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Message started by Serowbot on 05/17/12 at 23:14:23

Title: Has anyone else though about this?...
Post by Serowbot on 05/17/12 at 23:14:23

Let's say, you're riding in a group,... and someone takes a tumble...
... and here, especially,... in southern Arizona,... but also in many places...
In the heat of summer,... no one would want to lay on scorching hot asphalt, with injuries, waiting for help,...
But, you are not supposed to move an injured person... and where would you put them anyway?...

Is there some material that could be carried, that would insulate an injured rider from the hot ground, that would not require a trunk to tote?...
Do space blankets insulate against heat, as well as cold?...

I can't imagine the pain of laying on that hot summer pavement, broken,... waiting for aid...

Any ideas?.... :-?...

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Post by verslagen1 on 05/17/12 at 23:56:03

space blankets will reflect heat, but it'll help some, till it melted.
but it won't insulate, for that you need an air gap.

talk to your local paramedics, see if they have any tips.

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Post by Paraquat on 05/18/12 at 05:57:11

Whiskey and a .45
Realistically a space blanket, perhaps a poncho (could be dual use), small tarp, how about one of those 6" when folded but unfolds like a baton umbrella?

--Steve

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Post by arteacher on 05/18/12 at 06:59:52

They would have to move you to get whatever you used under you- not a good idea. A quart of water poured aroun you so it runs under you would do the trick for a while.

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Post by splash07 on 05/18/12 at 07:16:16

ultra collapsible survival blanket, they are usually pretty good at insulating and they fold up real small. Another idea is news paper. You can carry a good bit of newspaper in a saddlebag and it insulates great, why do you think so many homeless use it as a blanket.

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Post by babyhog on 05/18/12 at 07:45:23

Something to create some shade would help too, most any of the things already suggested could at least be held up to block the sun directly off the person, even if you were unable to get it under them.

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Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/18/12 at 08:12:37

I have seen asphalt on the apron of a race track get to 138 degrees
Source(s):
Race engineer using an infrared gun at Bristol Motor Speedway in 2008

3 years ago

Gonna need more than a quart..IDK at what temperature damage is done, BUt I think 120 would have to be injurious after a while,

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Post by Savage_Rob on 05/18/12 at 12:48:06

I'm betting a space blanket used to provide shade (assuming you don't want to move the victim) would at least help somewhat... possibly in tandem with some water.

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Post by greenmonster on 05/18/12 at 13:29:23

As a first aid attendant I've gotta say DON'T MOVE THEM! Even to get something under them! You're talking about some light burns on whatever skin is exposed. This is in comparison to life in a wheel chair because your well meaning buddy tried to make you more comfortable.

Water, even a little bit of it, cools things dramatically. Pour that around them and create shade for them. If you have someone with you who is capable of proper emergency techniques, you can wet the blacktop then put a blanket of some type down before they are repositioned onto it. Most people who have not been trained to do these rolls will do far more damage to their wounded patient trying to perform them than the hot tarmac ever will.

</rant>

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Post by verslagen1 on 05/18/12 at 14:51:06

If he's concious, he'll move himself.
If not, what he don't know won't hurt him.

So include this in your tool kit, space blanket, collapsable tent poles, 5 gallons of water.

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Post by arteacher on 05/18/12 at 15:45:18

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Post by Greg on 05/18/12 at 16:56:47

A hip flask filled with good whiskey will help them forget...

Title: Re: Has anyone else though about this?...
Post by Serowbot on 05/18/12 at 17:18:01

I may be wrong...
I just did a test,... it's around 100' today, and the pavement in front of my house is hot, but, tolerable...
When I can remember,... I'm going to find some black tarmac and see how hot that is... try the water test, too...

106' Monday... be a lovely day for a lay on black tarmac... ;)...
Sacrifice for science... :-?...

I'm thinking I'll add a space blanket to my kit for shade,... and, I always do carry water...

Thanks for the brainstorming and advice, guys... ;)...

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Post by MrBrownTX on 05/18/12 at 18:31:25

Wearing good gear will keep your skin away from the pavement. Also when I had my accident and was stuck laying there with my leg in the ant hill getting eaten I never felt any of it not sure if it was just adrenaline or if your brain is smart enough to not worry about that little stuff and ignores those pain signals.