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Title: new cap w/o key Post by thomasoconnor19 on 05/04/12 at 08:23:33 My Savage gas cap is locked up...the key can be inserted but it wont turn. I'm going to drill it out and want to replace it with one that doesn't require a key. What kind of cap do I need to get that will fit the tank? |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by Savage_Rob on 05/04/12 at 08:25:26 Whatever you come up with, be sure it's vented. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/04/12 at 08:32:57 Have you pushed down on the cap to relieve the friction on the retracting parts? Put some graphite in the lock? YOu have another key? |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by thomasoconnor19 on 05/04/12 at 09:42:44 56494F4855526353635B49450E3C0 wrote:
Yeah...I have 3 keys that I've tried. I've tried pushing down on the cap as well and gave it a few taps with a mallet, but no luck. I've tried graphite, PB Blaster, silicone lube....nothing has been able to free the lock. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by Serowbot on 05/04/12 at 09:48:11 I'm no help,.. sorry... ...but I wish I could get a non-locking cap , too... or convert the stock one... I may try a and convert it... if I figure a way, I'll post it... Locking 2 gallons of gas is just silly... :-?... |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by verslagen1 on 05/04/12 at 09:49:47 pick it take a flat wire like the kind you find in windshield wipers and bend it about quarter inch from the end, use this to twist the key cylinder. get another round wire like a small paper clip, on the end put a little bump so it will just push one pin in at a time. use the flat wire to twist the cylinder and stroke up and down with the round wire, keep doing it till the lock opens. then use the instruction in tool box rekeying. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by Wolfman on 05/04/12 at 11:15:13 Yeah its only a few bucks worth of gas serowbot. But you really want to take a chance with the haters of riders out there. Bad enough they throw their lights on bright, try to run you off the road, slow down ect. You really want to leave it unlocked so some A-Hole can dump some sugar in your tank just because he dont like Bikes? Ill keep my locking cap. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by Serowbot on 05/04/12 at 11:38:15 Wolf,.. is your oil filler cap locked?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by thomasoconnor19 on 05/04/12 at 12:08:14 I guess I'll try to pick it, its worth a shot. But even if that opens it up...I'm wondering if the lock will still be usable with a key after? |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by verslagen1 on 05/04/12 at 12:44:36 Picking it means aligning the pins w/o a key. Not forcing it. Look thru the tOol box rekeying it'll show you how to rekey. You only need 1 pin to keep the cylinder locked. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by heroicseven on 05/04/12 at 13:00:49 I just went through this. TAKE IT TO A LOCKSMITH! let them have a look before drilling it out. For ten bucks they may be able to pick it. Finding a replacement will cost you 50 bucks or more with a key and working lock. I got lucky and found one at a salvage yard but its a pain in the butt for sure. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by thomasoconnor19 on 05/04/12 at 13:35:53 75786F72747E6E786B78731D0 wrote:
I considered a locksmith, I guess i have to call around and get some quotes. What I'm wondering is if the locksmith ends up picking the lock....will the lock be in good enough condition to continue using? If he picks it and its in bad shape, I mine as well just drill it out and buy a new one. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/04/12 at 14:38:22 You can take the lock apart & clean it up & get it working once he picks it,, picking a lock doesnt harm it any way,.unless ya "pick it" with a crowbar.. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by heroicseven on 05/04/12 at 14:50:36 Mine got stuck as i was filling up, I got "lucky" and it was already off so I couldn't get it back on. Luckily there was a AAA tow truck there so i stuffed the hole and got a lift home. It took the locksmith 5 minutes to get it open, change the pins so that my key worked again, and lubricated all of the moving pieces. Its smooth as silk. If you can ride any distance and still get home, I would strongly consider taking it to a locksmith. wont cost more than 20 bucks. but if you feel like drilling is your only option go for it, its just a lot of trouble to go through if a locksmith can pick it, clean it, and have you on your way. Just my 2 cents. I looked and looked for non oem replacements and found none. all replacement caps seemed to needed to be welded in. good luck with your cap. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/04/12 at 16:25:02 You can have the lock cylinder left w/o a lock,,so anything will open it, a screwdriver, or key blank, you could even mod the lock cylinder & put a knob on it, I think youd be way ahead to not drill it,. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by Cavi Mike on 05/05/12 at 03:24:52 786463616D7F636F636262637E3D350C0 wrote:
Picking a lock doesn't involve doing anything that can damage the lock, he just manually moves each tumbler into position and then turns it. He can just pick it for you and then possibly change the tumblers to fit your key. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/05/12 at 03:35:40 This cap worked for you before? Did it slowly get cantankerous? What happened? |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by thumperclone on 05/05/12 at 11:50:57 a guy i knew had his goldwing ruined by his soon to be ex wife whe she dumped sugar in his unlocked tank... |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/05/12 at 16:47:13 726D6B6C71764777477F6D612A180 wrote:
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by thomasoconnor19 on 05/05/12 at 16:54:25 47585E5944437242724A58541F2D0 wrote:
Bought the bike with the cap locked up |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/05/12 at 17:44:27 So, its problee been sitting outside, huhh? Have ya tried drizzling some Kroil in it? How long was it parked? You mite not need a locksmith, put some good penetrant it, Im no fan of WD 40, wintergreen oil is good, Kroil is good, run the key in & out about 150 times in 3 seconds,, dont gouge the tank,, Park it in the sun & let the cap get HOT,With the key in it, let it soak with the key in it, pushing on those little springs. then cool it down with some ice in a rag & let it get hot again,,mess with it,,not just putting the key in & trying to turn it, youve gotta make the cylinders guts loosen up.. Once youve real;ly worked at it, taking care to not twist the key off, of course, If you just cant win, then before you take it to get help, with the key in, wrap a piecew of wood in a towel, lay it on the cap, by the key & lightly slap it with a screwdriver handle,,just sit there & spank on it quickly & lightly.,Let that thing soak a day & cycle it hot & cold with the key in it, give it some vibration & Ill bet it lets go,, Unless its just the wrong dang cap.,. & remember, the tabs that lock it are against the lip of the tank, pushing down on the cap while you turn the key makes it a lot easier. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by Wolfman on 05/07/12 at 13:01:04 No bot its not, wish it was. Thing is most one eyebrowed low IQ knuckle draging haters dont think about that. Just the gas tank. Easy quick access. Had a couple of kids(12-14) sugared my bronco years back. Why? Cause they were bored and thought it would be fun. Caught em but our local rural barney fifes would'nt do anything because i did'nt see them actualy pouring the sugar in.(sugar on their hands, jeans and tennis shoes though) They DID help remove and clean the gas tank in the heat at MY insistance though...lol Reason i got locking gas caps on all vehicles now. That and gas aint That cheap...lol On a side note cops would'nt do anything when they tried to burn the apartments down one night because noone actualy seen them light the match. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by verslagen1 on 05/07/12 at 13:27:59 children are legally negligent. to the point that if you park your hot m/c and they walk up and grab the exhaust, you can be sued. So, getting them to clean it out was about all you could do besides telling their daddy and hope he would tan their hides. Sugar does not dissolve in gasoline. The old myth that sugar will "caramelize" once it gets into the cylinders and turn your cylinder walls into peanut brittle is false. But it will clog up your filter. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/07/12 at 13:34:49 So, getting them to clean it out was about all you could do besides telling their daddy and hope he would tan their hides. Children of the "Hide Tannin" daddy types arent usually the hooligans.. they done been taught better.. Usually,, My dad had a sayin, took me years to understand it If youve got one boy, youve got a boy, if youve got two boys, youve got half a boy, if youve got more than 2 boys, you aint got no boy at all,.. & NOW I get it. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by verslagen1 on 05/07/12 at 13:54:00 Knowing this, I really don't know how they can arrest a child for anything they do in school. How can an 8 year old be charged with sexual harasment for singing "I'm so sexy" ? And will he have to wear that stigma for the rest of his life? People nowadays don't know sh!t from shinola. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/07/12 at 21:45:42 So, Thomas,, YOu makin any headway? What have you tried? |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by thomasoconnor19 on 06/28/12 at 13:33:15 i am just getting around to this now. going to try to pick the lock or force it open somehow. if i damage it to where it can open with any key, that is fine. which was do you guys rotate the key to open the cap? that would help me out. |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by verslagen1 on 06/28/12 at 14:08:27 clockwise, I think. It's been a whole day since I've done it. ;D |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by John in Kalifornia on 06/28/12 at 16:56:32 I bought a bike with a locked cap. Got a locksmith to unlock it so it could be opened with a screwdriver, clockwise. I turned it CCW and relocked it, luckily off the bike. Haven't figured out how to take the cap apart to make it non-locking, think I broke it. Now the tank is taped up for a seal, not the best solution. There must be a non-locking gas tank cap that fits. Something cheap, not a billet bit from the Hardly boutique. Anybody up for a cruise to the junkyard? I can't believe that everybody on this list is using the same gas cap; must be someone who knows of a replacement without a key. None of the other bikes I've owned over the past 40 some years had a locked cap. John in Kalifornia |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by heroicseven on 06/28/12 at 20:56:53 ive scoured the salvage in the area as well as the interenet for yamahas and suzukies alike, they are all extremely similar but the only one i found was the original cap. The next best option assuming you can weld would be a screw in replacement. oem ones go for $100+ |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by verslagen1 on 06/28/12 at 22:34:46 it's not that hard really. take it apart till you can pull the cylinder, then reorganize the pins. any pins you can't get flush, leave 'em out. All you need is one. I think if you leave them all out, it won't stay in. but you can try it. can't figure it out? send it to me. just send return postage. I can pick 'em too. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1197567326/0 http://i45.tinypic.com/nlztpt.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/28ro7lg.jpg http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/DSCN0241.JPG http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/DSCN0242.JPG http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/DSCN0246.JPG |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by John in Kalifornia on 06/29/12 at 02:05:07 Well, if I can find it, I'll send it to you. I think I may have f'ed it up and then threw it somewhere where I wouldn't be reminded of my impatience. So the consensus is that there is no available non-OEM non-locking replacement? John in Kalifornia |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/12 at 04:14:42 Havin a look inside the tank & how its designed, how the cap locks in, I dont think Ive seen anything that will just go in & do it, Mite be some old style cap from the 50's with the spring steel tabs across that could be modified to fit, |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by 360k+ on 06/29/12 at 07:44:13 I'll tell ya one thing... after reading this, I'm pulling my cap off, scraping off any crud, and lubing the working parts. Now I think I have a clearer understanding of the snafu with the Hubble. Good locksmithing lessons versy, and the onion added a nice touch too 8-) |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by lch2 on 06/29/12 at 07:47:13 hello verslagen1 thanks for the pictures I'm also removing the locking from my cap, I was able to follow to picture two, removing the two screws holding the plate in place, however I was not able to remove the cylinder, in the following pictures I see the cylinder out but I think that is the one from the tool box, how do I remove the cylinder, by pulling it from the two circular pieces? |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/12 at 07:54:45 Graphite is the normal lock lubricant. It doesnt get full of dust & doent get sticky when its cold, Just put some in, poke the key in & work it some, do that a few times. Of course, the prongs that move in & out could stand some lube other than graphite, |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by verslagen1 on 06/29/12 at 07:56:30 7B747F25170 wrote:
Insert the key, turn and pull it out with the key. If you don't have a key, at this point you need to pick it. when you pull the key out of the cylinder, hold on to the pins, they will shoot out. :o |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by lch2 on 06/29/12 at 08:04:05 697A6D6C737E787A712E1F0 wrote:
Insert the key, turn and pull it out with the key. If you don't have a key, at this point you need to pick it. when you pull the key out of the cylinder, hold on to the pins, they will shoot out. :o[/quote] Thanks, will try tonight! |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by thomasoconnor19 on 07/03/12 at 08:41:06 got it fixed...just took a little force with a flathead screwdriver and it opened up. key still works! |
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Title: Re: new cap w/o key Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/03/12 at 15:59:06 Ta Daaaah! Dont it feel great to win one? |
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