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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> More issues with the bike... /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1334618554 Message started by Zeke342 on 04/16/12 at 16:22:34 |
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Title: More issues with the bike... Post by Zeke342 on 04/16/12 at 16:22:34 Finally, after 5+ years our savage is running again and we thought wonderfully. Until today. Went on about a 20 mile ride and pushed in the choke when the bike was nice a warmed up.. well.. when i push in the choke the bike putters HARD and starts jerking and can't get any form of acceleration out of it.. nothin.. The only mechanical mods to the bike is a straight pipe, soon to have a baffle in it because it is WAY too loud. I was wondering if lack of back pressure could cause this problem and if a baffle would fix that? It was rejetted when the exhaust was put on.. Just unsure of what could cause this and I'm fairly certain it is bad to ride with the choke out constantly, right? Is there something I can adjust.. or what :(?? |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by verslagen1 on 04/16/12 at 16:32:59 put the baffle in see what happens if it don't fix'er up, clean the carb if it don't fix'er up, re jet the carb |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Cavie on 04/17/12 at 16:33:54 Carb rejeting is best left to the experts. I don't care how easy you think it is. Both my bikes start with no choke, warm up just fine in a few min at idle speed. Volusia 800 and S40 Boulavard |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/17/12 at 21:19:26 4A485F404C290 wrote:
Naaah,,, If I can do it, INNNY body can do it.. |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Serowbot on 04/17/12 at 23:07:40 Baffles should help... Do that first,.. then adjust as needed... Heck,.. even JOG can do it... (quite well, I'll bet)... ;)... |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/18/12 at 02:05:05 Ohh yea,, Im always baffled,, |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Savage_Rob on 04/18/12 at 07:53:16 494B5C434F2A0 wrote:
Gotta agree with JOG. Lancer has provided some excellent instruction (available in the Tech section) to which others have added on. If you follow it, tuning a carb (especially a single carb) is pretty simple. I'm an amateur when it comes to engines and I can do it. |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Zeke342 on 04/22/12 at 11:11:31 Okay.. So we put in two different baffles, one restricted air flow ALOT but kept it pretty quiet.. the other restricted a little and not so much quite. However... Now the bike acclerates to about 5-10mph and then shakes VIOLENTLY.. if I shift into second its okay.. until about 3 seconds of acceleration then more violent shaking. The bike wouldnt go over 35mph. In neutral reving the exhaust did nothing after about 1/3 throttle it was just constant backfires and just sounded like crap. We just realized today.. after getting the bike worked on a week or two back that the back has pipes.. no brand.. just something a friend of my dads did 5+ years back at the time it WAS rejetted. However after the back setting for 5+ years the carb needed to be rebuilt and cleaned and I'm fairly certain we stuck stock jets in there that came with the rebuild kit (big mistake?) unfortunately at the time the thought never once crossed our minds. Could not rejetting be the issue? My dad recommends I just order stock pipes for it (ebay?) Also, the bike ran perfectly fine the day before we put a new baffle in (the old one fell out mid ride -.-) it wouldn't start without choke all the way out but was fine (kinda.. a little jerky for the first 4 or 5 miles) after putting the choke in. When we took it to the shop, the mechanic said there was a bunch of crap in the tank so they stuck one of these on http://www.amazon.com/Visu-Filter-Large-Capacity-Fuel-Filter/dp/B004X9M7SC and it causes a mild bend in the fuel line, we took it off.. cleaned it all out.. but the problem persists. Unfortunately we just sunk $400+ into getting the bike running again.. so any method of fixing it without spending too much would be great, but understandably, not likely lol. Bike has just had a oil change.. Fresh fuel.. we want to seafoam it, but unsure how much to use and if it should just be dumped straight into the gas tank? |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by verslagen1 on 04/22/12 at 11:41:48 7F404E40161117250 wrote:
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about 1 ounce per gallon |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Zeke342 on 04/22/12 at 11:48:08 The old jets are kinda.. gone >.<.. How much does it cost to have a bike rejetted?? Also, How many gallons is the savage tank?? |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/22/12 at 11:52:25 073836386E696F5D0 wrote:
You do it,, almost free, let someone else do it, & its spendy,,& it may need done again,, just do it,, If you dont learn to do the maintenance on it, its gonna cost more than owning it is worth,. Get the tools, get a manual, hang out here, have fun, save Tons of Mu Neee,, & ride instead of wait on the shop to get to your low buck job instead of working on the high dollar bikes,, & these things tend to get ruined in the shop, because they put the wormiest "mechanic" they have on them, Quote:
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by verslagen1 on 04/22/12 at 11:53:05 what year is it? |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Zeke342 on 04/22/12 at 12:07:07 Sorry, its 1997. I'm just confused as to how the jets are causing the problem, the bike ran fine the day before sticking the baffle in it. Without the baffle it was kinda jerky but not that bad (before that, it wasn't jerky at all) and with the baffle it's too jerky to even top 35mph >.< but now without the baffle its still too jerky.. Where can I get a tutorial/manual to rejet and what all do i need (tools etc..) to do it? Lets pretend I'm mechanically stupid lol. I can remove the carb and take it apart.. but as far as tuning a carb.. not a clue in the world. Edit: I know elevation has a lot to do the bike.. I live in Oklahoma.. my area is about 500 - 800 ft |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Serowbot on 04/22/12 at 12:17:56 Serowbot's carb tuning tips for beginners... (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1309246277) |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by verslagen1 on 04/22/12 at 12:21:59 stock for a 97 is a 145 main jet. straight pipes are the hardest to jet and get right. bot's carb turning is the best for those who are dangerous. ;D I suggest you start with a 155, get 1 smaller and 2 bigger. |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Zeke342 on 04/22/12 at 12:39:13 I forgot to mention.. the bike runs just fine with the choke out. I think at half out and full out it runs alright, still a bit jerky though. |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by verslagen1 on 04/22/12 at 12:53:00 7D424C42141315270 wrote:
that's the last ditch effort to catch something large before it gets thru the float valve. you gotta filter between the carb and tank, should be fine. |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Zeke342 on 04/22/12 at 12:57:24 Dang... So the problem is MOST LIKELY the jets >.< dang. Any other "at home" possible solutions I could try out by chance lol? |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Serowbot on 04/22/12 at 13:26:30 675856580E090F3D0 wrote:
...a bit jerky, isn't alright... but if it's better with choke out, you need more jetting. Did we find out what your jetting is currently?... I'd start with a 152.5 or 155# main, and a 55# pilot... then follow the tuning guide to test.. |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Zeke342 on 04/22/12 at 13:30:44 Right now the jets are whatever comes with the rebuild kit (little baggy stapled to blue cardboard, i think it's mikuni).. so I'm not sure. Where do I buy the correct jets at? We just started the bike and thought maybe the idle was too high or low.. and any higher the whole bike is vibrating bad and way too loud and any lower the bike idles okay but every 5-8 seconds it sputters and sounds like it wants to die. We looked around and everywhere we looked people said not jetting would just make it run lean and none of the problem were experiencing was listed anywhere.. but since we can't find our problem and a fix anywhere.. well just take everyone heres word for it lol |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Serowbot on 04/22/12 at 13:36:38 Honestly,.. you may be in a little over your head... If you have the stock muffler or a Dyna, I'd put that in... jetting will be much easier and the bike will run better... Open pipes are just noisemakers... you can't really baffle an open pipe enough to make it a good exhaust, ...just not as bad as open... My bike, with a Dyna, will smoke any open piped Savage 0 - 90mph, and anywhere in between... Most entirely stock bikes will, too... I'd get that part 19# screen and put that in too... it may be necessary as a spacer to the seat... (should be there anyway)... ... and, are you Raptored? or have you checked the petcock?... See here... Test your Petcock,.. don't just turn it to Prime.. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1251932429/1) |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Zeke342 on 04/22/12 at 13:53:36 Yeah a friend of my dads put the pipe on there YEARS ago.. way too loud. I like the looks of it but the noise is just unnecessary. Its the only pipe we have unfortunately. The old petcock wasn't allowing fuel to flow at all, on PRI or ON so the mechanic put a totally new one on, it's not a raptor though. But with the tiny filter on we can see fuel flowing into the carb at a good rate. However, when removing the line a little bit of fuel did come out of the line. I think ill order a stock pop of eBay, they're a bit pricey, unless someone knows a better place to get one? And if I order that pipe should I still need to rejet? |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Zeke342 on 04/25/12 at 15:05:01 Pipe came in today and we installed it (SOOOO much quieter thankfully) but the problem still persists... it's not AS bad but still not rideable at all unless the choke is pulled out.. and the choke only has to be out a little bit, barely at all. and from what I understand riding with the choke out is a bad idea (constantly atleast) This is the carb rebuild kit we purchased a few months back (when it was still straight piped and not running AT ALL).. http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SUZUKI-CARBURETOR-REPAIR-KIT-LS650-SAVAGE-1996-2001-/360381130842#vi-content Sooo.. I'm wondering.. for Oklahoma, on a stock exhaust, what EXACTLY does anyone recommend goes in the carb, jets, etc..? I'm unsure where to buy jets from.. I only found reasonably priced ones from Ryca :( I heard lancer jets add power, right? I just want whatever is best for the bike, so it is running and reliable lol. And I'm at a loss for what I need and where to get it and I'm trying my best to avoid the mechanics cause we've already dropped enough money into the bike (probably more than it's even worth) |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/25/12 at 15:37:55 Ohhh maaan,, a stock muff? You coulda grabbed a Dyna & been way ahead in looks, sound, power & $$$,, other than that, ya did Great! |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by verslagen1 on 04/25/12 at 15:40:12 My understanding is that lancer supplied the jet kits to RYCA. can't say if they're the same as he may have customized it for them. |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Zeke342 on 04/25/12 at 15:48:40 The stock muffler sounds much better than the straight pipe, just wish that would have fixed the problem cause it was like $160 lol. I wanted to avoid Dyna cause I figured stock muffler on stock (rebuild kit) jets would resolve the issue.. I was wrong >.< |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/25/12 at 18:15:19 ooops.. You can drop some pounds, get a nice mellow sound, pick up a fraction of a horsepower & have a prettier ( IMO) muffler for $20.00..I think the Dyna is made for these things.. wish I woulda done that instead of the Supertrapp.. but it does run good as heck with the TRapp & 14 disks,, I gotta say..& it sounds Mahvelous, |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Zeke342 on 04/25/12 at 18:28:05 Well were gonna pull the carb apart in the morning, give it a thorough cleaning, and if that doesn't fix it were gonna order some jets I suppose. Does anyone know any easy way to get the carb back on and off the bike. The internals aren't an issue.. it's puttin the darn thing back on the bike that sucks. Should we have to remove the entire battery box?? |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by verslagen1 on 04/25/12 at 19:17:43 removing the bat box will give you more room to wrestle it on. |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Zeke342 on 04/25/12 at 19:23:15 So pretty much to rejet... Take carb off.. Put new jets in.. put carb back on... Test bike if it works... Success! If not... rinse and repeat -.-? Aside from taking the carb on and off, sounds easy lol. Also, can someone point me in the direction of exactly what jet kit I need (preferably affordable). I know of the ones on Ryca, but I'm unsure of exactly what size main and pilot jets, on a bone stock 1997 suzuki savage, in Oklahoma (about 600-800ft elevation).. A good estimate of what jets are most likely to work would be great :) Thanks everyone so far for the help! |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by verslagen1 on 04/25/12 at 19:31:33 no need to take out the carb. drop the bowl, you may need to pry on the bat box to get a little more room. give the carb a twist to the side for better access to the jets. |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Zeke342 on 04/25/12 at 19:34:24 Sorry, edited my post right before you replied lol. Wow, are you serious? I was expecting a much more difficult process lol. |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by verslagen1 on 04/25/12 at 19:37:57 495A4D4C535E585A510E3F0 wrote:
you should start with 150 with a stock muffler. |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Zeke342 on 04/25/12 at 19:45:46 So..150, 155, 152.5, 160, those sizes would be my best bet? I think I might be confused how jet sizes work. What pilot jets should I hunt down? |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by verslagen1 on 04/25/12 at 20:09:14 150, 152.5, 155, 157.5, 160, stock is 52.5 so 1 size up... 55 only up the pilot if you're 3 turns out. the number reflects volume of flow per time period. |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Zeke342 on 04/25/12 at 20:11:47 Awesome, if cleaning the carb in the morning doesn't work than I guess I'll order some jets. Any place I can order all those jets at the same time? |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by greenmonster on 04/26/12 at 09:07:46 Lancer does a nice Jet kit |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by serenity3743 on 04/26/12 at 11:21:45 625D535D0B0C0A380 wrote:
I believe the owners manual says 2.6 gallons, of which the .6 is reserve. |
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Title: Re: More issues with the bike... Post by Savage_Rob on 04/26/12 at 14:06:54 The manual says: Fuel tank, including reserve........... 10.5 L (2.8 US gal) reserve......................... 2.5 L (0.6 US gal) I had to look it up because for some reason I was thinking 2.7 and 0.7. Oh well... |
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