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Title: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by Dave Sisk on 05/11/12 at 18:49:09 Keep in mind I'm a bit of a newby here. Twice now, going out of my neighborhood onto the main road, my start hasn't been quite so smooth, and I drifted close to the oncoming lane before getting the bike moving and stable. It's a right turn AND an uphill start from a full stop. I feel a little...clumsy?...and inaccurate at it. What's the best way to execute this consistently? The bike wants to roll back from the stop sign, since the road is a little uphill. Keeping my right foot on the rear brake feels kinda awkward since I have to lean to the right immediately on the start (or I end up in the oncoming lane :o) . It's a little awkward fenagling the throttle plus the right brake with my right hand. It's a small curvy secondary road, and cars often exceed the 45 mph speed limit, so I do want to get moving and up to speed quickly. Is there a good technique to executing this smoothly and accurately? Or, is it better to just stop so that the bike is already pointed in the direction that I'm going to pull out and go? :P What do you guys do? (I'll bet it's so second-nature now that most of you don't even think about what you actually do...so maybe it's just a matter of more practice on my part.) Cheers, Dave |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by Serowbot on 05/11/12 at 19:08:24 Yer' right... it is second nature... Practice in a parking lot or someplace secluded... once the wheel has gone a half a rotation,.. I'm usually on it enough to release the brake. ... a little higher rev's and a little more clutch slip,.. n' yer' off to the races... Just takes practice... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by Dave Sisk on 05/11/12 at 19:16:35 4254435E46535E45310 wrote:
Figured so. ;) I know part of it is mental...I'm focused on getting moving pretty quickly so I don't get squashed like a bug by someone going 60 or so around the curve. :P 4254435E46535E45310 wrote:
Front or rear brake, or a little of both? Which do you normally use to keep yourself from rolling backward on a hill? (In other words, what's the best habit to form?) Cheers, Dave |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by runwyrlph on 05/11/12 at 19:25:26 I think if i'm at a stop getting ready to start uphill and right i'd have both feet down, clutch in, hold it with front brake whilechecking for oncoming traffic, etc Smooth start on a hill: don't try to brake and throttle at the same time. (You might hold the brake a teensy bit with your fingertips as you start to give throttle,) Let go of the brake as you give it a little throttle and simultaneously let the clutch out a little bit, just until it "grabs", keep adding a little more throttle and a little less clutch till you're rolling, once you're rolling let the clutch out all the way. (You need to give a little more throttle than you would for a normal start, since you're going up the hill.) Meanwhile, (since you're turning right up the hill) you need to get the bike leaning right. Since you're barely moving yet, you can't lean into the turn as you normally do in a curve. to lean the bike, you slide your body left (as a counterweight) while pushing your bars to the right (and looking to the right where you want to go). Low speed stuff is definitely harder, but take a day and practice a little and you'll be amazed how much more in control (and less of a dork) you feel! See these 2 good books with a lot of good information: Proficient Motorcycling by david hough, and total Control by ... ??? I can't remember i'm sure you can google it :) (I found Proficient Motorcycling the more useful of the 2 books) Check your local library - mine has both books - you really only need to borrow it every year or so to brush up, |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by Serowbot on 05/11/12 at 19:36:01 I think I thought of a better explanation... Think of it a s a drag race launch... Use some front brake to hold the bike, while you raise the rpm's a few hundred and start to release the clutch... when the clutch is out enough to start loading up the engine and rpm's lower, release the brake and clutch as you gas it... You can practice this on flat, in a parking lot, if you think of it as a drag race launch... same basic movement,.. just less rpm's than in a race... ...(unless it's more like a cliff than a hill)... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by Dave Sisk on 05/11/12 at 19:43:04 OK, cool. I have to do the same thing out of my cul-de-sac (stop sign, uphill right turn) and I have been practicing there...somehow there it just seems easier though. I guess I'm not concerned about someone barreling down on me at 60 mph when it's my cul-de-sac. :P Dave |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by verslagen1 on 05/11/12 at 19:50:52 find yourself a hill out of traffic and practice. don't bother with turn at 1st, just take off straight. you should be able to take off from a dead stop and go. |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by Dead Fish on 05/11/12 at 20:14:50 Dave, As a new rider, I am out of bounds giving advice so take this for what it is worth. Until you get the experience you need to make that sharp right hand turn, uphill, into oncoming traffic, you might remember the old saying..."two wrongs don't make a right...but three lefts sure the heck do". No shame in making a left and coming back around at the next intersection to avoid a dangerous situation. |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by DrunkenDwarf on 05/11/12 at 20:47:09 One other option - don't use the brake on the hill. Just keep your RPMs up a little and ride the clutch. After a little practice you can hold yourself still (or rock just a little as you feather the clutch/throttle). Keep the handlebars right and when you get a clear spot, just take off. It might be worth while to practice starting from a dead stop on flat ground with your handlebars all the way to one side or the other. You should be able to get going within the width of a parking spot after some practice. Here's some exercises I used to do (and probably should start doing again): http://www.msgroup.org/Tip.aspx?Num=194 -D. Dwarf |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/11/12 at 21:55:18 UPhill, Right hand turn, set up near center line, come to the stop turned part way. Left hand, same thing, except be away from center. As time goes by, you wont need the cheater., |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by Cavi Mike on 05/11/12 at 22:53:18 You sound like you may be leaning with the bike if you're drifting. Stay upright and lean the bike during low-speed turns, the bike is much more controllable. |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by Dave Sisk on 05/11/12 at 23:52:36 465542435C5157555E01300 wrote:
Yup, got that down. And can execute it all just fine out of my cul-de-sac and another steeper uphill/right turn start from another cul-de-sac. I think maybe I'm just focusing too much on "oh nuts, let me get going before a car appears out of nowhere". So...I'll just keep practicing until it's completely 2nd nature (and cheat a little like was suggested in one of the posts). Cheers, Dave |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by verslagen1 on 05/12/12 at 00:02:35 if you got it down then it's not the hill hey did you hear? some duche bag in poland terrorized his neighbors by ripping up and down the street at maniac speeds. so they got a crane and put his car up in a tree. |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by heroicseven on 05/12/12 at 00:32:15 I just let the clutch out wee bit by wee bit until i feel it grab and the rev's drop just a smidge. Then I don't need a brake the gearbox holds the bike steady for a moment or two and I just can drop the clutch at the same time I give it gas and i'm off. :D I say go out early in the morning and practice with minimal traffic. Around my house the middle of the night is a good time too. Good luck hope this helps! |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by Paraquat on 05/12/12 at 08:10:32 ^^^ What he said. Right hand brake, left hand eases out on the clutch until you feel it bite. Then you just sit pretty until you're good to go. Motorcycle classes, or at least the one I took, teach you that the clutch is an on/off switch. It can be (ab)used in a few different ways. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by Dave Sisk on 05/12/12 at 09:08:51 Cool posts guys. Yeah, I've gotten into the habit of going to the whole clutch friction zone/rear brake/throttle balancing act every time I hit 1st gear when decelerating (the same tap dance that's used to do low speed maneuvers). It seems like a good habit, right? I think holding the bike at an uphill stop sign with the clutch is a pretty good idea (at least just before take off), I'll try to make that a habit too. I wonder how long the clutch will last with all this slippage going on? ;D Dave |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/12/12 at 09:18:09 Use the brakes to hold the bike in place till youre ready to go, then transition to clutch & drop the brake, |
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Title: Re: Starting into an uphill turn from a stop... Post by Arizuno on 05/12/12 at 13:00:25 I'm probably too inexperienced and too inept to chime in here, but one of the things I've stuggled with most is learning to use the clutch as a "governor". In a car or truck we all learn to use the (dry) clutch as little as possible to avoid burning it. In my case that amounted more than 40 years of motorcycle-inappropriate experience. Our (wet) Savage clutches are far less prone to slip damage, as I now understand it, and thus far more useful as low-speed control devices. My MSF instructor didn't stress this forcefully enough to penetrate my limited wit, but it is central to this discussion. Understand that once you've got enough RPMs to move the bike at low speed, you can comfortably control acceleration with the clutch while maintaining throttle. As you finish the turn you can add throttle and increase clutch engagement as simultaneously (and undramatically) as you wish. I'll second the "Proficient Motorcycling" recommendation; tons of useful - and potentially life-saving - information. |
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