87 bobber build Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/02/12 at 18:05:28 You guys dont know what pupling is? Seriously?? Dang,, I had no idea I was surrounded by IJJITS!!! I thot Everybody knew about pupling by now,, dang,, Im so disappointed in you guys,, It is "To make a student of".. Okay,, Im busted,, I cant tpye,, & just because I dont carry doesnt mean Im not an idiot. waitaMINNIT,, I dont think that came out right,, |
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