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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fender /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1340024511 Message started by Badass94Cad on 06/18/12 at 06:01:50 |
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Title: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fender Post by Badass94Cad on 06/18/12 at 06:01:50 Let me preface this by saying I don't have the time, place, equipment, or skill to make my own rear fender. I love the design of the rear fender. It's short and contoured to the tire. But the downside is you "must" run the stock size tire (140/80-15). That's great, if you like blackwall, but for those of us who want a whitewall, all the stock sized whitewalls have been discontinued, leaving a multitude of 150/90-15, and one 140/90-15 that I managed to find. So I contacted Lance to inquire about what it would take to run one of the bigger options. At best, the 140/90 is about 1/4" more in sidewall. I asked if there was a way to re-drill or slot the fender brace to raise it and accommodate the difference in height. (I also suggested that they reconsider the design to accommodate whitewall tire options). He replied: "The problem isn't the rear struts as much as the front bracket and the clearance from the fender to the frame when the suspension is bottomed. There just isn't much room in the small area back there. Suzuki made the bike small and light and it's a tough one to get everything to fit." Maybe those of you who got it or have seen it can elaborate...Based on the pictures, I was under the assumption that the fender mounts to the swingarm to hug the tire tight. Is this incorrect? Can you describe or show a better picture of how it mounts? I'm assuming too that it doesn't connect to the stock fender frame mounts. Does anybody think this is possible to redrill or slot their fender struts, or fab new ones to raise the fender height by about 1/4"? It's a lot easier to do that than make a new fender that looks like theirs. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Badass94Cad on 06/18/12 at 06:04:05 He also said that Bike Bandit has the stock tire in whitewall, and he was sure the Suzuki dealer could get the right tire as well. Unfortunately, neither is true. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/18/12 at 07:05:33 If the problem only arises when its bottomed out,, then, not bottoming the shocks could be a good plan, I dont think Ive ever done it, A guy could strap a stick on the shock & a black marker on the swingarm & measure max travel in a normal day. Or, easier would be a stick on the swingarm & a marker on the seat. I think I could measure it if I cared to., |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Bubba on 06/18/12 at 09:10:07 I too, am interested in how this might be accomplished with the BCB fender. I'm running a pirelli right now and was also told by BCB that this fender won't fit. Without having to buy the fender I'd like to see how this thing mounts. It sure seems to me that if the fender mounts to the swingarm and the arms for the struts were just a bit longer you wouldn't run into having it bottom out....BUT, I've neve seen closeups of how it's mounted... |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by skeebo on 06/18/12 at 11:00:03 You can limit the the travel of the stock shocks by adding a spacer to the bumpstop. A 1/4 inch spacer stopped my tire rub and I didn't notice a difference in the ride at all. BCB is just not going to tell you to do that. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Badass94Cad on 06/18/12 at 12:09:07 746C62626568070 wrote:
I was thinking a spacer might work, so I'm glad you suggested that. :) You didn't use the BCB fender on your bike though, right? If I remember, I thought you went in a different direction. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Greg on 06/18/12 at 12:19:34 41595757505D320 wrote:
How is this done? I searched but couldn't find any instructions. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by skeebo on 06/18/12 at 13:17:57 This is my fiberglass fender. My shocks travel about 1 5/8 which gives me about 2 3/8 of travel at the wheel. The principals the same if you mount a hugger type fender. I use a f/glass fender which is about 3 times as thick as a steel one. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by spacepirates on 06/18/12 at 14:37:30 3A222C2C2B26490 wrote:
Do you have a source for that, or did you make it? Hugger fenders (in my opinion) look fantastic, but they are hard to find and are typically really expensive when you do find them. Some people have used front fenders from other bikes but it is kind of hard to pick those up without knowing for sure if they'd work. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by skeebo on 06/18/12 at 15:38:00 It's a 15 dollar fender from a swap meet...It was a lot a bigger before I started carving on it, could have left a lot more on if that was the look I wanted. Great thing about f/glass is strength to weight is high, and it's super stiff.......no struts for that roadster look. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Badass94Cad on 06/18/12 at 16:36:37 Skeebo (or others), do you have to disassemble the shock to get a spacer on the shaft under the bumpstop, I assume? IDK... And for those with the BCB kit - any idea on clearance, or if moving the fender up is possible? The sidewall is actually .6" higher when I did the calculation so please help me figure out what kind of space or mods are possible before I drop a bunch of coin on a fender and a tire that won't work together. ;) |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by spacepirates on 06/18/12 at 18:21:20 627A7474737E110 wrote:
I wonder.... I see these fiberglass body repair kits for <$20. Could I use the existing tire to form the fiberglass and make my own perfect fender with a bit of sanding and painting? I've never dealt with fiberglass. maybe they have some "fiberglass for idiots" thing I can look up.... |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by SimonTuffGuy on 06/18/12 at 18:42:01 I picked up a BCB fender by itself and plan on making mounts for it myself... So, if you picked up that from BCB, why couldn't you mount it whatever way you wanted and move the mounts where you need them to accomodate a bigger tire (taller, not necessarily wider)? The BCB kit puts the fender right at the back of the swingarm (where their clamp piece mounts around)... So, you could make it so that it mounted further up on the swingarm to give more clearance... Or make longer mounts to raise the fender up a bit taller. I'm almost considering buying their full kit just to have the parts that I need, and then sell of the seat mount and whatnot as extras to cover some of the expense. That's the easy way to make it work... But I'd like to craft something myself too. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by skeebo on 06/18/12 at 19:29:01 0526232634347E73042623470 wrote:
progressive..and others sell stops that are two halves, I'm not sure what's available for our shock. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by skeebo on 06/18/12 at 21:44:30 2E2D3C3E382D342F3C29382E5D0 wrote:
I wonder.... I see these fiberglass body repair kits for <$20. Could I use the existing tire to form the fiberglass and make my own perfect fender with a bit of sanding and painting? I've never dealt with fiberglass. maybe they have some "fiberglass for idiots" thing I can look up....[/quote] Don't waste your money on those kits....It's a waxed resin which wont laminate or build layers without a lot of work in between applications. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Badass94Cad on 06/19/12 at 06:04:11 43797D7F7E44657676576569100 wrote:
Well, that was my original question. ;) |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by skeebo on 06/19/12 at 06:52:42 exactly.....mount the fender wherever you want, If it touches the frame limit the travel......I think that you will lose about a 1/2 inch. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by spacepirates on 06/19/12 at 06:54:57 5C444A4A4D402F0 wrote:
point taken, the more you know.... |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Badass94Cad on 06/19/12 at 10:08:05 BAH!!! I called Cycle Gear and the 140/90-15 is ONLY blackwall, just like everything else! Looks like the only choice is 150/90-15, and that's got a .9" taller sidewall!!! :o |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Badass94Cad on 06/19/12 at 10:42:24 So now I'm really looking for some insight from those with the BCB rear fender. Pics maybe? :-/ |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by ToesNose on 06/19/12 at 12:56:14 Have you considered "White Walling" your existing tires? http://www.mbzponton.org/valueadded/other/tirepaint.htm |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by teabowl13 on 06/19/12 at 13:56:16 3536272523362F3427322335460 wrote:
(I know this is going back a few posts, but I was catching up...) I'm doing a RYCA-esque thing with an 18" rear wheel, so this won't help you directly BUT.... I did exactly that, and what I did was to decide my tire size first, then look for fenders I liked the look of on Ebay; ( I just did a general search for "Vintage Front Fender", but you could drop the "Vintage" part for yours and get more choices...) I looked mostly at larger bikes; knowing they'd have larger wheels, and when I found one that I liked the look of, I checked that make and model to see if it would use that same tire size for their front tires. Sounds like a PITA, but it actually didn't take me too long to land on the right one for me; '76 Goldwing. Still working out how it gets attached exactly, but it'll be mounted to the swingarm hugging the tire, just like it would on the Goldwing front end. Fits the tire perfectly!... http://p1.bikepics.com/2012/03/13/bikepics-2364558-full.jpg http://p1.bikepics.com/2011/12/10/bikepics-2314666-full.jpg |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by SimonTuffGuy on 06/19/12 at 14:26:26 http://www.pimptiva.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=4916&g2_serialNumber=2 http://www.pimptiva.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=4919&g2_serialNumber=2 http://www.pimptiva.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=4922&g2_serialNumber=2 Those are pictures of the fender sitting on top of the tire without any sort of mounts. I'm still debating what the best way is to handle it is still. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Badass94Cad on 06/19/12 at 18:40:49 Tebowl, very good idea. I may end up going that route or trailer fender if I have to. Simon, nice pics. Is that the BCB fender? What size tire? |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Badass94Cad on 06/19/12 at 18:48:08 Not much space to the front of the swingarm. A taller tire would probably need that front most section of fender chopped. I wonder what else... |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by SimonTuffGuy on 06/20/12 at 15:02:49 That is BCB fender without any sorts of mounts. They sell them by themselves for $125 + shipping. That's the route I went for now. I may go back and pickup the whole kit just to have the axle and mounts and then sell off the seat and mount, but we'll see. Stock rear tire (which needs replaced this season). Again - that is not mounted to anything at this point. So technically you could mount it anywhere along the rear swingarm there as far front as it would allow (and then up or down as much as you made the mounts go). I've got a local guy looking at it sometime this week to see what he thinks on fabbing custom mounts. If it's too much hassle, I'll just pickup the kit and sell of the parts I don't use to make some of my $$ back. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Cavi Mike on 06/20/12 at 17:01:47 I have to chime in here on this fender. I've seen this fender on peoples bikes and, in a tire-hugging position, it clearly doesn't have the same curvature as the tire. If the tire was larger in diameter, I think the fender would actually look better. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by skeebo on 06/21/12 at 07:33:00 It's next to impossible to find a fender that has 15'' radius....maybe something from the scooter family...ha |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Badass94Cad on 06/22/12 at 20:32:30 Any pics of the BCB fender mounted? |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by SimonTuffGuy on 06/22/12 at 23:41:53 Mine? Not yet... Waiting for a friend with some fab skills to assist. Our schedules just haven't meshed yet. Although from Google searching, I think I want them to look something like this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LNHRMlPDZMI/TAURbh9UFZI/AAAAAAAAXdA/54rVqE9M1NE/s1600/IMG_5542.JPG |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Badass94Cad on 06/23/12 at 11:44:17 Anybody's installed pics will do. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Badass94Cad on 06/23/12 at 14:18:05 It's hard to tell from the pics on the BCB site...The rear of the fender mounts to the swingarm, so where does it mount in the front? I can't mount to the frame that way. :o |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by SimonTuffGuy on 06/23/12 at 22:28:57 It also mounts to the swingarm. They include a bracket that wraps around and provides a place to bolt it up with... Taken from their site: http://bluecollarbobbers.com/web/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/Large_Seat_and_F_4f5fb92de5afa.jpg That squareish looking piece with the tab off the top (right below the "x"ed out license plate brackets. I could probably do a screenshot off their install video if necessary. I was thinking of welding a small L bracket or something similar to that in place there. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Badass94Cad on 06/25/12 at 08:41:19 Nobody on this site has one installed? :-[ |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Badass94Cad on 06/27/12 at 16:54:28 524A4444434E210 wrote:
I sent you a couple e-mails over the past week or so about the oil can. Haven't heard back...Was just wondering if you had an ETA. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by skeebo on 06/28/12 at 08:24:34 6043464351511B16614346220 wrote:
I sent you a couple e-mails over the past week or so about the oil can. Haven't heard back...Was just wondering if you had an ETA. :-[/quote] I'm changing the design slightly, should be really cool. I'll post some pics and you can make up your mind. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Badass94Cad on 06/28/12 at 09:13:13 6B737D7D7A77180 wrote:
I sent you a couple e-mails over the past week or so about the oil can. Haven't heard back...Was just wondering if you had an ETA. :-[/quote] I'm changing the design slightly, should be really cool. I'll post some pics and you can make up your mind. [/quote] Cool man...lmk 8-) |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by SimonTuffGuy on 07/03/12 at 16:21:35 So I ordered myself the BCB kit this afternoon. Figured it would be easier to just buy the darn kit and use their stuff instead of trying to make things work. I may just use the axle and mounts and sell the kit set itself... But we'll see how it works. I may use the seat just to see if there is any real difference to them. Once it comes in, I'll try and snap some decent pictures (maybe even dimensions and what not) of the mounts, etc. that you'd need for the fender. |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Badass94Cad on 07/04/12 at 08:35:04 Awesome, thanks. 8-) I finally settled on a stock size rear blackwall tire, and I'll just have to try to paint a whitewall. :-[ I've been debating on ordering the BCB kit, but since my wife and I are house shopping, it's hard to drop a chunk of money like that when I don't necessarily "need" to. But I "want" to! ;) |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by Joker123 on 08/23/12 at 13:25:48 I'm currently building a project savage myself, I noticed your oil tank add on. I'm. Ery interested in seeing if you sale those or are willing to build one. I really like seeing the progress and ideas you are incoraperating into your bike. Please email with the info. Thanks |
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Title: Re: Let's talk about Blue Collar Bobbers' rear fen Post by DesertRat on 04/03/16 at 19:48:47 776F6161666B040 wrote:
Nice build ... |
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