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Message started by martinfilms34 on 06/22/12 at 12:25:39

Title: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by martinfilms34 on 06/22/12 at 12:25:39

I've been having some starting problems lately. Its weird, because it'll start just about perfectly the first time i try to start it. But if i shut it off and try again then it won't start at all.
After waiting a couple minutes, I'm able to start it back up normally.

Attached is a video of the problem I'm having. Take a look and help me out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKuJ35f1L0A&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/22/12 at 12:42:31

How long do you have to run it to make this happen? Start, run for 20 seconds, kill & wont start?

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by lch2 on 06/22/12 at 12:42:43

Have you measured the voltage on your battery, looks to me that is going down when the starter is pressed, maybe after sitting a couple of minutes it recovers some energy and it is able to start the engine

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by Routy on 06/22/12 at 12:44:00

It is either a discharged battery, or bad battery, or a battery/starter connection.
Your bike does not have the headlite cutout while starting, that much more the reason it needs a full charged battery to start.
The dead give away is the headlite dimming down to about 8 volts.
This bikes ignition needs at least 10.5 volts to start,.....and thats while it is cranking. Yours is hardly even cranking.

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/22/12 at 12:44:04

Dangitt Ichy,, thats where I was headed.. battery just on the cusp of being wimpy.

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by martinfilms34 on 06/22/12 at 12:44:27

6D7274736E6958685860727E35070 wrote:

How long do you have to run it to make this happen? Start, run for 20 seconds, kill & wont start?

Run it for a few minutes, on half choke or else itll die too.
And the voltage of my battery while the bike is off reads at just over 12v.
13.3v while running

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by lch2 on 06/22/12 at 12:46:53

Measure the battery while cranking, pretty sure it is going below 10V

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by EJID on 06/22/12 at 12:51:55

Surely looks/sounds like a battery problem to me as well. Have you double checked your connections to make sure they are tight? Also, have you checked the ground connection by the oil sight glass to make sure it is getting a good tight connection too?

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by martinfilms34 on 06/22/12 at 12:52:55

All Connections are tight, that what i thought the problem was and cleaned and tightened all of the connections. I'll go test it while it cranks right now.

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by Routy on 06/22/12 at 12:54:24

Did you know that a standing voltage of 12.0 volts is a "dead battery"

A good battery must have a standing voltage of at least 12.5

A new battery will stand at 12.7-8

A 5 yr old battery (like mine) mite stand at 12.4, and still start the bike w/ the headlite cutout. But all batteries are different, and not dependable if they don't stand at 12.5-6

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by martinfilms34 on 06/22/12 at 12:55:48

Yup, the battery read at 9.89 while cranking the first time, and went down to 7 the second time

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by lch2 on 06/22/12 at 13:02:06

6338352E2D30352E31540 wrote:

Yup, the battery read at 9.89 while cranking the first time, and went down to 7 the second time

Time for a new one

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by martinfilms34 on 06/22/12 at 13:03:38

Guess it is, any recommendations guys?

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by Routy on 06/22/12 at 13:04:40

It does sound like your charging system could be working correctly at 12.3 on a sick battery. You can expect the voltage to be higher on a full charged battery, possibly 13.7. As battery voltage goes up, so does charging voltage.

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by lch2 on 06/22/12 at 13:06:06

I've heard a lot here about the Big Crank battery, also I have read some about the Ballistic batteries, but no personal experience, the experts are about to chime in with recommendations!

Someday will be trying the Ballistic, but not soon (I hope) ;)

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by Cavi Mike on 06/22/12 at 13:09:17

The battery voltage needs to be higher than 12v, at the very least 12.5v. The battery is no good. Batteries aren't rated by their full-charge voltage, they're rated by the average between charged and discharged states. If a 12v lead-acid battery can't even reach 12.5 after coming right off the charging system, it's definitely no good.

This is my battery that has been sitting for over 3 weeks.

http://cavimike.com/battery01.JPG

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/22/12 at 13:36:38

If you dont have a charger, get one, & if you go into the battery, now is a good time to put a pigtail on it so you can plug in a float charger. If you can solder, you can get a coupla Phono jacks from Radio shack & build up a simple plug in setup for the float charger,
You mite just need to add water & charge it.

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by Cavi Mike on 06/22/12 at 13:46:59

Not all batteries can be refilled with water. I don't know if mine is an OEM battery but it's a sealed battery nonetheless.

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by verslagen1 on 06/22/12 at 13:48:57

6D363B20233E3B203F5A0 wrote:

It maybe you decomp is out of adjustment.
If it clicks once, that's the decomp activating.
Secound click is the starter relay.
if the decomp is out of adjustment and it's on the compression stroke, the starter will just stall.
Multiple clicks after that is the starter relay droping out cause of low voltage and re-engaging when the battery recovers.

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by martinfilms34 on 06/22/12 at 14:05:54

0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 wrote:

I charged it last night and im still having the problem. Voltage is dropping very low while cranking though

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by verslagen1 on 06/22/12 at 14:31:56

702B263D3E23263D22470 wrote:

I charged it last night and im still having the problem. Voltage is dropping very low while cranking though

Unless there's a short somewhere... you gotta bad battery.

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by martinfilms34 on 06/22/12 at 15:01:17

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and order a replacement.

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by Routy on 06/22/12 at 15:58:03

I can only stress one thing, get an AGM battery like the Big Crank. Checking the electrolyte level in a lead acid battery twice a year is nothing more than a great big PITA !!

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by martinfilms34 on 06/22/12 at 16:24:24

Thanks for the help, Routy it looks like the fwd controls will have to wait again, I cant have fwd controls for a bike that doesnt start!

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by 360k+ on 06/22/12 at 16:51:40

If you can jump start from another battery (car or truck), then it's the battery for sure. You can ground the neg side of jumper anywhere on the frame or motor, but the pos side needs to contact either the +bat terminal or the battery side of the starter solenoid to make sure the ignition and decomp circuits work as normal. BE CAREFUL, if the pos jumper lead hits ground it shorts out both batteries!

Another possibly safer route is to disconnect the bike battery's leads (neg first), then clip the alligator leads right onto the terminal leads; essentially replacing the bike battery. Again, make sure the pos lead doesn't vibrate around after starting and hit ground at anytime, or you'll have an early 4th of july.

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by wambr on 06/23/12 at 11:53:28

6C6379627E786B69616F780A0 wrote:

yea! i think the battery is dead :-[

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by 1999savage on 06/23/12 at 13:01:56

Best bet is shop around for a cheap battery. Dont know if your in the US or Canada. Here in Canada the cheapest is Walmart. I just bought My Savage but from my previous bikes if seen batteries usually last for 2 maybe 3 years so no need to go crazy and buy an expensive top of the line battery.

thats just my 2 cents

:)

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by martinfilms34 on 06/23/12 at 20:30:19

^Exactly what I'm gonna have to do. Im gonna have to go the cheaper rout on a battery. I have to spend money on other things and i cant affford to drop 90 dollars on a battery.

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by Routy on 06/23/12 at 21:41:32

51595959130116010705600 wrote:

And 3 guesses why they last only 2-3 yrs.
It isn't hard to make any battery last 6-8 even 10 yrs. The secret is to keep it watered, and to keep it as fully charged as possible at all times.
The first time you let a battery go stone dead for more than 12-24 hrs, you have taken probably a year off its life. And if you let it run dry while charging, you have most likely done permanent damage to it, not to speak of how much you have shortened its life. And this is why I stress to replace w/ an AGM.....sealed lead acid battery, because the Savage is such a PITA to water the battery, that sooner or later the battery will run dry.

Therefore, if you keep it charged, you will be money ahead to spend the higher price for the maintenence free battery that will most likely never run dry.
It seems I've seen the "Big Crank" for $60-70 linked here.

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by martinfilms34 on 06/24/12 at 10:21:01

I ended up purchasing a battery online. I bough an AGM battery, that looks to be very good, price is awesome, and free shipping, plus 24 month warranty from what looks like to be a reputable seller.
I will let you guys know how the battery turns out, if all is well, I would recommend it. Just for the price.

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by martinfilms34 on 06/27/12 at 10:21:02

Hey, guys a little update on the battery situation. I just got it in the mail, installed and my bike starts up better than ever!
It looks like my days of praying before i attempt to start it are over.

Now, alittle info on the battery i got. I got an AGM battery, for a whopping 38.00 and free shipping. If any body wants the info of the exact battery i got let me know. If this battery ends up holding well, it can become a cheaper alternative to the Big Crank and such other more expensive AGM batteries.

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by lch2 on 06/27/12 at 10:25:58

2279746F6C71746F70150 wrote:

Good to hear your bike is starting better than ever, ride safe!

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by AlphaBarney on 06/27/12 at 15:59:14

In the market for a new battery...info please!!
Cheapest Big Crank I found was ~$70 on BatteryMart.com

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by martinfilms34 on 06/27/12 at 20:41:16

The battery that I bought is from a company called ChromBattery. Check tem out. I purchased mine from ebay, and as of now it is working perfectly, starting up everytime without on problem at all. Search chrome battery Suzuki savage on eBay, it was 38 bucks with free shipping, 18 month warranty, and the store was American too. Got to me in 3 days.

Title: Re: Starting Problem- VIDEO INCLUDED
Post by AlphaBarney on 06/28/12 at 03:23:28

Thanks!

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Post by Digger on 07/30/12 at 21:13:22

09525F44475A5F445B3E0 wrote:

OK....I give up....I can't find this seller.

Does anyone have a link?