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Title: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Starlifter on 06/02/12 at 21:08:16 AP news Greenhouse gas levels pass symbolic 400ppm CO2 milestone Monitoring stations in the Arctic detect record levels of carbon dioxide, higher than ever above 'safe' 350ppm mark Monitoring stations in the Arctic detect record levels of carbon dioxide, higher than ever above 'safe' 350ppm mark The world's air has reached what scientists call a troubling new milestone for carbon dioxide, the main global warming pollutant. Monitoring stations across the Arctic this spring are measuring more than 400 parts per million of the heat-trapping gas in the atmosphere. The number isn't quite a surprise, because it's been rising at an accelerating pace. Years ago, it passed the 350ppm mark that many scientists say is the highest safe level for carbon dioxide. It now stands globally at 395. So far, only the Arctic has reached that 400 level, but the rest of the world will follow soon. ********************************************************* Clinton tours Arctic as big powers vie for resources Source: Reuters U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton boards a research ship on Saturday to tour the Arctic, where big powers are vying for vast deposits of oil, gas and minerals that are becoming available as the polar ice recedes. The top U.S. diplomat took the unusual step of visiting Tromso, a Norwegian town in the Arctic Circle, to dramatize U.S. interests in a once inaccessible region whose resources are up for grabs as the sea ice melts with climate change. "From a strategic standpoint, the Arctic has an increasing geopolitical importance as countries vie to protect their rights and extend their influence," Clinton told reporters in Oslo before making the nearly two-hour flight north to Tromso. "We want to work with Norway and the Arctic Council to help manage these changes and to agree on what would be, in effect, the rules of the road in the Arctic, so new developments are economically sustainable and environmentally responsible," she added. ********************************************************* Now ask yourself this: If the climate change data is a hoax, what possable motive would there be for for such a hoax? ...because we sure do know what the corporate interest's motive is for dening the science now don't we...$$$$$$$$. How do rightwing idiots keep their heads from exploding? The compartmentalization of irreconcilable beliefs must be very very difficult. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/03/12 at 06:46:13 Go hunting for connections between ken lay/al gore & the carbon tax. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Starlifter on 06/03/12 at 18:55:51 JOG not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. And whatever you conspiracy theory is, global warming / climate change is still a fact. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/03/12 at 23:24:00 Its a con game, they want to hit us with a Carbon Tax, as if thats gonna stop things. & YOud just be shocked at the number of things in this country that are Being DONE, like the ruination of the school system, intentionally, & the condition of the economy is no accident, & remember what was done in Ca., by Enron? All the laws passed & the peoples voice just not heard,, Someone wants it done & its not JQ Public,, |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by lambdavi on 06/12/12 at 05:46:15 "Monitoring stations in the Arctic detect record levels of carbon dioxide, higher than ever above 'safe' 350ppm mark " I'd like an independent evaluation of CO2 in Detroit, Chicago, Hamburg and/or Milan, well known industrial centers. Funny how CO2 readings are highest where nobody lives ??? I smell something stinky... and it ain't bad fish... :-X |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by bill67 on 06/12/12 at 11:59:15 Global warming is hitting northerner Wisconsin hard to night,They are have frost warning for tonight. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Trippah on 06/12/12 at 19:31:28 I suspect the great thing about global warming is it will allow some little bacteria (probally not Muslim, Jew or Christian) to survive and mutate in the newer extreme climate..and that little bugger will wipe out most of humanity..which will reduce carbon emmissions faster than any tax..and the flies will multiply till the skies sound like Niagra Falls. ;) |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WebsterMark on 06/12/12 at 20:10:29 If the weather in St. Louis becomes the same as the weather in Atlanta, why would these little bacteria not grow in Atlanta right now?.... But honestly, I've not read a sastisfactory explanation how .5 degree increase in average temperature is going to devastate the earth.... I don't believe it. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WD on 06/12/12 at 22:05:45 It will have some good aspects and some bad aspects. Our pecan trees budded out at their earliest date since they were planted (1958-1964). I only missed work 3 or 4 times due to winter conditions this last year (then again, snow is rare here anyway). Garden could have been started in February for cool season crops. Huge insect population. Huge rodent population. Huge poisonous snake population. Damaging winds and rains. Lots of wildfires in places that usually don't get them. All the rivers, ponds, lakes and streams are low. We're 10" below normal rainfall right now for the year. Mild winter increased the deer population, now I see/smell dead ones all over the place. Which increases the insect population. With our place being clothing optional, hitting the high 70s in January was nice, a touch of extra income potential. Clearing 100*F in May rather sucked though. Too hot to get outside and get the orchards pruned and mowed. Running a 50+ year old tractor in that kind of heat cooks the operator (you can't mow our orchards clothes free, too many thorn trees). 12 years ago this property did not have half the insects and weeds it does now. They couldn't live this far north. Anyone know how to kill sub-tropical vines? They're taking over. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/13/12 at 00:20:24 I dont say we arent warming, but why is the question, A carbon tax? REally? What a load,, |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WebsterMark on 06/14/12 at 04:46:04 12 years ago this property did not have half the insects and weeds it does now. They couldn't live this far north. Anyone know how to kill sub-tropical vines? They're taking over. that's my point; are you trying to tell me at 1/2 degree avg increase over 10 years is the cause of this? and by the way, the avg temp has stayed level the past 10 years, it was the 10 years before that the avg temp increased. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Stimpy - FSO on 06/14/12 at 19:48:59 Er, we got hail yesterday, bad. It's the middle of friggin' JUNE! Parts around Munich had snow last week. And there is a HUGE storm (cold front) forming in the Atlantic right now about to hit the U.K. and it will be here in Europe 4 days, yay! This feels more like the beginning of an ice age to me. --------------------------------------------------------------- Word of advice: Trust scientists, researchers, "experts" and doctors as much as you do priests. Where do you ppl think all those research grants come from? The grant fairy? You think this $$ has no strings attached? Think again. ...and they all wear robes you know (cult) :-? |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Drifter on 06/25/12 at 08:14:43 Hundreds of lakes and ponds are drying up in central florida due to record heat and no rain people are parking tractors and cars under there boat houses. Amazing site to see! where i live 2 or 3 months with little or no rain is common now. Some places are getting colder most are not. The ice on the poles is melting and getting smaller every year, only the blind or stupid cannot see things are changing. WD, same with me and the trees and garden, lots of stuff dying. For the people with there heads in the sand where do you think all the stuff goes coming out our exhaust pipes and coal smoke stacks burning forrest etc. Add to that the 7acres of trees being cut every minute around the world. Trees eat the stuff from our exhaust....where does it go?? :-/ The extinct tribe on the easter islands should send a loud message to US. Nope...big oil rules. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/25/12 at 09:08:44 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/25/antarctic_ice_not_melting/ |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WebsterMark on 06/25/12 at 10:36:40 The ice on the poles is melting and getting smaller every year, only the blind or stupid cannot see things are changing. been up to the poles to check that out yourself huh? |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WebsterMark on 06/25/12 at 10:43:18 I drove through Mt. Rainer state park last week and the locals said there was way more snow than normal for the middle of June. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Serowbot on 06/25/12 at 15:05:30 Well there you go then... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WebsterMark on 06/25/12 at 15:51:04 it's as scientific as Al Gore..... |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Serowbot on 06/25/12 at 16:24:54 Yup,.. that's how he won the Nobel prize... He just looked out and said, "Seems hot"... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by LostArtist on 06/25/12 at 16:44:13 5C4A5D40584D405B2F0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/25/12 at 17:06:59 081711160B0C3D0D3D05171B50620 wrote:
Still not melting, not even on this page. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WebsterMark on 06/25/12 at 18:57:08 That's close to how he won.... You just forgot to add the " I'm not George Bush " pledge. Jimmy Carter won, Al Gore won and Hopey-change won that way. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Starlifter on 06/25/12 at 22:19:16 The ice on the poles is melting and getting smaller every year, only the blind or stupid cannot see things are changing. "Been up to the poles to check that out yourself huh?" WM Why yes Webster, as a matter of fact "I" have been up around the pole many times. In the 70's Thule north Greenland supply and mail runs were my specialty. Even then global warming / climate change was a real concern for the native peoples of the far north, who depend on the solid ice cap for their winter sustenance and survival. Believe me, it IS shrinking every year, and the native people of the north are very aware of this. The annual over-melt has been going on for a long time now. **************************************************************** <snip> The Arctic is home to some of the world's most distinctive mammals, millions of migratory and resident birds, a rich ice-edge community, and some of the world's major fisheries. It a biologically and culturally unique environment and one of the last places on Earth where natural conditions still prevail over much of the region. 1 Unlike the ice-bound Antarctic, however, the Arctic has also been home to humans for more than 10,000 years. Today the region is culturally, politically, demographically and economically diverse, with settlements ranging from small indigenous communities to modern industrial cities. 2 Indigenous cultures include Aleuts, who live primarily in coastal southwest Alaska; Inuit, who live on the coast and inland from northwestern Alaska east to Greenland; and Athabascans, who live mainly inland in eastern Alaska, the central Yukon, and the Northwest Territories of Canada; Dene, Saami, and Native groups in northern Russia. The environment and human cultures of the Arctic are inextricably linked. 3 Indigenous populations in the region maintain a strong connection to the environment through subsistence on wildlife and natural resources, a practice that has endured over thousands of years. 4 The Arctic and its people, however, face drastic change. The global build-up of greenhouse gases has the potential to dramatically alter both the Arctic environment and its ecosystems. Given their close dependence on natural resources, global climate change is expected to have immediate and significant consequences for Arctic peoples. 5 Some species of terrestrial and marine wildlife may become threatened or even disappear. Land will grow increasingly unstable. Extreme weather events may occur, as sea levels rise along coastal areas. Arctic communities could also face serious health complications. What happens to the Arctic and its human population concerns us all, for the response of the area and its people to climate change serves as an indicator for what may occur in other regions, and to the planet as a whole. ************************************************************** Now I ask you. What kind of fools do not believe in science and logic???....oh, that's right, right-wing-nuts, the religiously insane, bible thumping, fire & brimstone hell folks who handle snakes. Corporate hucksters who will give you two fives for a twenty, and tell you what a sound investment you have made to insure your future, war mongering war profiteers who tell you to invest you son in the great (fill in the blank)_________ glorious cause....meh. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WebsterMark on 06/27/12 at 05:42:08 assuming the guys math is correct in the article below, shouldn't this just put an end to the silly idea that wind energy is a serious solution to energy needs? The scale problem is equally obvious when it comes to wind. At the end of 2011, the U.S. had 47,000 megawatts of installed wind-energy capacity. (Only China, with 62,000 megawatts, had more.) In 2011, all the wind turbines in the U.S. together produced about 120 terawatt-hours of electricity. Thus, just to keep pace with the growth in global electricity demand by using wind energy, we would have to install about 3.75 times the total current installed wind capacity in the U.S. every year. That means that global wind-energy capacity would have to increase by about 176,000 megawatts each and every year. That would be an enormous challenge, given that between 2010 and 2011, global wind-energy capacity increased by just 41,000 megawatts. That’s a record increase, and one that advocates of renewable energy are quick to laud. But those same advocates refuse to acknowledge the energy sprawl inherent in wind energy, nor will they admit the growing backlash against the wind industry. Let’s consider the extent of the energy sprawl if wind energy were to supply that 450 terawatt-hours per year of incremental electricity demand. The power density of wind energy is roughly two watts per square meter, or about five megawatts per square mile. That means that by the end of 2011, the U.S. had covered a land area of about 9,400 square miles, just slightly smaller than the state of Maryland, with wind turbines. Therefore, to keep up with the growth in global electricity demand by using wind energy alone, the global wind industry will need to cover a land area of some 35,000 square miles — about the size of Indiana — with wind turbines. And it will have to do so every year from now through 2035. That metric’s still hard to grasp, so let me put it another way: In order to merely keep up with the growth of global electricity use, the wind industry would have to cover 96 square miles every day with wind turbines. That’s an area about the size of four Manhattans. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WebsterMark on 06/27/12 at 05:46:37 Now I ask you. What kind of fools do not believe in science and logic???.... well..if you want to find one, you could start by looking in the mirror. Your environmentalism is a religion and you are a zealot. You refuse to open your mind to possibilities other than to the doom and gloom your prophets preach to you about. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/12 at 07:27:53 I believe in science. I also believe scientists & their findings are subject to manipulation for $$$. This whole Global Warming thing is BUsted, its Over,.even somne of the early proponents have come out & admited they were wrong, |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Serowbot on 06/27/12 at 09:15:04 By definition,.. religion requires faith, without evidence... Climate change is supported by a wide body of collected evidence that has been accepted by 98% of scientists in the field... hardly faith based... On the other hand,... some people choose to believe the 2%... of which, half believe climate change is happening, but we didn't cause it... and the other half deny it is happening at all... Conflicting theories,... but both theories are accepted with enthusiasm by deniers... Deniers don't care which is true.... because either supports their agenda, and neither is supported by evidence... Belief,.. without, or in conflict, with evidence, is a religion... Now,... who's an angry little zealot?.... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WebsterMark on 06/27/12 at 10:35:51 By definition,.. religion requires faith, without evidence... Climate change is supported by a wide body of collected evidence that has been accepted by 98% of scientists in the field... hardly faith based... On the other hand,... some people choose to believe the 2%... of which, half believe climate change is happening, but we didn't cause it... and the other half deny it is happening at all... Conflicting theories,... but both theories are accepted with enthusiasm by deniers... Deniers don't care which is true.... because either supports their agenda, and neither is supported by evidence... Belief,.. without, or in conflict, with evidence, is a religion... Now,... who's an angry little zealot?.... By definition, the vast majority of what you just said is not true. First off; I’m not disputing the avg temp of the planet has increased over a given period of time. Where I sit right now was under ice a few thousand years ago so it’s a given the temp has risen. I’m not disputing human activity has added gases to the atmosphere that have been shown to potential trap heat. I am disputing that it’s significant, can’t be lowered without major lifestyle/economic changes and that it hasn’t turned into a cult like religion. Climate change is supported by a wide body of collected evidence that has been accepted by 98% of scientists in the field... hardly faith based... The only surprising fact about that is that it’s not 100% of ‘scientist in the field’… A paleontologist is unlikely to believe in creationism either…. On the other hand,... some people choose to believe the 2%... of which, half believe climate change is happening, but we didn't cause it... and the other half deny it is happening at all... I think the people who signed the statement below represent a pretty important 2%,… The lack of warming for more than a decade—indeed, the smaller-than-predicted warming over the 22 years since the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) began issuing projections—suggests that computer models have greatly exaggerated how much warming additional CO2 can cause. Faced with this embarrassment, those promoting alarm have shifted their drumbeat from warming to weather extremes, to enable anything unusual that happens in our chaotic climate to be ascribed to CO2 Claude Allegre, former director of the Institute for the Study of the Earth, University of Paris; J. Scott Armstrong, cofounder of the Journal of Forecasting and the International Journal of Forecasting; Jan Breslow, head of the Laboratory of Biochemical Genetics and Metabolism, Rockefeller University; Roger Cohen, fellow, American Physical Society; Edward David, member, National Academy of Engineering and National Academy of Sciences; William Happer, professor of physics, Princeton; Michael Kelly, professor of technology, University of Cambridge, U.K.; William Kininmonth, former head of climate research at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology; Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric sciences, MIT; James McGrath, professor of chemistry, Virginia Technical University; Rodney Nichols, former president and CEO of the New York Academy of Sciences; Burt Rutan, aerospace engineer, designer of Voyager and SpaceShipOne; Harrison H. Schmitt, Apollo 17 astronaut and former U.S. senator; Nir Shaviv, professor of astrophysics, Hebrew University, Jerusalem; Henk Tennekes, former director, Royal Dutch Meteorological Service; Antonio Zichichi, president of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva. and before you start your predictable 'big oil' nonsense, remember global warming is big business nowdays. the extent to which the climategate email show some scientist will go thru to kill dissent was rather telling, don't you think? bottom line is you don't know anything more about the science behind the climate that I do. The only difference is I read both sides of the debate, you read one side and discount the other. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/12 at 10:47:48 Rowboat said Climate change is supported by a wide body of collected evidence that has been accepted by 98% of scientists in the field... hardly faith based.. & some of those scientists have decided they were wrong, & you KNOW there were 98% in agreement? How? Because it was reported? In the same media that reported how the vietnamese attacked us? |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Serowbot on 06/27/12 at 11:04:46 5F6D6A7B7C6D7A45697A63080 wrote:
So,.. you say it is happening,... and we are adding to it... but, because it will effect your lifestyle,.. you are not willing to try to reduce it?... Yet, you list a roster of the 2% that deny it... Science isn't saying we can make it go away... They are saying we need to acknowledge that is is happening,.. and do what we can... Both to reduce the severity, and to prepare... Quote:
This "climatgate".. is all based on a phrase found in some e-mails... "Trick"... Interpreted as a deception... but, after peer review, it was found to be a false assumption... The "trick" was a technique used in analysis... Here's a "trick"... "i before e, except after c, or when pronounced as a"... This trick, is an aid to getting an accurate result, not a way way of cheating or deception... Here's another,... "if you can't reach the spark plug in the hole, use a piece of fuel line on the end of the plug to grip it as you unscrew"... Again,.. a trick... but nothing sinister... Again,.. the "trick" used by the scientists was simply an aid to interpretation of results, not a manipulation of them... This was investigated... Besides that... you yourself have admitted that you believe the science... You just don't agree with any attempt to do anything about it... |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/12 at 11:17:59 The whole thing was a scam cooked up by Ken Lay & Fat Al Gore, Look at the predictions that havent come true.,& look at the proponents who have come out & admitted they were wrong. Let GO of the lies, |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WebsterMark on 06/27/12 at 11:43:13 So,.. you say it is happening,... and we are adding to it... but, because it will effect your lifestyle,.. you are not willing to try to reduce it?... it's not significant. There are about one million things more important. The temp has not increase in 10 years yet we've done nothing significant to slow down co2, in fact co2 out put has increase so shouldn't that tell you the predictions are way, way off base??? Shouldn't it? This "climatgate".. is all based on a phrase found in some e-mails... "Trick"... That is so far from being correct its almost not even funny. Besides that... you yourself have admitted that you believe the science... You just don't agree with any attempt to do anything about it... I believe in the 3rd law of thermodynamics, but I’m not trying to do anything about it either. Neither are significant in the immediate future. We keep hearing about all these horrible disasters just around the corner if we don’t drop everything and do what a limited number of scientist say, but every time a milestone is suppose to be reached, it falls short only to be replaced with another. It reminds me of the dude who keeps predicting the end of the world and just pushes the date back. Global warming is a big business now and just like you say big oil distorts the truth, are you so naïve as to not believe greed would have an impact on climatologist whose career is based upon one single thing? You think they’re gonna pop up and say “opps, I was wrong, guess I’ll go into biology instead…” |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Serowbot on 06/27/12 at 12:55:51 I'm quite sure big oil pays better than big windmill... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WebsterMark on 06/27/12 at 14:21:34 I would hope so. Big oil has more value that big windmill......... |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Savage_Rob on 06/27/12 at 14:53:01 At least they own more politicians. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/12 at 18:19:55 Having observed that global temperatures since the turn of the millennium have not gone up in the way computer-based climate models predicted, Lovelock acknowledged, “the problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago.” Now, Lovelock has given a follow-up interview to the UK’s Guardian newspaper in which he delivers more bombshells sure to anger the global green movement, which for years worshipped his Gaia theory and apocalyptic predictions that billions would die from man-made climate change by the end of this century. “the problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago.” http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/22/green-drivel But you alarmists just keep swinging,, |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WD on 06/27/12 at 21:38:31 I grew up in western Washington, have spend hundreds of days in Mt Rainier National Park. I can remember as a kid being able to see the Nisqually glacier from the bridge on the way to Paradise. Last time I was in the park, couldn't see a hint of it. BUT, since MT Rainier IS a live volcano, I can't say it is all due to global warming. Our last winter in WA (moved away in March 2011)... I spent many a night in my Peterbilt in the mountains. Too much snow to cross the passes, too much snow/ice for the plow crews to keep up, night temps of -11 or lower were common. We're having a cold spell here in west TN right now, it only hit 102*F at the farm today... a month ahead of schedule. Was 106*F 2 days ago... and the temp probe is in constant shade. I'm inclined to believe the changes are regional. Just like standard weather patterns. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WebsterMark on 06/28/12 at 06:04:03 i'm inclinded to agree with you... we're scheduled to have hottest day on record here in St. Louis, 108, and i will have to listen to the goofy local news reports about global warming as the cause yet not one of them will try to explain how a .1 increase in global temps is responsible for a day where the temp is 20 over 'normal'.... |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by bill67 on 06/28/12 at 10:30:02 .1 x200 is 20 degrees. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Gyrobob on 07/03/12 at 06:26:57 warming schmarming The changes in global temp have always been there, and the past 10 years, 100 years, and 1,000 years show nothing out of line with the previous 10,000 years. Think of how much time, energy, and money have been wasted on this issue,... |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/03/12 at 09:08:01 Once upon a time, there were grapes that grew in areas today they cant survive, its too cold. The sun is always in the same place, providing the light, but its not a machine. Its going thru changes of its own, & there are indications on other planets that they are seeing changes in their climates. Im pretty confident my SUV isnt contributing to that. http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/medieval-warm-period-rediscovered http://theresilientearth.com/files/images/MCA_graph1.gif The figure shows a proxy-derived long-term NAO reconstruction. (Top) Reconstructed winter precipitation for Scotland and February-to-June Palmer Drought Severity Index for Morocco. Records were normalized over the common period (1049–1995) and smoothed with the use of a 30-year cubic spline. The bottom graph shows a winter North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) reconstruction (black curve). The gray area is the estimated uncertainty. The researchers' conclusions? The persistent positive phase reconstructed for the MCA appears to be associated with prevailing La Niña–like conditions possibly initiated by enhanced solar irradiance and/or reduced volcanic activity and amplified and prolonged by enhanced AMOC. The relaxation from this particular ocean-atmosphere state into the LIA appears to be globally contemporaneous and suggests a notable and persistent reorganization of large-scale oceanic and atmospheric circulation patterns. Here AMOC stands for the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Current (i.e. the ocean conveyer belt) and LIA for Little Ice Age, the period of global cooling that followed the Medeival Warm Period and lasted until the mid 1800s. What they are saying is that both the MCA and the LIA were real and had identifiable root causes. This result stands in stark contrast with the hocky stick result where the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age almost disappeared, replaced by a largely benign, slight cooling trend that lasted until ~1900. http://theresilientearth.com/files/images/Hockey_stick_chart_ipcc_small.jpg Theres more, hit the link, visit the site, click on the graphs & let them go full screen. Or, dont, I mean, what are the chances its all been a hoax? Ken Lay & Al Gore had a hand in this crap., & if you dont believe there can be some tremendous games played on the masses, & get their consent to do ridiculous things, ya just dont know how it works,. If you still believe the Fed is a good thing & its Constitutional, yourer probably unable to see thru this, too. ce Core Data Confirms Medieval Period Warmer Than Present Submitted by admin on Tue, 06/15/2010 - 12:21. New ice core data indicates that natural climate variations caused huge temperature variations in the past. A recent study finds: The Medieval Warming period had temperatures that approached 1°C higher than current temperatures, in spite of lower CO2 levels. The Minoan Warming period had temperatures that possibly exceeded current temperatures by 1°C, in spite of lower CO2 levels. The previous interglacial period, approximately 130,000 years ago, had temperatures in excess of 4°C versus current temperatures, in spite of lower CO2 levels. A recent article in the journal Science has provided a new, detailed climate record for the Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA), also know as the Medieval Warm Period. It was the most recent pre-industrial warm period, noted in Europe and elsewhere around the globe. The researchers present a 947-year-long multi-decadal North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) reconstruction and find a persistent positive NAO during the MCA. The interesting thing is that the MCA had basically been removed from the climate record by Michael Mann's infamous “hockey stick” history graph that was adopted by the IPCC a decade ago. More interesting, Trouet et al., based their work in part on a tree-ring–based drought reconstruction for Morocco (1049–2002) and a millennial-length speleothem-based precipitation proxy for Scotland (900–1993), a methodology similar to Mann's work. Unlike Mann, these researchers found significant climate warming during the MCA. According to the report: “The Morocco and Scotland reconstructions contain substantial multi-decadal variability that is characterized by antiphase oscillatory behavior over the last millennium.” Their reconstruction can be seen in the figure from the article seen below. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Drifter on 07/05/12 at 19:55:48 Some little boy throws a rock across the roof of some house and it hits the traveling preacher on the head....my god the sky is falling here is proof an ice ball from hell...just hit me. Gotta be an act of god.........nothing happens unless god says so...pick whichever god you believe in or is most popular today.........little boy laughs what a lunitic even at 8 years old he can... see! Humans have a cause and effect on this planet I bet the 2% believe we have no effect on the worlds fish stocks or trees etc....and the more oil we dig frack and steal and pump in the air is a good thing. We have to leave a habitable planet for our children and grand children or find someplace else to live....last time i checked no real good choices there. Many think screw it there is money to be made. Old indian saying, when the fish animals and trees are gone i wonder how long they will live eating money..... :-? |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by heroicseven on 07/05/12 at 22:08:48 warming schmorming. get theese yahoos in washington to cool down spending. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/05/12 at 22:19:10 Drifter, no one is sayi9ng man doesnt impact thngs, just lets get some perspective,, In a day or 2 therell be a story out about Europes Atlantis, about how many miles of formerly inhabited land is on the ocean floor,, My suv did that, too? The sun goes thru cycles, the Earth heats & cools. During midevil times, there were grapes growing many miles north of where they grow today. There has been an effort by a certain faction to get people to believe these changes were mans fault, so they could make $$$. Carbon Taxes, Carbon Credits,, all a sham,, |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Midnightrider on 07/06/12 at 00:49:49 I dont see how anyone that actually rides a motorcycle can not believe in global warming. You can be riding out through the country and just as soon as you come into a town the temp rises 5 to 7 degrees. DAH |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WebsterMark on 07/06/12 at 06:07:42 The opposite of riding into a city is riding thru the country. You know how you’re riding along on a country road and then all of a sudden the temp just plummets and you feel a chill? I call them micro-climates and they usually offer a nice relief. Last weekend I was riding down the Great River Road south of St. Louis on the Illinois side of the Mississippi. Years ago, REAL GLOBAL WARMING, melted massive glaciers and the river was miles wide and carved these bluffs. Today, there are mines in the sides of these bluffs. I rode past the first one and was hit with what felt like 30 degree air. It was 90+ at 10 AM. Felt great, road by another and then another. Finally pulled over in front of one and could not stay there more than a moment because of the cold. So, 25,000 years ago, ice 5,000 feet thick melted and carved these huge bluffs. Today, we spend billions and billions to try and lower the average temp 1/10 of a degree at a time. The average temp in Missouri over the past 10 days is something like 102 degrees which is 15 degrees higher than normal. Newscasters and letters to the paper are telling me how this is all my fault because I’m driving a Silverado and not a Prius yet not one of them can explain how a tiny increase in the global average temp results in a 15 degree higher than average heat wave? It’s so easy to blame this heat wave, drought, the Joplin tornado and other weather incidents on global warming, but it’s impossible to make that correlation. 1901, 1934 and 1936 were the hottest summers on record here, but all I’m hearing is global warming,… sorry, I mean the more politically correct phrase, climate change, is causing this. Sorry, but I call BS on that…….. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/06/12 at 07:56:52 All it proves is how easily the dumb masses are led around by their noses,, Does no one remember, there is ALWAYS a focal point for fear,, & its not where we should be looking., |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by bill67 on 07/06/12 at 08:15:58 We came close to record highs here in Wisconsin. But the records are back in 1933 before the globe warming began. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Oldfeller on 07/06/12 at 09:22:00 Not wishing to be alarmist, but that partial decade of higher temperatures was still long enough to turn some of the Midwest states into dustbowls/proto-deserts. Amazing what a few degrees can do to your nation's breadbasket .... http://www.weru.ksu.edu/new_weru/multimedia/dustbowl/big/theb1365.jpg |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/06/12 at 09:22:47 And the Alarmists dismiss such things as just an isolated event, meaningless, not part of an overall trend. UNTIL it happens here & now, then its a sure sign,, The whole thing is a game & the people are FINally waking up & saying NO..Its the first time in History I know of that the masses have started to shake off the programming by the media,.I LOVE it. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by bill67 on 07/06/12 at 09:27:17 The corn crop is going to be bad but they say 2 mores weeks of this dry weather and it will be really bad,So all food prices will go up,And even ethanol will be higher so we will see how it effects gas prices. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/06/12 at 09:39:03 4C6F6765666F6F6671030 wrote:
If my history lessons were accurate,that dust bowl thing was an accidentally created perfect storm, Farmers had learned how to turn more dirt over than ever before, the drought killed crops & left the loose soil ready to be blown away,,BUT what caused that temperature increase? That was early in the industrial revolution, before freon holes in the atmosphere, before millions of engins making a mess & CO2 & all these things we are supposed to be scared of,, & still,, it happened,, Changes in the world have happened, in fact, when its NOT changing is when its strange, |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by WebsterMark on 07/06/12 at 10:26:32 Not wishing to be alarmist, but that partial decade of higher temperatures was still long enough to turn some of the Midwest states into dustbowls/proto-deserts. Amazing what a few degrees can do to your nation's breadbasket .... why don't we see a dust bowl today?... I think the main cause of the dust bowl was bad farming more than anything else, wasn't it? We're not having a 'dust bowl' today even though it's just as hot and very little rain. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Oldfeller on 07/06/12 at 12:00:11 Zero till farming will help keep the dust clouds down, but it won't help the wheat and corn to grow well with no rain refreshed soil water. Irrigation from wells is still possible, but the wells must be 200 feet deep or more to get down to a year round stable water source. 20 years ago this was 50-100 feet. Pumping that much water from 200 feet down costs money, enough to make some crops not pay any more. BTW, this is Kanas, from NASA's satellites. You can Google Earth it for today's view to see for yourself if you are curious. No matter if it is circular rainbird rotating arms (old tech) or new rectangular linear walking beam systems you can certainly spot the places where ground water is being pumped. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Crops_Kansas_AST_20010624.jpg/220px-Crops_Kansas_AST_20010624.jpg Now, if things continue the way they are slowly headed, expect large parts of the central US to become semi-arid (look a lot like New Mexico, which may slip more into a true shifting sand dune desert during the same time frame). You will live to see this happen .... |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by High_Plains_Thumpr on 07/07/12 at 09:43:11 1E392C3F21242B39283F4D0 wrote:
If you think about it, one volcano eruption makes what man produces (radio activity included) a drop in the bucket. :D |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by mpescatori on 07/16/12 at 06:25:22 73525C53646B575A525548646F534E564B493B0 wrote:
If you think about it, one volcano eruption makes what man produces (radio activity included) a drop in the bucket. :D[/quote] I second that. Blaming global warming on CO2 is like spending the night at the beach keeping warm by a bonfire... ...then, halfway into the morning, someone walks by and blames your bonfire for the rising temperature... ...as if it wasn't the sun to warm the morning ! I like that picture of Kansas, it reminds me of Mesopotamia in 3000 BC. According to scientists (the real ones, not the scam artists involved in the global warming debate) you can find tropical plants in quasi-fossil state in Siberia, Yukon, where today you have permafrost. Man didn't do that. We are taught in school that the last ice age ended around 12,000 BC. Man didn't do that. According to leading archaeologists, Egypt in the days of the Pharaohs was a huge grain basket and they exported their wheat "worldwide", meaning from India to Spain. Yet when Napoleon visited at the very beginning of the 19th century, Egypt was the very dust bowl we know today. Man didn't do that. We are like an ant sitting on a watermelon, and blaming ourselves if the watermelon dries and the skin wrinkles... Soil erosion and the loss of arable land are much more at danger than our CO2 levels... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by splash07 on 07/16/12 at 09:37:48 I am a scientist and global climate change is something I deal with daily in my management. I work for the state gov and we are not even allowed to say global warming. One thing I think many scientists need to remember is that the theory of global warming due to man's introduction of CO2 is just that, "theory." There is no way for a scientist to test the hypothesis since there are just too many variables in our atmosphere. I tell myself all the time that it doesn't matter why, it does matter how we respond though. There could be hundreds of conspiring forces causing a shift in climate conditions. People need to understand that it might be a natural process but it is occurring and it does require a certain level of response. First, we need to curtail our building in the flood plain and in coastal communities. Sea level is rising, around 2" already in some areas on the East coast. Saltwater intrusion into public aquifers and municipal water sources is a real problem in several communities that I know of personally. Second, is habitat loss, many environmental problems get compounded when the habitat needed for rebound is not available. This will certainly lead to species loss (we are currently in a period of species die off comparable to the dinosaurs). Most people only think of animals when they think of endangered species but one out of every 8 plant species is at least threatened. Third, Climate change is going to cause habitat shifts. This will also redistribute the home ranges of many species. Imagine the new bread basket being located in Canada, or the citrus growers relocating to the midwest. Lastly, is the increased frequency and severity of tropical storms and severe weather. No need to explain how this might affect us. So, remember, there is no use in arguing the "why" but we can help mitigate much damage by simply acting now proactively. and just in case, I drive a fuel efficient vehicle, I recycle, use my HVAC less in the summer, use my heat pump less in the winter, turn lights out, carpool when I can, buy curly cue lights, walk or ride my bike if I can, support alternative energy, and generally hug the hell out of some trees ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/16/12 at 17:12:27 Splash said.. First, we need to curtail our building in the flood plain and in coastal communities. Sea level is rising, around 2" already in some areas on the East coast. Saltwater intrusion into public aquifers and municipal water sources is a real problem in several communities that I know of personally. Well,, pardon me for being dense, but IF it was "Sea Level Rising",, wouldnt it be 2 inches EVErywhere? You sure that land is sinking? |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by splash07 on 07/16/12 at 19:16:09 544B4D4A5750615161594B470C3E0 wrote:
Actually no it wont be the same everywhere. Think of the tides, they are only a few feet in the Gulf of Mexico but up to 40 feet in the bay of Fundy. Current and tide will dictate where the largest effects are felt. Ask the people of Kiribati. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/12/01/131708517/a-kiribati-village-slowly-succumbs-to-the-sea-around-it?print=1 and for those on the right, somethng right from faux news http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/06/island-state-vanishes-nation/ |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/16/12 at 20:39:22 Lets just say youre 100% correct,, Ill go with that,,for now,, even still,.That doesnt mean my SUV did it, doesnt make mankind the bad guy.. You are aware of Lovelock & what he said, right?> Im tired of typing it, |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Starlifter on 07/16/12 at 20:51:36 Webster, accepting global warming as human caused would lead to cognitive dissonance between scientific fact and your political beliefs. Brothers Charles and David Koch, who own nearly all of the Kansas-based Koch Industries conglomerate, are renowned for giving millions of dollars to right-wing causes, especially think tanks and front groups that deny the existence of global warming. A recent report on the company found that from 2005 to 2008, Koch Industries-controlled foundations vastly outspent ExxonMobil in contributions to groups that are part of the "climate denial machine." Those of us who are more attuned to science than political ideology are losing the debate because of the corruption of the crony capitalists in wind, solar and other alternatives energy sources and their dealings with government are so clear for all to see. Until we can drive the carbon based energy goons out of business there will be no real progress. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/16/12 at 23:26:23 http://www.secretsofsurvival.com/survival/is_the_sun_heating_up.html The Sun is Heating Up In September of 2005, NASA reported that Mars Orbiters were giving them some strange information. Namely, these orbiters were telling them that deposits of frozen carbon dioxide near the Mars South Pole had shrunk for three straight years, indicating an interesting climate change. Now even the staunchest proponents of the greenhouse gasses/ global warming scenarios must admit this. Earth emissions likely have nothing to do with that. In fact, the Martian South polar ice cap has been shrinking since 1999 at a prodigious rate according to Michael Malin, Principal Investigator for the Mars Orbiter Camera. "The images documenting changes from 1999 to 2005 suggest the Martian climate is presently warmer and perhaps getting warmer still, than it was several decades or even centuries ago." Once you finally figure out that game, its almost funny,, Remember "The coming Mini Ice Age" of the 70's? Whurditgo? Someone figured out there was gonna be a hiccup & started pointing the finger in a direction that they could use, politically.. If you'll drop a quarter in the slot & take a seat in the Waaay Back machine, you can find times in history when the Chief knew there would be an eclipse & he could tell his people the moon would eat the sun if they didnt do as he said,, he could make it spit the sun out as soon as he had their attention. Like the OOOOH so scary "Global Terror Organizations" are gonna GIT us If we dont let the Goobs "keep us safe" by strip searching old women & babies,, Its a GAME, for $$$ & Control. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by splash07 on 07/17/12 at 12:35:13 697670776A6D5C6C5C64767A31030 wrote:
I never said it was your SUV causing it, actually what I said was Quote:
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Retread on 07/17/12 at 17:21:46 Exactly... We can sit around and crap all over everybodys theory on WHAT and WHY the warming is taking place, however to do NOTHING in the face of it is just foolish... |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by Starlifter on 07/17/12 at 18:01:05 "The Sun is Heating Up!" -JOG "Once you finally figure out that game, its almost funny." -JOG B.S... The sun is heating up - but only over geological time frames (tens of millions of years). You have been listening to Fox News (Whose motto is, "If it is a lie and it fits our political political agenda - It's News!" You might want see the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sf_UIQYc… BTW Like Earth, Mars has seasons that cause its polar caps to wax and wane. "It's late spring at the south pole of Mars," says planetary scientist Dave Smith of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "The polar cap is receding because the springtime sun is shining on it." |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/17/12 at 18:47:51 Well,, that settles it,, screw what Lovelock said,, you know, one of the early "Run for you lives" guys, who recently STATED Our Models were WRONG, our Predictions were WRONG,, we really dont KNow what going ON,, Its gotta be mankind at fault here. |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by wernermeister on 07/21/12 at 14:57:56 4D4E525F4D560E093E0 wrote:
Not sure what you mean by fuel-efficient vehicle: your posting shows a Savage... with a 38.9 mpg "fuel efficiency"? I thought those bikes were way past 50mpg??? 8-) |
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Title: Re: Global Warming Accelerating At Alarming Rate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/21/12 at 15:06:48 JUst let it run in the BG,, dont hafta sit & watch it like a murder mystery,, about the 11 minute mark,, pay attention., http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ&feature=related |
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