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Message started by Dave Sisk on 05/20/12 at 07:49:04

Title: Larger crash bar?
Post by Dave Sisk on 05/20/12 at 07:49:04

Hey guys...so my S40 has the small crash bar, which essentially enough to protect the engine if the bike is dropped. The Chinese Rebel knock-off I just sold had a much larger crash bar, large enough to protect the foot pegs and controls.

Where would I find the best price on a larger crash bar that will just bolt on to my S40 in place of the smaller crash bar? (And should I be searching for "crash bar", "highway bar", or what?)

OR...would just mounting some highway pegs to the existing crash bar help serve the same purpose? (I realize not as well, but would they help?)

TIA!
Dave

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/20/12 at 08:00:12

If pure function is all you care about, couldnt you mount a brace across the existing unit & put one of those "slide down the road" hockey pucks on either end?
Problee suck if it hit a pot hole, huhh?

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by Dave Sisk on 05/20/12 at 08:05:09

I'm not opposed to mounting something additional to the existing crash bar...it does need to actually look good though. ;)

Searching ebay, there doesn't seem to be any crash bars for the S40 or savage that are larger than what I already have.

Dave

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by nuster on 05/20/12 at 08:58:06

Your question is one for me. My 20 year old daughter has purchased a new S40 with the addition of the Suzuki windshield & case guard bars. These had to be ordered so we did not see them on the bike. I am also disapointed with the width of the bars. My daughter is scheduled for the basic riders course in 2 weeks. She has never used a clutch. So when she begins to ride she may have a few 0 - 2 mph drops and I don't like the exposed shift pedal/linkage and shock to the internal shift components. And to a lesser extent the rear brake stuff. Your question along with some responces give me my game plan. I have a new 3' piece of 3/4" black pipe. I will cut it to the proper length and dirll 4 holes to use 2 "U" bolt clamps to mount it across the upper crash bars. And I will drill and tap 2 actual hockey pucks to thread on to the pipe ends. Maybe temporary or permanent. I should ask about removing the standard bar ends and replacing with longer bar ends. I am looking for protection during her "break in" riding in parking lots mostly learnng the clutch and one upshift & downshift on her bike.

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/20/12 at 09:03:31

IDK how youre set for $$$, but now mite be a good time to buy a used little dirt bike you can sell after she has it down, AND, as an added bonus, it has been demonstrated that people with dirt bike experience suffer fewer crashes, because theyve felt a bike slide & they know, instinctively, how to shift their bodies to correct.

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by Cavie on 05/20/12 at 09:20:28

There is nothing else. I plan to go to the bone yard and find somthing close and have a shop weld mounts and crome or black paint the new peices. I have already broken the right rear turn signal working in the garage.

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/20/12 at 09:41:56

I used to build balsa & paper planes. The .35 Enya would drag them along at a bit over 60 MPH in a 60' radius circle. I dont think I ever built one I didnt damage significantly in the process,, one, I dropped a glass of water that went right thru a wing,,I feel your pain,, Epoxy is your friend,.never buy a Duro brand adhesive, Devcon 5 minute is the best Ive found, You can put the turn sig back together. & since its for a new rider, I sure would,,You can get new stuff after all the "Dangitt, I dropped it" is over.

I call what youve done "Hangar Damage".. it hurts, I know.
Sorry,,

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by bill67 on 05/20/12 at 10:57:56

Wingerline makes larger crash bars for the S40.

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by arteacher on 05/20/12 at 11:52:18

37282E2934330232023A28246F5D0 wrote:

Wow. Control line model planes. I did that from age 11 till age 32 or so. Still have enough stuff in boxes (and one plane) that I could do it in a couple of days. Flew everything from lil .020 combat to .40 Nobler with throttle control. (Man that puppy pulled on your arm!) Did some scale stuff too- a Mosquito with 2 .049's and a Fokker tri wing. And the Enya .35 is an amazing engine- I still have mine. Fooled around with boats for a bit too.
You can't fly gas planes up here on public property anymore- liability issues.
BTW I found epoxy to be too heavy for initial construction. It was handy in the field though.

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/20/12 at 12:42:31

I lusted for a Nobler,, dang I wanted one of those,, just outta my price range as a 19 & 20 Y/O Air Force & married man, I found the Buster with its low profile wing to be fast & its ample elevator to be very quick in a turn. I also cut a section outta the rear fuselage & mounted a 1 ounce fishing weight, so when I said TURN, I could make it lay over fast enough it would go backwards a foot or so,, then, one day, that weight Flew OUT,, It handled a lot more tamely after that, till I got another one in it, Ive got my favorite tank, a Veco t-23C & handle & engine hanging in the shop.. I never liked the delivery from the Perfect tanks w/o pressure.

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by Cavie on 05/20/12 at 18:04:30

42494C4C1617200 wrote:

Wingerline makes larger crash bars for the S40.

I think the Wingerline os over $300.00

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by bill67 on 05/20/12 at 18:06:54

I think its $260, myself I don't like the looks of it,It tilts forward a lot.

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by Dave Sisk on 05/20/12 at 18:28:08

Hmmm...this one?

http://www.accessoryinternational.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AI&Product_Code=AUSWLS02

Doesn't look anything like the one already on my S40...does it mount the same way?

Dave

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by bill67 on 05/21/12 at 01:45:37

thats it,It must mound about the same way

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by SimonTuffGuy on 05/21/12 at 06:56:40

Wingerlines are the only thing that is pre-fabbed that'll solve the situation for you... Unless you want to fabricate something yourself, they are the best bet.

I waited MONTHS for them to come in stock and quickly grabbed a set when they came in. Then my vision of the bike changed and I took them off and sold them.

They mount pretty much the same, except they also bolt up to the brake/shifter assembly somewhere (it's been awhile since I had them on the bike)...

They are nice. They worked great as highway bars too, my short legs worked fine without the need of pegs on the side of them.

http://www.pimptiva.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=2735&g2_serialNumber=2

http://www.pimptiva.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=2731&g2_serialNumber=2

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by arteacher on 05/21/12 at 07:17:38

223D3B3C21261727172F3D317A480 wrote:

I had a Buster too. It was the best profile (of 6 that I owned). I always used pressure, and modified the Perfect tanks for it. I could do a lamshivac (sp) with the throttle control on the Nobler. The Nobler died a sad death when I lost elevator on it due to a push rod support failing inside the fuselage where I couldn't see it. It crashed into the ground at full speed. Dug a 24 " trench about 2" deep and there wasn't a piece left longer than 10" except for the flaps, which I still have. I was sure I had bent the crank of the Fox 40 schneurl, but it was ok. I used to make my own fuel out of methanol, nitro and Klotz (Bills ears just perked up ;D)
This thread is bringing back a lot of nice memories.
You can still buy a Nobler, you know.

To get back on topic, I looked into the Wingerline, but it won't work with forward controls.

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/21/12 at 12:51:11

The Nobler died a sad death when I lost elevator on it due to a push rod support failing inside the fuselage where I couldn't see it.

I lost my last Buster 31 years ago. In West Texas, flying over hard dry dirt. I liked doing a wingover & pullin in on the lines to crank the speed & pull out level,,the bellcrank came out, it went strait in so fast the wings didnt break forward on the tips, they sheared off the fuselage. The engine survived & my strap tank mount held,I had about 3 gallons of fuel thru the engine on that plane,,

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by bill67 on 05/21/12 at 13:28:22

You should have had a crash bar on your Buster

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by Dave Sisk on 05/21/12 at 22:42:27

Thanks for the pic, Simon...yeah, I kinda see what you guys mean...that crash is functional, but it is kinda...well....butt ugly. :P

Hmmm...maybe I just need to fabricate my own. I can bend pipe and tubing...I suppose I could use aluminum tubing (which might look OK unfinished, assuming I can bend it without it cracking, depends on the alloy), or steel tubing and have it chrome plated.

Still wondering if maybe just some really stiff highway pegs added to the existing crash bar might serve the same purpose and look a lot better though.

Cheers,
Dave

Title: Re: Larger crash bar?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/22/12 at 01:49:19

No need to bend pipe, cut the existing bar & add straight pieces, send to be chromed/