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Title: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by Tode33 on 06/16/12 at 07:43:20 I did a search on the forums for this, sorry if it's already been asked, but I couldn't find anything. I've been having a problem where my front wheel keeps on squealing. It started out at just low speeds, but it's progressed where it pretty much does it constantly. I tried propping the front wheel off the ground and spinning the wheel manually but can't seem to get it to spin fast enough to do it, I do hear the brake pads making contact with the disc when I spin though. So far I've pulled off the brake caliper, pulled out the brake pads and cleaned the whole thing up from grime and break dust. Used break cleaner to clean up the disc. Just on the off chance that it's the speedometer cable I lubed that up. But it's still sqealing. One thing I noticed, it does not seem to sqeal when I end up riding in the rain. |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by 360k+ on 06/16/12 at 07:56:39 A temporary fix is to only ride in the rain.. just kidding. Does the squeal stop when you apply front brake? |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by Tode33 on 06/16/12 at 08:08:58 If I keep the throttle on and apply the front break, the squeal persists. If I let off on the throttle it seems to stop. |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by Dave on 06/16/12 at 08:20:37 The Trials bike community has problems with squeaky breaks. The normal cure it to get the disc hot - then spray it with the garden hose. I always worried that it would warp the disc......but it does not seem to be a problem on the trials bikes....maybe it would work on the Savage |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by 360k+ on 06/16/12 at 08:38:10 I looked at the fiche (exploded view) and don't see anything that could squeal except possibly a wheel bearing about to fail??? How many miles are on the bike? Also, make sure the squeal is coming from the front. The belt on a Savage can squeal and the sound can bounce around and seem like it's coming from some place that it's not, especially if you have a windshield. The belt would also account for it not squealing in the rain and throttle changes. |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by verslagen1 on 06/16/12 at 08:39:46 Usually, it's the brake pad and it would squeal when braking. I take it, it's squealing all the time. While it still can be the brakes, there are other points of possible contact. On each side of the wheel are spacers with a shield. I'd take the wheel off and inspect the shields for wear. They're just pressed in, so you might need to tap them in a little further. While you got the wheel off, lube the wheel bearings. Last, is the brakes. the stock pads are known to squeal. I recommend kevlar brake pad material. No one uses the kevlar name anymore cause it's trade marked. they're an ebay seller in florida that sells an "X" brand thats great, cheap, don't squeal, lasts a long time. I measured them when I put the drilled discs on at 5mm. that's after being on 6 months and I do 10 to 12k miles a year. |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by Tode33 on 06/16/12 at 09:26:27 It's a '98 with 25701 miles on it. I just bought it March of last year (first bike.) I'm pretty sure it was neglected for a few years so I'm still working on finding all of the "presents" that the neglect left me. When I had it inspected this year I asked them to check the belt since that was the first thing I thought of. There wasn't any issues with it other than it needed tightened a bit. If I need to take the front wheel off I guess I'm going to have to take it to a shop since I don't have anything other than hand tools. Was hoping to avoid that on a financial level. :( |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by Serowbot on 06/16/12 at 09:45:43 Noises can fool ya'... Next time you hear the squeal,... put some finger pressure on the headlight ring,... and the speedo bezel... They are both famous squealers... |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by verslagen1 on 06/16/12 at 10:03:06 350E05045252610 wrote:
Check your cam chain... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1191167029 |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by Tode33 on 06/16/12 at 10:45:29 So am I to assume that I really shouldn't ride it until I check the cam chain? The person who sold it to me didn't have a service log, so I have NO idea when the last time anything was serviced (other than what I have done.) Sorry if I seem newbish, I'm still learning a lot of this as I go. |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by verslagen1 on 06/16/12 at 10:51:20 And we're trying to teach ya before the lessons get expensive. Be on the lookout for a tapping on the right side, you'll hear it just behind the oil filter cover on top of the case. any sudden grinding from there and I'd kill the motor immediately and pull over... tow it home. |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by Tode33 on 06/16/12 at 10:59:34 I appreciate all of the help. :) So far no tapping or grinding from that area. I have a Clymer manual on the way (taking to the shop for everything was getting too expensive) so I guess I'm going to take that and any advice I find on here and spend a weekend just pulling the bike apart and doing all of the required maintenance that I can. That way at least I'll KNOW when the last time things were done. Definitely going to have to check the headlight ring and speedo suggestion as well. On a side note, I just realized I spelled squeal wrong on the title of this post. ::) |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by Serowbot on 06/16/12 at 11:30:30 172C27267070430 wrote:
No two squeals ever sound the same,... don't see why they should all be spelled the same... :)... Versy is modestly not mentioning it,... but he custom makes a modified cam adjuster that will save your engine... If you find that you need to replace,... I highly recommend getting his modded adjuster... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1338489898 ;)... http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/CamChainClub/fixed.jpg |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/16/12 at 20:01:52 I wouldnt push the start button again till Id looked inside that thing, |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by Tode33 on 06/18/12 at 05:03:15 Update: My bike is definitely grounded until I can open it up. I didn't really have an option but to ride it this morning. Keeping in mind the statement that the sound can bounce around, I decided to ride without a helmet this morning to see if I could hear better.. The sound is DEFINITELY coming from my belt. Also, my engine is definitely not a happy camper and based on the internals that I saw from the link verslagen1 posted, I'm going to go ahead and assume it's the cam chain. It definitely sounds like SOMETHING is loose in there. Unfortunately like they say, ignorance is bliss, and now I'm sweating it hoping I can make it home. :-/ Guess I'm making a stop at a tool store when Iget paid later this week to pick up the tools I need to do the job. |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/18/12 at 05:47:33 Dont wind it up tight, keep a thumb by the kill switch & a coupla fingers on the clutch, stay clear in traffic so if you need to stop you can w/o gettin mashed. Good luck. |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by Tode33 on 06/18/12 at 06:42:02 Just a quick afterthought question, I'm going to be picking up a torque wrench as part of my tool purchase (honestly getting excited about being let loose in a tool store) would it be preferable to get a 1/2" or a 3/8" wrench? |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/18/12 at 07:01:30 Ive got a beam type 3/8ths from Sears. I used it a coupla times, once ya get the feel of it, you wont need it for many things. Note the span on torque specs. Very wide ranges on most things. YOU get a feel for the small stuff, 1/4" ratchet & you can feel it come tite, you know its time to stop.. Well,, if youve been wrenchin for decades you do, I know what it feels like when a bolt pulls tite, Havent twisted anything off in many years. But, before I made a few messes,, I didnt know what I was feeling for, I was just blindly cranking stuff down, & thats not smart. FEEL as ya tighten, on little stuff, dont use your arm, put a thumb on the head of the ratchet & use the fingers slightly open to hold the handle & just use the fingers & wrist to bring it down, Its okay to just move far enough to get 2 or 3 clicks & start from that position again, Its so much better to snug something again later than twist it off now. |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by Tode33 on 06/22/12 at 18:29:40 One thing I never thought to ask, where do I look to diagnose the belt squealing issue? Picking up the tools tomorrow to crack 'er open and see what the damage is as far as the cam chain. Keeping my fingers crossed. Also as a preemptive action I ordered a raptor petcock tonight, will be installing that as soon as it comes. |
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Title: Re: Front Wheel Sqealing Post by Tode33 on 06/23/12 at 19:10:45 mmyep, I think it's past time to do something. |
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