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Message started by SaVaGeEaRL on 06/21/12 at 05:19:11

Title: Anyone else use this plug?
Post by SaVaGeEaRL on 06/21/12 at 05:19:11

I've had it installed since march, seems to do ok. wondering if its really better than iridium. never used iridium myself though. part number is BR12ZC

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad221/mMxEaRL/137f37de.jpg

Title: Re: Anyone else use this plug?
Post by 360k+ on 06/21/12 at 09:43:43

I haven't used it, but it sure looks cool. Of course, lots of bass lures look cool; they just don't catch bass. 8-)

Title: Re: Anyone else use this plug?
Post by Serowbot on 06/21/12 at 10:14:57

That plug,... just might catch some bass... :-?...

Title: Re: Anyone else use this plug?
Post by ralfyguy on 06/21/12 at 10:43:41

Sure looks like a long way for the spark...

Title: Re: Anyone else use this plug?
Post by Savage_Rob on 06/21/12 at 16:11:39

Interesting. More reading for me to do...

Title: Re: Anyone else use this plug?
Post by SaVaGeEaRL on 06/22/12 at 04:14:53

7E6D606A756B79750C0 wrote:

Sure looks like a long way for the spark...

Yea the white electrode on the actual plug does not stick out like in the picture on the box. Its length matches up perfectly with the ngk I took out.

Title: Re: Anyone else use this plug?
Post by Dave on 06/22/12 at 06:28:39

Looking for performance gains from a spark plug does not do much. The Savage is mildly tuned, and even a standard style plug provides all the spark needed. An Iridium Plug, or one with special alloy tips may last longer - but won't really add any performance or mileage increases. When I was young and easily confused I tried the double and quadruple electrode plugs.....and they never did anything noticeable.

You can be sure that if there were gains to be made by fancy spark plugs, they would be original equipment. OEM manufacturers are spending millions of dollars in research to get better mileage and performance - and it a spark plug would help they would install them as standard equipment.

Title: Re: Anyone else use this plug?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/22/12 at 06:45:53

OEM manufacturers are spending millions of dollars in research to get better mileage and performance - and it a spark plug would help they would install them as standard equipment.

Whats this? Hey! Dont come in here & try to derail a good thread with clear thinking & logic!
Of all the nerve,, I say we ban this guy before he ruins the place.

Title: Re: Anyone else use this plug?
Post by SaVaGeEaRL on 06/22/12 at 07:21:22

6B505D4A5B574C4A5159544B380 wrote:

thats not always true though. I know as far as cars go, manufacturers do not want the car to last long so you'll be buying another one. there are always better ways of gettin perfomance that the manufacturer simple will not do. the savage is purposely made to run lean to pass emissions. whos to say they use a cheap plug instead of a performance plug for the same reason. This plug runs better than the stock non iridium plug. but I've never used an iridium so dunno how it compares to it.

Title: Re: Anyone else use this plug?
Post by Dave on 06/22/12 at 08:12:11

5D4740454243555C300 wrote:

[quote author=6B505D4A5B574C4A5159544B380 link=1340281152/0#6 date=1340371719] I know as far as cars go, manufacturers do not want the car to last long so you'll be buying another one. there are always better ways of gettin perfomance that the manufacturer simple will not do. the savage is purposely made to run lean to pass emissions. whos to say they use a cheap plug instead of a performance plug for the same reason.

I don't believe that manufacturers build in a "shelf life" and purposely provide a limited amount of life. When I was young cars with 100,000 miles were worn out, cylinders were badly worn and had ridges at the top where the rings didn't travel, rings were worn out, seals and guides were gone. We just sold my wife's Jetta with 264,000 miles on it and it still ran great and didn't burn any oil. The Honda it replaced had 212,000 miles on it. The cars are engineered to get good fuel mileage, meet emmisions standards, and be affordable. The design is a balance of cost vs. benefit vs. regulations......not designed obsolescence. As far as performance mods from manufacturers.....most of the performance improvements claimed by the aftermarket companies improve performance at the cost of mpg, reliability or noise.....and the claimed improvements only occur at maximum throttle as measured on a dyno. Real world improvements are generally marginal.

A cheap plug will not provide better emmision standard than a performance plug. A spark plug needs to provide a good spark - nothing more, and the standard (quality) plug can easily provide the necessary spark. Most of manufacturers use the exotic metal tipped plugs to extend the replacement interval - not to improve performance.

If you think differently.....put it to the test. Put a new standard plug in and go for a ride.....and find a hill with sign post or some landmark. Pass the landmark in high gear at a low speed that does not lug the engine and roll on the throttle and find out what your speed is as you pass another landmark.....or time yourself between 30 and 60. Then do the same with your performance plug....and see if there is any difference. The test should be repeated a few times and with the same headwinds, temperatures, etc. to be consistant.

Title: Re: Anyone else use this plug?
Post by Cavi Mike on 06/22/12 at 11:26:49

102B2631202C37312A222F30430 wrote:

I don't believe that manufacturers build in a "shelf life" and purposely provide a limited amount of life.

It's called "Planned Obsolescence" and yes, it's very real, and manufacturers do it whether you choose to believe it or not. Not so much in cars because they always break down and wear out but in things like computers, standards constantly change so you can't take new parts and put them in your old computer to keep it up-to-date. Manufacturers could easily keep using old sockets and wiring but they don't.

And Gaming systems. Oh yeah, gaming systems. Microsoft and Sony are notorious for this. How many people still have a working original playstation? How about xbox? But a working Nintendo? Oh yeah, there are TONS of those things still around. Nintendo built their products out of the best materials and their only faults were design flaws which were remedied in subsequent models(hello 72-pin connector).

Planned obsolescence is very real. Manufacturers can't keep prices down if they never sell products due to them lasting forever.

Title: Re: Anyone else use this plug?
Post by 360k+ on 06/23/12 at 08:39:39

665D5047565A41475C545946350 wrote:

When I was young and easily confused...

You can be sure that if there were gains to be made by fancy spark plugs, they would be original equipment. OEM manufacturers are spending millions of dollars in research to get better mileage and performance - and it a spark plug would help they would install them as standard equipment.

Now you are old and easily confused. ;)

The thing is, the manufacturers put out specs and take bids on products that MEET specs. While they could install $20 golden spark plugs OEM, it is unclear whether they would unless it gained them some competitive bragging points (marketing advantage).

Title: Re: Anyone else use this plug?
Post by wambr on 06/23/12 at 11:44:39

looks cool! I don't know how this will work, but I used a spark used these on my Urals. worked pretty well.