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Title: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/11/12 at 09:53:30 I'm a recent owner of a 2007 Suzuki S40. I"m 6'0 even, and I'm running into issues where after about 30 -45 minutes of riding, I get tension in between my shoulders and my lower back aches. Initially my neck muscles hurt, but that has been fixed by a better fitting helmet. I constantly "make" my arms relax through the ride, so I'm essentially locked into my bike and my arms are just there for steering. I'm on a shoestring budget (around $60-75, birthday money) and am trying to decide if I should get my seat reupholstered ( a local motorcycle shop that i trust recommended someone) or if I should consider going with some 26" superbike bars. Does anyone have any suggestions or advice? As an FYI, I'm also new to the motorcyle world in general. My S40 is my first bike, having entered the biker world officially in october of 2011 and getting the bike in November (early Christmas present). Anyone....bueller...anyone? :) |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by Serowbot on 04/11/12 at 10:09:07 If you're getting shoulder/back tension,.. do the bars first... What bars do you have now?... pull-backs?... At 6ft,... 26" bars are very narrow, and will likely increase tension,... I'd go for 30" to 32" wide. Imagine trying to do push-ups with your hands close together, compared to doing them with your hands directly under your shoulders... Less muscle stress... in the shoulders and middle back with arms aligned with shoulders... I got some drag bars on E-bay for $30 shipped brand new... Drag's do put you in more of a lean position,... Standard bars, are the most comfortable for most people... |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by SuperSavage on 04/11/12 at 10:37:34 I had the same issues. I went with a pair of 32" bars coupled with Routy's, 6" Forward Controls. The FC's really stretch you out and make the stock seat comfy. The bars are an added bonus and make low speed maneuvering a cinch. The Santee low XLX style drag bars ~$26. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/11/12 at 10:39:13 Serowbot, at the moment I have the stock buckhorns that come on the bike. I don't know if this helps you or not, but I've sat on my bike, closed my eyes, put my elbows at my side, then extended them to where it was comfortable. It appear that I need to come back around 1-2 inches and go down about the same. My nature posture is a "non-apehanger" posture, if that helps. I'll check out the drags. If you (or anyone) has an more recommendations, I'm all ears. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/11/12 at 10:40:51 Super, I'd love to do Routy's control, but I just can't swing the money at the moment, I think the latest I've seen for shipping to TN is $115 (west tn), which I don't have. However, I will definitely do some browsing based on your recommendations. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by Serowbot on 04/11/12 at 11:02:21 I'm not necessarily recommencing drag bars, (just saying what I have).. standard's/super bike/motard will be more comfortable. The "close your eyes and reach" method, can be useful for determining width, but... keep in mind that you want a bit more forward/downward lean at speeds over 40mph to compensate for the wind force pushing against you... otherwise you'll find yourself using your arms to hold on... (very tiring).. These are kinda' standard...(sorry 'bout the giant pic).. :-?... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Diameter-Chrome-Handlebars-Handle-bar-/190650941167?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c63ae7eef&vxp=mtr http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1-Diameter-Chrome-Handlebars-Handle-bar-/00/s/OTYwWDEyODA=/$(KGrHqRHJEQE88dEze0oBPWpolkbuw~~60_57.JPG |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/11/12 at 11:05:17 Serowbot, those are actually the one's I'm looking at. FYI, the bike did come with a windshield, which the prior owner put on. For the handlebars you showed me, will I have to buy any additional cables or control lines? Or will the stock control lines still work? |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by Serowbot on 04/11/12 at 11:12:44 Stock cables should be fine... ;)... You'll have to drill a hole in the bars to match a small alignment pins in the control housings on both sides... (they stop the assembly's from twisting around on the bars) Tip... use rubbing alcohol (between the bar and the grip)to remove and install grips... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by teabowl13 on 04/11/12 at 13:13:02 The bars I got for my build are from a modern Triumph Bonneville. They also use 1" bars, and I really like the way they look and feel. Might give you a few more options for shape and size.... Search Ebay for "Norman Hyde Bars" or just Triumph bars. This one is new, and a bit spendy; I found mine used for $30... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Handlebars-1-Norman-Hyde-M-type-Cafe-Bars-New-Bonneville-hinkley-cafe-racer-/360449629293?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item53ec78dc6d&vxp=mtr#ht_604wt_915 If you hurry, these might go pretty cheap.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-handlebars-1-pre-unit-bars-bonny-Bonneville-NO-RESERVE-/220992791774?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item33743264de&vxp=mtr#ht_500wt_1164 I also found these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-Nacelle-1-handlebars-all-Nacelle-years-97-0696-6T-T110-bars-/380428826456?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5893533758&vxp=mtr#ht_595wt_915 |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by teabowl13 on 04/11/12 at 13:18:17 Oh, and if you DO decide to upgrade your seat, This guy is really good. I sent my Nighthawk seat to him; I think it was $150 or so, and he rebuilt it with "Supracore". Basically the top of the line for what he does. I use that bike for long trips, and camping and such, and I can go 6-8 hours comfortably and get up and do it all again the next day. I doubt you'll get that kind of comfort from your Savage, ut you should be able to do a lot more than 45 minutes.... ;D SPENCER'S SEAT MOD: http://greatdaytoride.com/Home_Page.php |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/14/12 at 18:24:15 Supersavage, these are the one's that I'm looking at getting, based on your recommendation. http://www.jpcycles.com/product/502-210?utm_source=googleproducts&utm_medium=cse&utm_term=502-210&zmam=95452747&zmas=1&zmac=1&zmap=502-210 Based on what I can tell from picture and manuals, it looks like the right assembly is all one piece (somehow), so if you loosen the control part, the whole thing (grip included) comes off. Am I seeing that correctly? I've never done this before, and the clymer manual does really show this from what I can tell. A buddy of mine has switched out bars before, but not on s40's. For these handlebars, will I need to get any extensions, additional cabling, etc? Thanks for everyone for all the tips. Keep 'em coming 8-) |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by verslagen1 on 04/14/12 at 18:46:20 hard to say, I started with buckhorns (cables are a little longer) and went to 30" and about the same rise, no problem. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/20/12 at 13:07:23 Since I've never done this before...does anyone know where I can get some instructions? The clymer manual does shed any light on this.... |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/20/12 at 13:17:49 YOu arent being ignored,, Id toss you a bone, but I dont know anything about this kinda stuff.. Dont be afraid to post your question again, someone with experience will chime in soon, |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by Serowbot on 04/20/12 at 13:39:26 Alrighty,.. I'll probably forget a step, but here's a try... 1. Cover the tank with a plush towel... 2. Cover the tank with a plush towel... (can't be emphasized too much)... 3. get some rubbing alcohol under the grips, then twist and wiggle (the grips) take 'em off. You need to set the depth of the the throttle mounting anyway... 4. loosen the screws for the controls about 1/8" out, to release the alignment pins, and wiggle them off... 5. thank me for telling you to cover the tank now that you fumbled on dropped them on it... 6. carefully hook them somewhere out of the way... 7. pop the plastic chrome covers and pull the bolts out of the bar clamps (hold the bars while you do this0 8.remove bars. 9. put new bars in place. 10. nut'em to the risers but don't tighten (need to wiggle to get controls on)... 11. get controls in place. 12. sit on bike and hold bars where you want them... tighten bars down. and mark the bar where you need to drill for the alignment pins... then remove controls again. 12. drill 13. put 'em back on again, and tighten. 14. lube up the grips with more alcohol and slide them on. put end caps on. 15. adjust mirrors. 16. check everything for tight. 17. remove towel. 18. thank me again for making you cover the tank. 19 ride. ;)... |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/20/12 at 13:43:36 Okay. Got most of that. One question: how does the right grip for acceleration...connect to whatever "magic" makes the bike accelerate? |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/20/12 at 13:45:29 Okay...one question. For the grip...how to do you connect it to whatever makes the bike accelerate? Not to be stupid\ignorant...but at what point does "sliding the grip on" over the bar connect it to the engine\tranny? Thank you, btw. That was huge for me. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by Serowbot on 04/20/12 at 13:48:21 58515D5D59070102320 wrote:
Grip covers a hard plastic tube that rotates... the business end hooks to the cable inside the control housing... You twist, throttle opens, bike go vroom... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by arteacher on 04/20/12 at 17:34:31 3A2C3B263E2B263D490 wrote:
Towel didn't cut it for me. I suggest a fender guard from an automotive supply, or heavy corrugated cardboard, and if you don't want to drill for the pins, check the switch housings on the end of the bar, so the pin is just past the end, to see if it will stay tight without the pin. If it does, grind the pins off. I found it handy to rotate the assembly with the signal button down a bit to make it easier for my arthritic thumb to reach. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/26/12 at 13:56:10 All, for the handlebars I referred earlier, http://www.jpcycles.com/product/502-210?utm_source=googleproducts&utm_medium=cse&utm_term=502-210&zmam=95452747&zmas=1&zmac=1&zmap=502-210, will i need to buy any cable extenders or anything? My entire bike is stock. From the "base" of the triple tree to where the handlebars currently attach seems to be around 6 inches, maybe more. Will the stock risers be tall enough, or do i need to buy some sockets, as has been referred to in other posts? I'd hate to put these on and either run out of cable or hit my tank. Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by arteacher on 04/26/12 at 14:12:01 Stock risers will be too tall, and your cables will definitely be too short. you will need some 2" risers to give you about the same rise as stock. You can also take the stock risers apart and wind up with aprox. one inch risers. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/26/12 at 14:14:28 Art teacher, if I remove the stock, will I be okay to go with just the bars at that point? Or will i still need additional risers? |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by WD on 04/26/12 at 16:17:32 Cables are cheap. Motion Pro should have what you need, first generation VZ800 Marauder used the same perches, levers and controls as our Savages. If you go wild (like 10" or higher rise) you will need a VN750/800A clutch cable with a +4 or +6 length. Mount up the bars and see how they feel. You may need to shorten or even raise the risers a bit. Stock cables will work with up to an 8" total rise IF your bike shipped with buckhorns. Truth be told, Motion Pro cables are cut rate crap (soldered ends pop off), so if you can swing it, get ahold of Lancer, give him the total rise you will be running and he'll get you Barnett cables. And brake hose, don't forget the brake hose. Quickest comfort fix on a Savage? A set of VS800/S50 rear shocks. Raises the rear of the bike and sets your weight forward where it belongs. If you run the stock rear fender ( I do not) the gap will look kind of goofy. >:( |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/26/12 at 18:23:46 WD\All, I don't know if this helps or not, but I figured I'd take pictures of what I'm talking about, just in case it helps. I need some handle bars that bring my arms\hands about 2 to 3 inches closer, a few inches wider, and a couple of inches lower. Thoughts? Based on what I have now, would I still need the cables and such? Thanks to all. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by arteacher on 04/27/12 at 07:33:37 The set up you have now has about 5 1/2 " rise, with no rise on the bars. If you take the risers apart and just use the top, you get rid of 4.8" of rise. Add the 5" of rise that those bars you are looking at have and you are about the same. The stock bars have about 4 1/2" of pull-back. The new ones have 7". This means that the new bars will be about 2" closer, after you get rid of the 1 1/2" pull-back of the stock risers. Bottom line: with the new bars and the top of the old risers your hands will be close to the same height, about 2" closer to you, and 3" further apart. You shouldn't have any problem with the cables. You can turn the bars down a bit to get them 2" lower, as long as they don't hit the tank, and I don't think they will. EDIT-just re-read your first post. You already have the drag bars, not the buck horns. this may have confused some of the earlier posters. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by Serowbot on 04/27/12 at 08:29:40 You can't just take the riser out (you need the bottom half of the bar clamp)... You need a stock or aftermarket low rise clamp... or,.. you can cut yours above the bend and drill them for a bolt... Even using socket spacers, you'll need that bottom clamp piece... Try E-bay... any 1" will work... PS... Wider and higher makes some sense,.. but I wouldn't bring them closer to you... You'll find with some riding time, that a bit of forward lean is good... |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/27/12 at 09:16:10 Art, question: is what I have on my back now what the bike "comes with" (aka from the dealer\factory), or did a prior owner put them on? I bought this from a guy who originally who originally bought it from another guy and just curious as to if what I have on it is mostly stock or not. Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by EJID on 04/27/12 at 09:27:30 60696565613F393A0A0 wrote:
Those look like the stock drag bars with stock pull back risers (same setup that came on my 05 and all the newer bikes as well) |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/27/12 at 09:29:09 Question to all: in the picture I've uploaded, I put a circle around a part with a line on the riser. Does the riser come apart here? Arteacher mentioned new bars with the tops of the old risers...is that what he is talking about, or something else? I think i'm having a day where I just may need it spelled out for me :(. The height is actually okay, maybe a bit lower. The closeness and farther apart is what I'm looking for. It sounds like arteacher is on the right track. Since I believe that I won't be able to simply "take off, then put on" and need to change the riser as well, is it a matter of "pulling apart" the riser, or do I need to get something different? Trying to keep cost down as much as possible. If the riser won't simply "come apart" and anyone has a recommendation on a good riser height and that is compatible with the 07 s40, I'm all ears!!! :) Thanks all! |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/27/12 at 09:31:42 All, I have to apologize for the confusion on the handlebar types. Me being a newb, to me the handlebars looked like "buckhorns" or what I think of when I think of a steers horns (inverted in my head). If anyone knows a good website that explains the differences...I'm all eyes. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by Serowbot on 04/27/12 at 10:06:21 Ohh!... Ignore my post above... I think the bottom clamp does come off from the riser... So,.. you can just use that without the riser... (my bad)... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by Savage_Rob on 04/27/12 at 10:06:34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_handlebar |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by EJID on 04/27/12 at 10:16:59 Yes the riser comes apart at that line you have circled. I recently changed my stock bars that looked exactly like yours to mini-apes and reused that potion of the riser as shown in the pic below... You will have to get a new bolt to go through that portion of the riser and the triple trees, but otherwise they work great. 8-) http://p1.bikepics.com/2012/03/07/bikepics-2360970-full.jpg |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/27/12 at 11:00:44 EJID, where did you get the bolt from? Does it "simply" go through the bottom of the riser, or did you have to drill? Good to know that all of the above works:). Hopefully I can get the bars soon. I assuming that you didn't have to buy any extenders...is that correct? |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by verslagen1 on 04/27/12 at 11:58:55 Take it apart not much to it. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by EJID on 04/27/12 at 12:56:13 454C4040441A1C1F2F0 wrote:
Like Vers said, it comes apart very easily. (Remove bars and you will see the bolt that has to come out) I picked up a bolt that would work from either ACE or Lowes, I don't remember. My bars are much taller and wider than before, and I had to extend wiring, and swap cables & brake hose. From what it sounds like you want to do, I would be surprised if you have to go to that extent. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 04/27/12 at 13:36:01 EJID, I'm assuming that you had to swap out bolts for a shorter one...is that correct? |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by arteacher on 04/27/12 at 15:25:53 Longer. Take it apart and take the pieces to a hardware store and get new bolts. Don't forget to get lock nuts for them as well. You don't want the nuts vibrating loose and the handlebars coming off. The stock bolts actually have holes in them to safety wire them. Not needed with lock nuts and locktite. You will need 10 mm Allen head bolts 75mm long. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 05/10/12 at 10:31:26 EJID, I got them today via ups...and Ironically, I don't think they'll have enough rise or height for me. I'm looking at what you have...it looks like these....http://www.jpcycles.com/product/500-939...is that close or something else? Right now, I have these ...http://www.jpcycles.com/product/502-210 Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by EJID on 05/10/12 at 12:51:30 727B7777732D2B28180 wrote:
John, I think you are right... these ones http://www.jpcycles.com/product/500-939 are much closer to the ones that I have. Someone else on the board listed those XLX bars as another great option that worked for him. Mine were used HD takeoffs that I got from eBay. Seller stated they were the stock bars off a Dyna Wide Glide (FXDWG). I haven't ever measured the height of the bars, but I do know that the total width is right about 33" if I had to guess, I would say they are either 10" or 12" rise (I can measure later today if you really want to know) Another option might be to use those XLX bars on top of the current pull-back risers :-? Might just work for you, or even turn around the risers so they go more up and forward with those bars...lots of options available ;D keep us in the loop as to what you decide to do. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by SuperSavage on 05/10/12 at 12:53:59 2E272B2B2F717774440 wrote:
Those are the same bars that I have. I used 2 inch risers which allowed me to keep the stock cables. If you want more height, just reverse the stock risers. BTW, I love the control and comfort theses bars afford me. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 05/10/12 at 13:27:19 Super, not to ask a redundant questions...but by reversing them...you mean to literally take them apart and flip? Will I have to get any new cables if i take off the current bars, leave the current risers as they are, and put new one's on? The new bars have a 5" rise from what i can tell. thanks! |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by EJID on 05/10/12 at 15:10:55 0B020E0E0A545251610 wrote:
All you have to do is take the top clamps off & pull out the bar. Take the 2 bottom nuts off the current risers. Pull the risers out of the triple tree and flip them around then reassemble. The stock drag bar should work that way no problem, and those XLX bars might too, if you switch to other bars though you will probably have to change cables/hose/wiring. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 05/12/12 at 11:26:40 Okay, did the swap today. Had to rerun some of the cables to make them fit. I'll have to get a new front brake line, as this one is a foot short. There's a shot in memphis that will make me a new one with braided steel for less then $70...I assume that a good deal (ft long). Even though I can ride it (no front brake line), I sat on it and can already tell a HUGE difference in comfort. I can already tell that whenever I obtain some more money, getting some fc's will be massive to this bike. Attached is a pic of the new bars. I've got the brake on it, but obviously not in the right location. Getting the grips and such wasn't the hard part...it was getting the lines right and making sure they'd reach when fully left and right. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 05/16/12 at 14:51:59 Thanks again to all. Got the new brake line installed last night, bled the line, took it for a test drive. What a difference...it even changed the seat comfort, which I didn't expect. Now to get some fc's and more toys! Rock on! |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by SuperSavage on 05/16/12 at 21:48:59 Nice Bars! Mine made a huge difference as well. I went with Routy's 6" FC's and it turned a cramped ride into a very comfy cruiser. Try the low speed handling, it makes a big difference around the parking lots. |
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Title: Re: Reupholster or different handle bars Post by John on 05/17/12 at 05:31:08 Yeah....I'll be getting those as soon as I have around $150 to spend. |
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