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Title: Oil Coolers Post by ThumperKat on 05/12/12 at 17:56:22 Hi Guys, been awhile, hope everyone on the forum is doing well. i'm curious if anyone has installed an oil cooler on their Savage? not sure i would want to do this, mostly curious, altho it does run hot, what with all the red lights here in SA. thanks in advance!! kat |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Gyrobob on 05/12/12 at 18:45:49 233A2432382A27530 wrote:
Since you are concerned about the motor heating up while stopped in traffic in the summer, maybe it would be good to have a small 12v fan on the cooler. An oil cooler's effectivenees is doubled or tripled if there is air moving through it. I remember summers in SA. I joined the USAF in May of '72, and had to spend many hours out on the newly paved parade ground in July, wearing black boots and a dark green uniform when it was 95 degrees and 90% humidity. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/12/12 at 20:57:09 An easier and less expensive alternative to the high cost and trouble of an oil cooler is to switch over to an oil that can easily withstand any temperature a Savage can idle up to. The smart older riders around here know this trick already .... http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/02/14/00/75/0002140075555_180X180.jpg |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/12/12 at 21:56:04 Im going away from the high dollar synthetic Mobil One on the Vibe & to Rotella when Im out of the stashed oil Ive bought .. I think one more oil change & Im there. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by SuperSavage on 05/12/12 at 21:59:52 How about installing a cooling fan that blows directly on the jug? |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by skeebo on 05/13/12 at 11:56:51 You could redirect more air over the jug....doesn't help sitting still though |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Greg on 05/13/12 at 12:23:49 70535B595A53535A4D3F0 wrote:
Oldfeller, I don't want to start an oil debate. I am just curious why a diesel oil is good for our bikes. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/13/12 at 16:25:56 There are no friction modifiers & it will handle the loads inside a diesel.,.much more hostile of a job ,, Its not meant for catalytic converters, so it can have zddp. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/14/12 at 08:34:28 Dave, Rotella oils have been known for decades among experienced bikers as one of the very best motorcycle oils out there. Go to any bike list and search for Rotella and you will find their oil discussions. Ditto for oil discussion lists like BobIsTheOilGuy. http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/02/14/00/75/0002140075555_180X180.jpg This is T6, same derivation base oil as Shell Helix, the oil that goes into the Ferarri formula 1 race cars. Our T6 has gone 300,000+ miles in a big truck engine for durability and has gone racing with every brand of motorcycle out there for our style of stress testing. It is very very high temp stable. Rotella has a base oil construction and oil additive packages that go FAR beyond car oils (and most of the "motorcycle oils" from the car oil manufacturers). Rotella did us the kindness of testing their 15w40 dino oil and their 5w-40 synthetic against the JASO motorcycle standard and they passed neatly and cleanly on the first pass. It was done a courtesy to the biker world as Rotella is intended for use in huge diesel engines and our yearly sales are peanuts compared to over the road diesel sales. So, I now avoid questions like yours by saying "Huh?" "It's a bike oil, sez so right on the jug. Why shouldn't be good for bikes?" But if you want to review the old list oil wars, we have gone into the base oil structure, the manufacturing processes and the additive package systems. Rotella oil is really quite good stuff to be selling so inexpensively. Much of that low price comes from the fact it is normally sold by the full pallet to truckers who use 15-20 gallons at a shot. But we buy ours by the single gallon at Walmart. ;) |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by bill67 on 05/14/12 at 08:44:59 Lot of people on here use diesel oil then wonder way the cam chain doesn't last many miles. :o ::) :o ::) Stick to a good synthetic motor oil and ride with out the worries. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by verslagen1 on 05/14/12 at 08:53:52 Good point bill... Make sure the oil is rated for our m/c... Look for the JASO MA spec just like it says on the back of Rotella T and T6. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by bill67 on 05/14/12 at 08:57:07 Tell me which motorcycle oil thats not rated for m/c ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/14/12 at 09:01:47 Hey, Bill is feeling fiesty .... not making a lot of sense on that last one, but he's fiesty. Bill, some motorcycle rated oils are made from petroleum derived products, not female estro hormones like the red koolaid stuff you like to use. I can't say much about that though since my favourite group IV oil is made from catalysing a pure group III "slack wax". |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by verslagen1 on 05/14/12 at 09:02:16 a lot of harleys are dry clutch... so harley oil. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/14/12 at 09:04:03 Now that's pushing it some, calling a hurley a motorcycle ..... ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by bill67 on 05/14/12 at 09:06:55 I would and have used car Mobil One in motorcycles,I would rather and know it would be better than a diesel oil. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by verslagen1 on 05/14/12 at 09:21:10 Mobil 1 will make your clutch slip under high acceleration. Of course you wouldn't know that. ::) |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by bill67 on 05/14/12 at 10:10:39 No it want make your clutch slip. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/14/12 at 11:44:57 Moly (which has been dropped into a lot of car based oils to partially replace ZDDP) does make a wet clutch slip and Mobil 1 (the standard bottle) has been contraindicated by the sports bike guys accordingly. Mobil 1 also makes a very expensive bike oil though, which is what Bill should say he is trying to talk about. ;D I keeps on telling ya, I can speak Billish after a fashion ..... Rotella T6 still get the big nod from the crotch rocket boys though as best bike oil for dollar spent. So, Bill is mebbe partially right again (best he can generally get to in these little oil discussions of ours but he is trying to increase his percentage .....) ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by verslagen1 on 05/14/12 at 12:02:03 He want gasp the basics of our conversation. but the viscosity of the situation slips his mind. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by bill67 on 05/14/12 at 12:42:48 I am talking about car not motorcycle Mobil One. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/14/12 at 12:59:56 See, Bill has taken the trouble to clarify that perhaps he really doesn't know what the Mobil he's is talking about. Bill, 'ol "it isn't motorcycle oil" himself is saying a non JASO car based group III oil should be used in a Savage engine, especially an SN formulation with less than 600 ppm of ZDDP with moly added back in to it to try to take up some of the rapid wear slack. No wonder he thinks we should all have rapid cam chain and flat tappet wear -- and slippy clutches too !!! ;D ;D ;D Now Bill, WHEN did you use this good Mobil 1 oil? When counts in this question, as Mobil 1 before SM actually had some ZDDP in it and it didn't have moly in it either. Red cap Mobil 1 Extended SL formulation actually spec'd out to be good oil, but that was what, 5-6 years ago now. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by bill67 on 05/14/12 at 13:07:48 Boys I have 2 motorcycles,The Intruder 1500 has Mobil One car oil in it now and has always had it in,And the clutch has never slipped,Now when did you use Mobil One car oil in a motorcycle. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by bill67 on 05/14/12 at 13:17:10 The only S40s that are showing wear are the ones using Rotella oil in them, (some proof please) Theres people on here that have driven 50000 miles on s40 with no problem, (who please) My wifes GN 400 went 26000 mile nothing done to it and no problems (and this applies how?).You guys are your own worst problem playing around with diesel oil and see how much its costing you, you have all kinds of problems. (Now this is true, both Verslagen and I have modded and ridden the pure tee stuffin's out of our Savages -- our problems from this don't stem from the oil we use per se) |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/14/12 at 13:18:51 News Flash !!! Bill has just abandoned his ages long stance on "JASO approved motorcycle oils only" and apparently he has thrown his red koolade under the bus as well. Bill is using $6 a quart automotive Mobil 1 for use in motorcycles and recommending it to the masses instead of his previous $13 a quart red magic compounds. Oh Klotz, how sharper than a serpent's tooth is an unfaithful Billium .... Now Bill, if you want to play you have to specify which weight and exact bottle of Mobil 1 you are using. ;D ;D ;D Shoot us up a pic of the bottle so we can properly discuss your choice. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by bill67 on 05/14/12 at 13:27:08 10w 30 mobil not the extended I use that in my car.I use Klotz 15 50 in the S40 and when I change my 1500 it will be klotz 10 40.I'm saying Mobil One is better than that diesel oil you guys have all the trouble with. OF replies: Bill, not only are you not using a JASO motorcycle oil you are using the wrong summer weight of car oil in it. 10w30 is too light for the 1500 Intruder in summer time use, Suzuki recommends 10w40 for the 1500 Intruder for year round use and simply doesn't tell you you can use 10w30 in the summer at all. Now, I realize it gets cold up around the Great Lakes so I could see using a good 10w30 JASO bike oil when the snow is flying (winter only) but you freely admit to leaving the 10w30 car oil in your Intruder for two solid years, summer and winter. Why do you go so durn thin on your bigger displacement (750cc per bore) motorcycle when you "overweight" the Savage with a 20w50 Klotz synthetic? |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Greg on 05/14/12 at 14:26:00 Sorry guys. This was not my intention. I was just curious. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Boule’tard on 05/14/12 at 15:22:02 Don't worry about it Greg, when an oil war is due, an oil war is due ;) But a good follow-up question might be: Is it ok to let your engine run hot as long as the oil is a good synthetic that can handle it without breaking down? Probably not, huh. Adding an oil cooler is still a good idea. OF replies: Nobody plans to overheat their bike due to idling in traffic. It happens though. Having a sump full of T6 means it is a total non-event to you instead of a potentially "bad thing happening to ya". Remember, all "over the road" big diesel engines have oil lubricated turbochargers and turbo hot side bearings get VERY HOT in use (500+ degrees is not uncommon) -- Rotella T6 lives in this environment unharmed for hundreds of thousands of miles. ================== And at the very low idling Savage oil pressure levels and flow levels, just how much oil movement and cooling effects do you thing you are gonna get out of that little oil cooler? Yeah, the one that is sitting still with no air flow going through it right now either, just a sitting there right next to that hot arsed jug? And the tiny amount of oil in the head oil passages and the head cam oil bath is just a sitting there, smoking & slowly turning black .... Seems the shiny expensive oil cooler tries to cool the oil down in the sump, but it doesn't affect the oil up in the head right now at all ...... :D What is plumb funny to me though is the people who are paying more dollars for three $8.99 quarts of a name brand dino based "motorcycle oil" that simply can't cut the 500o+ overheating mustard than they would pay for an entire GALLON of T6 at Walmart's every day low $22 price. Remember == T6 is noted as being very very heat stable (it is not even going to notice your overheating episode at all). ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by verslagen1 on 05/14/12 at 15:41:00 7376717A7D77140 wrote:
Arg, keel haulin' is too good for ya [smiley=evil.gif] |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by LANCER on 05/14/12 at 16:40:27 Wow, I've been missing the party ! |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/14/12 at 17:59:16 Greg, every new person who accidentally starts an oil war apologizes for doing it. Fact is, we start them by answering the question which provokes Bill and then it is off to the races and it all slides downhill from there. Let's see, where is slippery Bill slid off to now? Has he started the wiggle worm routine yet? Where is he gotten off to now? Oh yes, he now disavows throwing Klotz under the bus and says he's never really used Mobile 1 (car style) in a motorcycle because he's gonna change it out of his 1500 twin and put in the big K red koolade. OK Bill, if Mobile 1 (car) is such great stuff, why are you being so quick to take it out of your 1500cc Suzuki V twin and put the big K koolade into it? |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by bill67 on 05/14/12 at 18:33:59 Its been in it for 2 years I don't think that is to quick,When did you useMobil One car oil in a motorcycle |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/14/12 at 18:57:56 Bill, don't get confused. I never put Mobile 1 SM or SN car oil into a motorcycle like you just recommended (then retracted) -- ever. I did put some Extended Grade Mobil 1 (SL spec'd) 0w50 into my Savage when it was a puppy (before JASO ratings and motorcycle oils became commonplace) and I ran it for five quick normal Suzuki oil change intervals until Mobil screwed their oil all up with the SM changeover (historical fact -- see BITOG) and I went over to Rotella T Full Synthetic (soon to become Rotella T6). Metal produced by my engine during this Mobile 1 use period was greater than the amount of metal produced later on by Rotella (even though I quickly began extending the drain interval on the Rotella Synthetic to a full year and in that same time period I began to run the snot out of the engine with the new hot stage 2 cam). Please note: newer engines likely do make more metal than well seasoned older engines -- I believe this and point it out to you now for consideration. So, when I say Rotella T6 is "better oil than Mobil 1" well, I have an empirical & reasonable reason to say that. Not to mention what BITOG says, or anybody else says. As always, I offer data and pictures when I say something -- so here is my source material: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1197231468/0 MOBIL 1 0w50 FULL SYNTHETIC oil, 1 year 5 oil changes (suzuki recommended intervals) http://photos.gunloads.com/images/Oldfeller/stalactites.jpg http://photos.gunloads.com/images/Oldfeller/magnet.jpg ==================== ROTELLA T6 5w40 FULL SYNTHETIC oil, 1 year, same oil for a year (no changes) http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/Low_amounts_of_mud1.JPG And I have never never thrown my oil under the bus in a fit of forgetfulness |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/14/12 at 21:37:14 202B2E2E7475420 wrote:
I call for the Kangaroo Kourt to come into session. Bill is accused of making unsubstantiated claims about oil again -- this time making unsubstantiated and misleading negative claims about somebody else's oil and in a libelous fashion (being in print form in front of hundreds of readers). This is Bill's fourth repeat offense. I question if leniency should be extended again, or if the prior sentencing should be summarily carried out. May I ask the Kourt to repeat what Bill was told was going to happen to him if he repeated his bullshootin' offenses yet again? Will the Kourt scribe please read the record of the Kangaroo Kourt's sentence that passed on Bill after the last Oil War? ::) and I'd better quit calling Klotz "red koolade" and saying it's made out of female estro hormones although it could be as nobody really knows what "Estrolin base oil" is made out of -- although a Google search of the term comes up with this: "Estrolin is a natural transdermal antiandrogen complex believed to interfere with the formation of DHT, the primary cause of female hair loss." ..... so you could kinda say it is mebbe a female hormonal product of some sort ..... |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by verslagen1 on 05/14/12 at 22:04:52 07242C2E2D24242D3A480 wrote:
male hair loss too. :o No wonder Bill's hair is falling out -- he rubs the stuff on his head all the time |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Gyrobob on 05/15/12 at 07:02:07 Bill has a need to reinforce our opinions of his knowledge and analytical prowess every few weeks or so. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by bill67 on 05/15/12 at 10:46:18 19272C313C313C5E0 wrote:
Yes I do,And I always eat a big bowl of wheat germ first,So I'm at my best. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by gcsdls on 05/15/12 at 11:44:31 You guys have made me laugh more today than I have in some time! ;D And I have learned a lot about oil in just a few minutes of reading, so oil wars (in print) are very good things..... Just my .02 |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Savage 1987 on 05/15/12 at 12:45:13 I guess an oil change is now on my list for this weekend. Rotella T6. I am so impressionable. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by TossingLead on 05/15/12 at 13:00:27 OK Oil Can help, but what about the oil cooler and what size cooler, who has one and do you have pix? |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by gcsdls on 05/15/12 at 13:01:31 I'm going to throw in another question into the mix here. I have a diesel car, so I know that Rotella is good stuff. But how does it compare to Amsoil? Over at the TDIClub.com website, they have such oil wars, and it usually revolves around Amsoil vs. Rotella. Have any of you used Amsoil? It's great in a diesel.... |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/15/12 at 13:20:27 No bones to pick with Amisol products in general other than it costs 2-3 times more than it should, it always tests out to meet the specs it advertises. Rotella (if weight is appropriate) can be used in any vehicle that isn't equipped with a catalytic converter that might be harmed by the high levels of ZDDP in the Rotella products. However, the same caution applies to Amisol products since they have as much or more ZDDP in them as Rotella does --- but Amisol does not bother to warn anyone about killing their catalytic converters by using their high ZDDP oils. VERY FEW oil coolers have been installed here on the list -- explanation is up thread. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by gcsdls on 05/15/12 at 13:25:43 I hear you on the expense of Amsoil. So tell me...which is better oil? Which holds up better? I know the Amsoil holds up under normal circumstances...and I also know that Rotella does the same. I've never heard horror stories about Rotella, but I have heard horror stories about Amsoil...and don't know whether to believe them or not. :-/ Any bad experiences with either? |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by bill67 on 05/15/12 at 13:33:14 75656774766737363436060 wrote:
If you use rotella T6 be sure to use that additive it needs that OF uses .Or get Klotz no additive needed. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by verslagen1 on 05/15/12 at 13:42:45 272C29297372450 wrote:
If you use rotella T6 be sure to use that additive it needs that OF uses .Or get Klotz no additive needed.[/quote] Additive needed only if you're breaking in a hot cam. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Savage 1987 on 05/15/12 at 13:51:35 53405756494442404B14250 wrote:
If you use rotella T6 be sure to use that additive it needs that OF uses .Or get Klotz no additive needed.[/quote] Additive needed only if you're breaking in a hot cam.[/quote] No breaking-in of any hot cams here. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by bill67 on 05/15/12 at 13:54:49 Amsoil you wouldn't need and additive either,Or Mobil One. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by gcsdls on 05/15/12 at 13:59:08 Why have I never heard of Klotz oil? Just wondering.... |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/15/12 at 14:56:25 252131262E31420 wrote:
Here is the straight skinny on "holding up better", nobody runs a synthetic oil long enough in a motorcycle engine to use up all the additives in either Amisol or Rotella T6. Nobody here but Bill really leaves oil in their bike for 2+ years at a lick with the standard motorcycle air and oil filtration systems in place. I have worked my way up to "once a year" oil changes but it took me a while to do it and I modified my air filtration system to remove all the fine itty bitty dust particles so I could go for a whole year at a time. (dust in the air turns into the silica content in your oil) Every year I dump out "still usable" oil just to get the silica build up out of there .... ======================= Now I can answer which oil system does the best job. Amisol is too pricey and you can't justify using it economically without taking risks with extended oil change intervals. Depends on how you buy it, but $12 a quart seems commonplace (especially when you factor in the shipping if you buy it on line). Buying big blue gallon jugs of Rotella T6 at less than half the cost, I can cheerfully dump a sump a year, get all the silica out of the engine and KNOW I have an oil that I haven't nearly used up yet, that has a heat resistance temperature range that our Savage can't even reach and I know I can buy it anytime I want more at my local Walmart for $22 a gallon. ;D ;D ;D Unless you grew up around old two stroke snowmobiles or two stroke racing bikes you have never heard of Klotz. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/15/12 at 15:04:50 73787D7D2726110 wrote:
Amisol Racing oil, no as a matter of fact you would not. Mobil 1 car like you have been erroneously saying is OK, yes you would need ZDDP booster and since the ZDDP level in Mobil 1 is sooooo durn low now you'd need a whole lot of it. But even the thought of Bill with a hot Lancer stage 2 cam in his bike, it is just too too pulp fiction to the max ..... |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by bill67 on 05/15/12 at 16:20:03 Thats where Klotz comes in. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by bill67 on 05/15/12 at 16:23:13 575343545C43300 wrote:
I never heard of Rotella till OF started talking about it here,Wal Mart has way to many oils to even notice Rotella. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/15/12 at 18:27:27 7A7174742E2F180 wrote:
I never heard of Rotella till OF started talking about it here,Wal Mart has way to many oils to even notice Rotella.[/quote] Yep, Wal Mart has every oil of consequence. But guess which one they don't have (lemme give you a hint, it sounds a bit like Klutz but with more of an "O" sound.) |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Gyrobob on 05/15/12 at 19:52:28 292D3D2A223D4E0 wrote:
Because it only impresses folks like Bill. Not too many people know about it. Or Bill. Or care about it. Or Bill. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Gyrobob on 05/15/12 at 19:54:14 Oldfeller states Quote:
Astute observation, there, oldfeller. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by thumperclone on 05/15/12 at 23:05:54 675C40405A5D547F565257330 wrote:
save your money get a temp gauge , attach the sender to the front port off the pump youll see you dont need a cooler.. did this on my 06 stop and go 100f ambient temp has never gone outta the safe range.. btw amsoil motorcycle now some off brand syn from orielly auto parts.. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by thumperclone on 05/15/12 at 23:07:59 courious what years' oil war has the most posts.. seems we have on bout this time every year.. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by verslagen1 on 05/16/12 at 00:27:13 6E726F776A7F68797675747F1A0 wrote:
save your money get a temp gauge, attach the sender to the front port off the pump you'll see you don't need a cooler.. did this on my 06 stop and go 100f ambient temp has never gone outta the safe range.. btw amsoil motorcycle now some off brand syn from o'rielly auto parts..[/quote] The savage is oil and air cooled. while the oil never exceeds a safe range, parts of the engine may. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/16/12 at 04:53:12 Verslagen collected data all summer long one hot summer a year or so ago, pausing on the interstate once and checking as soon as he got home again as part of an oil study between two oils. Head never got over 360o, sump ran about 250o if my memory is correct. (memory correction is desired, please) Mind you, this was not idling in place, which can get things hot enough to discolor your pipes if allowed to go on for too long. The point folks keep making is that the bike doesn't really need an oil cooler and if you can keep from idling in place for 15 minutes you don't even need fancy super temperature oil. You do need a good oil with a lot of ZDDP to keep your flat tappets from degrading and your cam chain from stretching any faster than it already does ..... The least expensive JASO approved dino oil that meets these more realistic requirement is only $13 a gallon from Walmart. http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/02/14/00/56/0002140056026_300X300.jpg Note: this stuff is still pretty durn temperature stable and it can go through 500o turbocharger exhaust bearings for at least 10,000 miles, conservatively. This information provided from someone who was arguing against it at the time who had actually used it professionally as an over the road trucker. It gets used by more people here on the list than any oil mentioned up to this point as it "gets the job done" and is quite reasonable in price with an entire gallon selling for what a quart of Amisol costs. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by bill67 on 05/16/12 at 04:56:55 0F2C2426252C2C2532400 wrote:
I never heard of Rotella till OF started talking about it here,Wal Mart has way to many oils to even notice Rotella.[/quote] Yep, Wal Mart has every oil of consequence. But guess which one they don't have (lemme give you a hint, it sounds a bit like Klutz but with more of an "O" sound.)[/quote] Did you ever try to buy gold at wal mart |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by Oldfeller on 05/16/12 at 05:01:33 Over at the jewellery counter by the watches. The big thick rapper chains are best as you can break off links to buy groceries if things ever do go to pieces on us. |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/16/12 at 05:07:59 4F4441411B1A2D0 wrote:
I never heard of Rotella till OF started talking about it here,Wal Mart has way to many oils to even notice Rotella.[/quote] Yep, Wal Mart has every oil of consequence. But guess which one they don't have (lemme give you a hint, it sounds a bit like Klutz but with more of an "O" sound.)[/quote] Did you ever try to buy gold at wal mart[/quote] Thats almost as hard as sellin BS here, innit Bill? |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by ThumperKat on 05/16/12 at 18:32:24 thanks all..and Oldfeller, i'm bout to change oil and using synthetic for 1st time, going with the Rotella T6, too many good plugs for it not to. that and the price...less than what a gal of some conventionals go for. i too have the all to familiar leaky oil plug on top of cyl..been living w/it, just requires a bit of wiping after the ride...well that and a bit of smoke off the header...that gets me some worried looks...heeheeheehee. anyway! thanks again for all the replies, prolly never get thru em all, but will try..keep it shiny! kat |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by ThumperKat on 05/16/12 at 18:52:56 well....i did get thru all the posts, and i'd just like to say sorry for startin' another oil war! or was one due? i've been using suzuki 10-40 in mine up to now, but have wanted to try a syn for some time, soo, this is the time! by the way, OF, T6 here at the local wally is $21.36! woohoo! lol.... once again, thanks everyone! kat |
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Title: Re: Oil Coolers Post by verslagen1 on 05/16/12 at 20:23:44 7F5C5456555C5C5542300 wrote:
http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Oil%20War/RotSynT6-1.jpg http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1283117891/0 |
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