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Message started by Starlifter on 03/26/12 at 23:12:55

Title: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Starlifter on 03/26/12 at 23:12:55

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The half-shell provides comfort for the wearer who believes that helmet laws are unjust - they are 'minimalist' in terms of protection and can be viewed as a 'protest statement' without inviting a ticket. The full-face helmet, on the other hand, provides maximum protection but are heavier and less comfortable than half-shells.

The half-shell helmet provides adequate protection for the top of the head, only, and is ideal if you should land on the top of your head when you hit the ground - something that is rather rare in the real world. A full-face helmet provides protection for the entire head and part of your neck

A half-shell helmet, when provided to your passenger - say your wife, for example - says that their pretty face should be shared by the world, until an accident occurs. Thereafter, because more than a third of the time when he/she hits the ground with their head, it will be a face plant. The crushed eye socket, broken or torn off nose, crushed cheek bones, lacerated eyebrows and eye lids, split (wide) upper lip, fractured upper mandible, broken teeth, lost tip of tongue from having bitten it off, teeth protruding through lower lip, all lower teeth broken off below the gum line, broken jaw, and lacerations about the upper neck will take many, many painful surgeries to repair (badly and with scars that will last a lifetime) and many months of recovery time before being able to present that now permanently broken face to the world. And, did I mention that migraine headaches will potentially happen EVERY DAY for years, if not life? And that says nothing about the brain damage that prevents him or her from being able to remember the names of the children or how many children there are? Full-face helmets, on the other hand, cost a little more than half-shell helmets.

ATGATT (All the gear all the time)

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Stimpy - FSO on 03/27/12 at 08:23:13

Helm laws for adults are retarded, only eye protection
should be mandatory, so one can see perfectly at all times
(watery eyes cause of speed/dust). Other than that let the
Darwin awards contenders roll!

I always have owned/wear a full face, you know,
cause of the whole jaw/nose-reconstruction surgery thingy,
just in case, you know. Oh and cause of big bugs @ 65mph ...splat.

Speaking of the best of both worlds...
I Just bought me a Nolan Air convertible ("6 in 1") on sale for $100!! (euros)
(amazing visibility & overall a great summer helm, only 3lbs light!
yeah, it's but a bit loud at high speeds cause of the vents but whatever).

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg716/scaled.php?server=716&filename=906buyuk1zoom.jpg&res=medium

Also have a closed HJC for winter that is much more quiet and warm.

Best I've ever had was a BELL full face, sold it along with my savage, sniff.

and here it is, once again, the world famous
god-knows-where-the-data-really-came-from
internet-helm-accident-%-chart, yay!
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg839/scaled.php?server=839&filename=impacts.gif&res=medium

...oh btw, ppl, wear a kidneybelt, cheap and keeps your insides inside.

;)

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by LostArtist on 03/27/12 at 11:41:33

I wish I could buy the Air helmet over here, the N43 over here isn't the same, it's close though, that might be my next helmet still though.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Savage_Rob on 03/27/12 at 13:35:22

Yup, jaws get ground away pretty easily. I'll stick with a full-face that includes chin protection, whenever available.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Serowbot on 03/27/12 at 13:47:20

Yup,.. my face is my second least favorite place to get hit with a solid object... :-?...

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by mpescatori on 03/27/12 at 15:40:41

3215080C1118610 wrote:

Helm laws for adults are retarded, only eye protection
should be mandatory...

Stimpy, I respect your point of view...

So does your lawyer, your plastic surgeon and your forensic consultant...

Perhaps you haven't fallen flat on your face as often as me, of banged your head on the corner of the sidewalk as hard as I did...

Of course, "it was the other guy's fault..."

Go tell that to St.Peter when you walk up the the Pearly Gates of Heaven...

What's your widow's favorite flowers?

Not aimed at you, it's the lines I addressed at a guy in T-shirt, shorts & flip flops on a 400cc scooter with the blond trophy riding pillion, when I got to stop them after they cut me in...

If you wear seat belts in a car, wear a FF helmet on a bike.
Not to mention a raincoat when it gets hot&sticky... ;)

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by verslagen1 on 03/27/12 at 16:18:55

716C796F7F7D68736E751C0 wrote:

a guy in T-shirt, shorts & flip flops on a 400cc scooter with the blond trophy riding pillion...

Not to mention a raincoat when it gets hot&sticky... ;)

You should always wear a raincoat with a blond trophy 8-)
especially when hot and sticky.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by rl153 on 03/27/12 at 17:45:08

You guys inspired me to buy a full faced helmet for my wife. (about 10 minutes ago)

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by wedge98 on 03/27/12 at 17:50:54

I've only worn full-face and only will everytime I ride. I do not even ride 5ft without my helmet. I've been riding for 15 years now and I have crashed well over 6 times.

If I did not have a helmet I would be dead or severly deformed for sure.

First crash with head impact - slid 30ft on the left side of my Arai where my ear is.
Second crash with head impact - 50mph highside where I slid about 100ft down the road with all parts of my HJC helmet getting eaten up

Other non-head crashes
10mph crash into rear of car who suddenly stopped to do a U-turn
90mph lowside from losing the front end on a track
15mph lowside at night in sand
25mph highside from leaves
40mph lowside from oil on the track
and more I forgot about....

If you are cheap, just go to motorcyclesuperstore.com and get the cheapest SNELL certified full-face helmet. I bought some on sale last month for $55 each.

If you do not wear a full-face helmet I have no sympathy for any injuries which a proper helmet would have prevented.

I used to ride in FL, CT, and NH. Which all do not have helmet laws.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by kimchris1 on 03/27/12 at 18:41:15

I have and will continue to wear full face.
When I had my accident 2 years ago, I
escaped any injury to my face and jaw.
I slammed the pavement so hard, it
knocked the shield completly off the
helmet.
Had I been wearing a 1/2 or beanie, I
would probably have broken my jaw.
It made a believer out of me to wear
full face.. :) kim

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by mpescatori on 03/27/12 at 23:13:15

5F56455A5D5602010A0A330 wrote:

You guys inspired me to buy a full faced helmet for my wife. (about 10 minutes ago)

When I first met "that girl" (who would have become my wife 4 years later, the very first time I went to university to pick her up and ride her home in my Guzzi, there were no helmet laws.

I took off my helmet and insisted she wear it.

"I don't need it"
"A School of Medicine student, saying she don't need a helmet?"
"IT'LL RUIN MY HAIR"
"The tarmac will ruin your face much worse if we fall and you scrape oj the asphalt"

She saw the point and donned the helment.

The following week she chirped "Daddy says he will not buy me a helmet, my mother's not happy I ride a motorcycle".

We RODE A BUS and went to buy her a helmet. Full Face, with a detachable chin piece.

She's been wearing a helmet ever since, and would never sit on a bike without one.

8-)

PS Mother approved "If you buy a helmet for my daughter, then you care for her. She can ride with you"
I took that as a very high compliment. ;)

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by arteacher on 03/28/12 at 04:10:04

I have both kinds. I don't wear the FF very often- it's a PITA if you have glasses.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by cowboy on 03/28/12 at 04:28:27

I grew up in the era of helmet laws. so rode my hole life with one. now i can't ride with out one. nor do i want to. I ride my atv with one. I just bought a new full face yesterday. The way I see it is there is nothing out there softer than my head. 8-)

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by mpescatori on 03/28/12 at 04:35:21

2A212128242B2A3031450 wrote:

I have both kinds. I don't wear the FF very often- it's a PITA if you have glasses.

Ditto, quote and double quote.

That's why many years ago I SAW THE LIGHT! and now I only use flip-up FF helmets :)

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Arnold on 03/28/12 at 08:45:18

I only use FF when it's cold.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by bill67 on 03/28/12 at 09:23:35

3F2A3132323B2A3B2C5E0 wrote:

I only use FF when it's cold.

+1 me too

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by drharveys on 03/28/12 at 11:59:58

I always wear a full face or a flip up -- jaw protection is pretty important for us dentists.

I only needed to wear it once,

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/DSC02300.jpg

but the events necessitating the helmet transpired at far to rapid a pace for me to put on while they were happening, and I had no idea they were going to happen.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/DSC02297.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/DSC02294.jpg

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Stimpy - FSO on 03/28/12 at 12:08:47

pescatori

About adult helmet laws...

well the thing is like this, I always use one,
even for short runs to the market on hot days,
I not only use common sense but I've spent a lot
of time in hospitals and I've seen things, bad things,
unspeakable things, unrepairable things because of the
lack of seatbelts and MC gear, however, i also happen
to strongly disagree with daddy government sticking their
coked-up noses EVERYWHERE, statism is an idea looong
passed its usefulness and these kind of choices should be OURS!
get it?

Laws in general are for people who refuse to take responsibility
for their lives and actions and instead simply (and lazily) let others
take all kinds of decisions for them, and this, of course, can never
ever end well.

Simply put, 501 people cannot take away the rights of 499 and
much less one lawmaker the rights away from a whole country.

Natural law is all the law a healthy world needs.

8-)

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Starlifter on 03/28/12 at 12:19:29

I went from a FF to a FF flip-up. Yes wearing glasses is hassle with a FF, but not so bad with a flip-up. It beats having your face ground down to your skull bones without one.

I believe in ATGATT (all the gear all the time). If it's too hot for the gear, it's too hot to ride.

BTW Laws or not, stupid people will continue to ride and die. No helmet, drinking and riding, doing wheelies and stoppies, speeding etc. It's nature's way of culling the stupid from the heard.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Stimpy - FSO on 03/28/12 at 12:36:12

yup Dr.H, I hear ya!

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/6008/010720112108fix.jpg

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7822/040720112116fix.jpg

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8058/060720112125fix.jpg

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/666/070720112132fix.jpg

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6356/290620112085fix.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1551/290620112086fix.jpg
FF helm got scratched on the side and chin area!

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5530/290620112090fix.jpg

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9554/290620112091fix.jpg

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5178/290620112092fix.jpg

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http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4680/040720112117fix.jpg

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by LostArtist on 03/28/12 at 12:39:40

I'm looking for a good flip up or modular helmet now, looking at the bell revolver evo: http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/bell-revolver-evo-hi-vis-helmet or the Nolan n43: http://www.revzilla.com/product/nolan-n43-trilogy-helmet

I just want to put my helmet on without taking my glasses off

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by drharveys on 03/28/12 at 12:42:55

Yup -- that's some seriously bunged up gear and bones. I have no problem letting you one-up me in that department!

As for me, bike was totaled, helmet trashed and left shoulder blade chipped. No serious or permanent harm to me (as opposed to the bike), and the ER doc was impressed with my armored leather jacket. He rides a Victory, and he commented that, after seeing my shoulder, he was in the market for a "biker" jacket in the traditional black leather with armor!

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Starlifter on 03/28/12 at 12:50:55

Lost, with the flip-up I put my glasses on through the flip-up with the helmet on. It takes some pushing and wiggling to get them seated right, but it seems to work better that way.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by SALB on 03/28/12 at 13:25:42

The Bell Revolver is currentlly on sale for $99.95 at motorcycle superstore, for those interested.

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1013/MNGR/Bell-Street-and-Dirt-Bike-Helmet-Closeouts---Motorcycle-Superstore.aspx?WT.ac=Home_Main_-_MainIR_4_02.29.12_BellCO

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by LostArtist on 03/28/12 at 13:28:28

3D3E3D293F37395C0 wrote:

my head don't fit them sizes available
:(

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by SALB on 03/28/12 at 13:30:24

0625393E0B383E23393E4A0 wrote:

[quote author=3D3E3D293F37395C0 link=1332828775/15#23 date=1332966342]The Bell Revolver is currentlly on sale for $99.95 at motorcycle superstore, for those interested.

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1013/MNGR/Bell-Street-and-Dirt-Bike-Helmet-Closeouts---Motorcycle-Superstore.aspx?WT.ac=Home_Main_-_MainIR_4_02.29.12_BellCO

my head don't fit them sizes available
:( [/quote]

Ya, they're selling out fast! :(

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by mpescatori on 03/28/12 at 23:19:35

31160B0F121B620 wrote:

STIMPY I understand well what you say.

I have two comments:

1) Your personal, individual rights stop where the rights of the collectivity start (or someone else's, i.e. thou shalt not play the trumpet at 3:00 a.m.)

2) You are welcome to ride naked on a gravel pathway for all I'm concerned, or bareheaded at 100mph, but don't expect a doctor to waste his time mending your wounds or a therapist with your physio just because you wanted the wind in your hair.

If you still live in Germany, you will have noticed that lane splitting is not illegal, i.e. they will not fine you. However, that does not mean that if you get squeezed between two cars it will not be your fault...

So... I acknowledge you the right to split lanes and all that, just don't get stuck (or worse) under MY car! (I don't want the hassle of paying a lawyer to prove I was right in the first place...)

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Fish on 04/08/12 at 08:26:21

I started off with a FF and will continue to ride that way.
My GF wore a half helmet a few times when I first got my Savage because she didn't like the feeling of being enclosed by the FF.

I just bought her a 3/4 helmet for a bit more protection. When it's time to replace that one maybe I can work her up to the FF.

This is the helmet I bought her. I tried it out myself and really liked it. Visibility is awesome. But the lack of chin and jaw protection keeps me in my FF

http://www.fulmerhelmets.com/images/product/AF_755_BLACK_005.png

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/09/12 at 08:48:17

Fish,, she seriously needs to consider comparing the temporary feeling of being "enclosed" with the potential for permanent disfigurement.
That "enclosed" feeling is security, that "free" feeling is a serious risk,

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/09/12 at 08:56:21

Pesci,, While I understand your argument, because I, too, have had it preached to me all my life, I have to disagree here.

1) Your personal, individual rights stop where the rights of the collectivity start (or someone else's, i.e. thou shalt not play the trumpet at 3:00 a.m.)

A rider who chooses to ride unprotected isnt keeping you awake, he has committed no affront to anyone. Your complaint is that his actions put your pocketbook at risk. As I see it, that is a problem,, & the problem is that your decisions should not be tied to my pocketbook,,I should not be expected to pay for your bad decisions, nor you for mine, the problem is that there IS a collective, & once people are left solely responsible for their own lives & future, we will se a much more responsible & wisely behaved population.
By your own argument, that risky behavior isnt to be allowed, a case could be made to ban motorcycles completely, & there are plenty of cagers who would happily vote them off the road.
Parachuting? Where is there any socially noticeable reward to be derived? At least a bike can take a man to work, which benefits "the collective",, Jumping out of an airplane only creates a risk for the collective,, it should be halted, immediately! I demand it!

The Libertarian principle is one of freedom, AND REsponsibility,, & would benefit the world immensely.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 04/09/12 at 12:19:11

Mine is a 3/4 with full face shield to protect eyes and face from gravel, bugs, etc.

During my 40 year hiatus from riding, I spent 5,000 hours behind a 3/4 helmet in airplanes.

I tried a FF, but I don't like the restricted vision that results. It's all about personal preference, but I'd rather have my full vision - up, down, and to both sides to be able to avoid an accident. I agree that if the worse happens, FF provides the most protection.

But I perfer to be able to see all around me, in hopes of seeing the hazard coming and avoiding the wreck in the first place.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by arteacher on 04/09/12 at 12:44:47

I dropped $550 on a Shoei (sp) FF, wore it home from the shop, and haven't worn it since.
It was a hot day and my glasses were fogging up, even with the shield opened up a bit. :-?

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by LostArtist on 04/09/12 at 13:35:40

yeah, as much as high end helmets cost, (shoei's and arai's) it's extremely frustrating when they don't work right, I can't take that kinda risk with that much money. Nolan is about the highest I can go if I find one on sale, but they don't usually fit my head right, they are more round than my head. I just ordered a Bell Revolver EVO in yellow from a local yamaha place, i tried a bunch on and the large was just a bit lose, and the medium I tried on with EVO was really pretty good. the interior sun shade comes down completely over your face almost so that's awesome and it's a modular which I want so hopefully this is my last helmet for awhile.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Starlifter on 04/09/12 at 14:34:23

Art, I'm only 65 miles west of you and I have never had my glasses fog up even on the hottest days. Aren't there air vents on your helmet that can be opened? Was that day 90 degrees with 90% humidity? :-/

Is it a flip up? or non flip up? Mine is a flip up and you can pop it open any time and get a face full of air.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by bill67 on 04/09/12 at 14:34:48

5B54585259545F535443565443310 wrote:

I agree with Jerry for once,I believe seeing is of the most importance.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 04/09/12 at 14:50:36

Bill -

Mark this day on your calendar in celebration of our agreement on something !!

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Starlifter on 04/09/12 at 15:10:24

"I tried a FF, but I don't like the restricted vision that results."

??? what, are your eyes on the side of your head like a whale? :o

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by LostArtist on 04/09/12 at 15:15:20

the new Nolan N104 is praised for it's big eyeport, the N43 is great for it's eyeport, so there are full face kind of helmets out there with big eyeports

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 04/09/12 at 15:19:19

Hey, we old fighter jocks like to keep our heads on a swivel and look out all directions.

We were trained to some degree in how the human eye works. Believe it or not, you perceive the motion of a "target" with your peripheral vision more than looking straight ahead. Tunnel vision gets you killed when you don't see the bogey who is approaching from your rear quarter or quartering into you from ahead.

I'm almost afraid to say it for fear of jinxing myself, but pilots only have 10% the chance of being involved in a serious auto accident as does the general population because we are so cognizant of our spatial awareness all around us - left, right, up and down. At least that holds true for those of us who are still alive.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/09/12 at 19:20:58

I guess in a few years we will see some huge advances in RC Car drivers abilities,, after some of these pushbutton generation kids get out of the military after flying drones around & killing innocent people,,

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by SuperSavage on 04/09/12 at 19:27:03

I aprroach the topic as such: do I prefer my Full - Face or Half of it...

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by verslagen1 on 04/09/12 at 19:54:02

29262A202B262D212631242631430 wrote:

Hey, we old fighter jocks like to keep our heads on a swivel and look out all directions.

755247544A4F40524354260 wrote:

"I tried a FF, but I don't like the restricted vision that results."

??? what, are your eyes on the side of your head like a whale? :o

Hey, I know what the problem is... she's got a turbo swivel head... and a too loose helmet.

hmmm... fast and loose... my kind o girl. 8-)

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Gyrobob on 04/10/12 at 08:06:58

6A65696368656E626572676572000 wrote:

Agree with all that, Jerry. Head on a swivel is a very important function, whether you are flying F-4s (did), gyrocopters (do now), or motorcycles (do now).

Let me plug the wheat-free thing here in connection with the head on a swivel.
-- Once I got into my 50s, the swiveling became more and more a problem,... just a general stiffness, a reduced mobility, and actual pain if I tried to swivel too far.
-- Turning 64 last year, I was reduced to turning my whole upper body to check for traffic, or to back up a car, etc.
-- In Oct, I stopped eating all grains, including wheat. Within a few weeks I had neck-twisting capability that equalled what I had had two decades ago. A wonderful thing. Much safer now,.. and no pain anymore. All my joints now feel all loose and rubbery like they did a long time ago.

Pertaining to helmets, my first several helmets were soup-bowl style or "full" style, meaning no face protection. I started wearing helmets in 1960, though. Full face helmets were not available. A few years after they first came out, I bought my first full face helmet, a Bell something or other. I've worn only full-face helmets ever since.

Curiously, the two times I have had my life saved by a helmet, a full face helmet might not have made that much diff.
-- At age 14, I high-sided a Lambretta motor scooter in the hills and ended up tumbling down the hill, hitting my head on a tree trunk. It caved in the top of the helmet.
-- At age 22, I went off an off ramp at 60+ mph on a Honda CB350, and as I was torpedoing along the top of the ice plant that lined the freeways in Calif in 1969, my helmeted head went through a 2" diam iron sprinkler pipe, again caving in the top of the helmet.

The fact that I hit the top of the helmets on those obstacles was dumb luck. It could quite easily have been my face, so I am quite sold on full face helmets.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Arizuno on 04/10/12 at 15:31:28

This subject was also treated over at Rubber Side Down ("helmet question") recently, but I wanna repeat something I said there to arteacher here. Specifically, try removing the breath guard. I did that with my FF and the glasses-fogging issue all but disappeared.

In my case, at least, the breath guard seemed to direct exhaled breath directly onto my glasses. Go figure. It may do something desirable, but I don't know what. Removing it also enables one to rub nose or moustache should a tickle arise (that's normally within seconds of strapping on the helmet). In any case, art, that Shoei belongs on your head, not a shelf...

Putting one's glasses on after donning the FF is a little fiddly, but it gets easier with practice and it's well worh the enormous added protection a FF helmet provides.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Starlifter on 04/10/12 at 16:44:13

+1 Amen to that.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by arteacher on 04/10/12 at 17:01:43

This may sound really, really dumb, but it is a beautiful thing- black with a golden dragon on each side, and I kinda am afraid to wear it in case it gets damaged. :-[ It's like a work of art to me. If it was plain white or black I might be more inclined to wear it.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/10/12 at 18:19:08

I can certainly understand how you feel. Ive had things that were just too cool to mess up,, until one day, I realized if I couldnt use it, it was like not having it,, so, I stopped allowing things to have that hold over me,, things get old, they get worn, they get messy,, & they are still appreciated,, dont mourn the little marks, let it protect you,, try to keep it off the ground, especially with your head in it,,

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Starlifter on 04/10/12 at 19:26:46

Jog is right. I brought a beautiful set of Noritake china home from Japan 30 years ago for my mom. She said it was too beautiful and precious to use, so she packed it away.

She passed away years later and NEVER used or enjoyed that china.

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by Arizuno on 04/10/12 at 23:03:13

You win, art. Get a glass case for that sucker and "save it for good".

Then go gitcherself a FF like my DOT-ECE rated AFX FX-95 ($90.00 U.S., RevZilla), remove the breath guard and WEAR IT. Or just do like Jog says and enjoy wutcha got...

Off topic, but how weird is it to find a desert-based team in the Cup finals?

Title: Re: Half shell helmet vs full face
Post by thumperclone on 04/10/12 at 23:32:27

bandanna
leather fur lined pilots cap
baseball cap
fly danna
red elfs cap with white ball on top for the toy run
five no snag hair thingies(pony tail to my belt)

pair o chaps and flip flops with nuttin else ;) when im trollin :o

bennie style half helmet when i go to those states that need to save me from myself
got my gremlin bell and [smiley=engel017.gif] [smiley=engel017.gif]
and the love of a good woman what else do i need??