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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Idle speed and tach /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1332126234 Message started by rl153 on 03/18/12 at 20:03:53 |
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Title: Idle speed and tach Post by rl153 on 03/18/12 at 20:03:53 My bike is running good (2005, 4500 mi) ,I beleive the oil level is right ,I keep it just visible on the side stand cold. When you hold it level the glass is full,cold. I see some guys say you have to have the idle at 1000 to 2000 rpms or the head doesn't get enough oil . I'm not sure what mine is idling at it seems like it hums pretty good ,but if i turn it up any more, it backfires on decelleration and shutdown,whereas now everything is smooth.. Where can I get a decent inexpensive tach to test this thats really easy to connect . Or should I just leave well enough alone. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by teabowl13 on 03/18/12 at 20:34:56 If it "hums pretty good" as you say at idle, I'd guess you are probably fine. It'll also depend on whether you sit at idle for long periods of time; if you do a lot of stop-n-go traffic, it would be more of an issue that if you are riding at pretty good speed most of the time... |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by EJID on 03/18/12 at 21:38:32 I bought & installed a tach on my 05 and was pleasantly surprised to find that the idle I already had the bike set at was right at about 1,000`-1,200 RPM. Out of curiosity, I turned it down to the thump, thump, thump, which sounded pretty cool, but I would NEVER keep it that low knowing the oil/head lubrication issues that it can cause. In my opinion, if you think it is humming along pretty good, I think you've probably set it to a safe idle level already. I wouldn't bother with installing a tach, unless you like your gadgets... ::) |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/18/12 at 22:36:19 YOu could look at RPM/vs MPH in any given gear & get a clue as to the idle rpm. Just get rolling on a smooth, level area & let it idle, Youll be as far off as the spedo |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by rl153 on 03/19/12 at 04:26:26 Jog ,how fast would you have to roll at idle in first to know you have a correct idle? Also is there an inexpensive diagnostic tach you could clip on easily sold somewhere? I don't need a permanent tach.Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by BrettKeiselsbeard on 03/19/12 at 05:03:49 I installed this in less than an hour. I have had it for about a year with no issues. Peace of mind is priceless. http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200319029_200319029 8-) |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by rl153 on 03/19/12 at 09:57:51 How does the hour meter actually connect to the motor electronically? I don't want to mount it permanently.Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by greenmonster on 03/19/12 at 10:06:16 I've used these on other equipment. The wire in the package wraps around your plug wire a few times and reads when there is power running through it. The ones that I've used, have a battery in them to maintain the data collected. They're pretty accurate, but they have a longer response time than I'd feel comfortable with for basing any kind of shifting decision on. For setting idle or testing things, it would be great, also good to let you know what RPM you're cruising at. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by Serowbot on 03/19/12 at 10:13:49 Isn't there an "app" for that?... :-?... http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/engine-rpm/id340401811?mt=8%20%28http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/engine-rpm/id340401811?mt=8%29 http://a3.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/038/Purple/14/c6/3f/mzl.haoyrukz.320x480-75.jpg |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by rl153 on 03/19/12 at 10:36:13 I was looking for the plug wire and it seems impossible to get at without taking the tank off . Is that true ? It's hard to hook something like this up temporarily. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by verslagen1 on 03/19/12 at 11:43:52 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1124016763 Or you can take the chrome covers off and pitch them. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by Oldfeller on 03/19/12 at 11:50:24 Nope, the plug wire is available from the outside without taking anything off (tank included) and you only have to go around it 2-3 times with the little red sensor wire from the tach. You see, you can go around the spark plug wire anywhere on its length -- you can go around it where you can get to it then push the red sensor (wrapped around the spark plug cable) up out of sight so it doesn't look all ugly. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by rl153 on 03/19/12 at 13:43:08 Thanks for the info! If I want to use this device without mounting the tach ,can I cut the sensor wire and put a jack on the end of it ,and just plug it in when I want to use it? |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by greenmonster on 03/19/12 at 13:57:20 Depending on how long you cut the wire you might not even need to put a jack on. Most of them have the wire squeezed into a groove on the back of the unit. It doesn't actually plug in. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/20/12 at 12:38:33 7D7467787F7420232828110 wrote:
Hafta work that out,,IDK,,maybe someone with a tach could see what their rpm is rolling in 1st. http://motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=dwell+meter |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by verslagen1 on 03/20/12 at 13:16:53 554A4C4B5651605060584A460D3F0 wrote:
Haft work that out,,IDK,,maybe someone with a tach could see what their rpm is rolling in 1st. http://motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=dwell+meter [/quote] No way to roll at idle... it'll buck |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/20/12 at 13:33:20 NOt if youre on a good smooth spot, & absolutely No uphill to it,.I know its not perfect, but its a shot at getting close. its okay if its just ever so slightly downhill..just to keep it from bucking, which it will do under a load, wind, rolling resistance, any uphill at all.,itll buck,, I could find a place to try it around here, heck, rolling onto a slight downhill, whats it gonna raise the rpm? Dont try to take off doin it, slow down into it,. I could figure out if I was idling at 500 or 1500,, if ya want a tach, get a tach, but I could get close enough this way to not kill my engine, maybe Im alone in that ability,but I did it, |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by bill67 on 03/20/12 at 13:41:39 Most lawnmowers and cars idle a round 1000-1200 rpm just listen and guess at it. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by SuperSavage on 03/20/12 at 19:11:33 I concur, Vers. The Savage will buck and stagger at idle. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/20/12 at 20:50:55 You guys concur all ya want,, I know better, IF you have enough sense to do it in the right place, |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by surtees on 03/20/12 at 22:12:36 Having a laptop I did it this way just to confirm my ear gauge was calibrated correctly... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1303712067/0#0 |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by rl153 on 03/21/12 at 06:14:06 An audio recording of the correct Idle might help. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by BrettKeiselsbeard on 03/21/12 at 06:25:00 As for the sensor I use and shown previously, it was easier just to remove the tank. Not very hard to do. You said you wanted to mount it permanently. Well, you can do both. I mounded mine with velcro at the pivot point. Its permanently removable so I can swap it out with my other bike as needed. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by Bubba on 03/21/12 at 09:08:36 would this work? http://www.squidoo.com/multimetertach |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by PhilM on 03/21/12 at 11:12:21 If you can upload a sound file (or a video with sound to youtube etc) I have some software that will enable me to tell you your r.p.m. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by rl153 on 03/21/12 at 16:50:06 Im going to try to upload a recording in the next few days.Thanks!I'm going to use an old tape recorder,play it for windows movie maker ,then set up a you tube account,and then post the link . Alot of work kind of for this ,but might be fun . i'm curious. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by rl153 on 03/22/12 at 12:47:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmeE-ZQDKMo&feature=youtu.be Heres a link to a youtube recording of my savages idle speed. Philm, you said you could determine the rpms if I posted this. Please do. Thanks!! |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by Serowbot on 03/22/12 at 13:03:56 Sounds pretty good to me... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by rl153 on 03/22/12 at 17:50:00 Thanks Serowbot! |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by PhilM on 03/23/12 at 01:35:34 4F46554A4D4612111A1A230 wrote:
It appears to be 1512rpm, so a little bit fast. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by PhilM on 03/23/12 at 01:51:50 This might help... This is from the "muffler sounds" in the tech section (Savage with a Sportster exhaust) The first 8 secs are an idle at exactly 900rpm http://suzukisavage.com/images/uploaded/Savage_Sporty.mp3 |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by rl153 on 03/23/12 at 06:31:28 Thanks Philm !! .I'm just glad it isn't too slow! I appreciate your help. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by spacepirates on 03/23/12 at 06:41:58 This topic has prompted me to get one of those cheap digital hour meter/tachometer combos. I picked up this for $20. Doesn't look to be all that classy in appearance or all that amazing in functionality, but it should do just fine for getting the occasional idle speed reading: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0049IFX56/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details hopefully I'll get a few spare minutes this weekend to try it out. I've been adjusting my carb (granted, it is a newly installed VM38) just about every chance I can get recently. it reacts a surprisingly large amount to 1/16 turns of the air screw. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by rl153 on 03/23/12 at 07:25:44 Spacepirates,I bought the same one, last week online . It didn't arrive yet . Let me know if you have to take the tank off to connect it. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by Savage_Rob on 03/23/12 at 23:17:18 I've already had two that are similar to that one, though not the same and both died after about a year of use. I'm not going that route again. Also had one of the $40 chicom Baron knockoffs, which barely lasted a year. Nah, no tach at the moment and I don't want to spend the cash necessary for a Baron but my next will probably be at least a Koso. Maybe similar to this one... http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/public/GDKI5rwY5G3KgkaL_L4dq4mLUWjGVLoEdabnTmLhCHjfEdtRyxqSuYv_rDO-VgrZ98Ajo2ZiJOcD1jeaVMHANQ75nCTRsjmlXCyI2OuSLpx6LuiJbJoGtYWeGoPw52o7EqK-oBhHMIHUFfEZjDtRHXrjgkkmJYLCoqQ5PCaETk8vt9w |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by EJID on 03/24/12 at 08:17:18 Just took this video yesterday with my cell phone...sounds like crap compared to being in person. I didn't realize I had my idle set to about 1,500 and I thought it sounds much slower in person...but here's another comparison for you... http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/ericandmaggie/Bike%20Videos/th_92b3f911-f4ce-4c37-8d05-a5a3c0669e8b.jpg (http://s1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/ericandmaggie/Bike%20Videos/?action=view¤t=92b3f911-f4ce-4c37-8d05-a5a3c0669e8b.mp4) |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by rl153 on 03/25/12 at 06:22:59 Ejid, thanks for the video. I think mine sounds a little slower than yours. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by spacepirates on 03/25/12 at 14:03:17 0F06150A0D0652515A5A630 wrote:
The directions say to wrap it around the spark plug with one wire and then ground the other (connect to frame) so I guess it would be easier to take the tank off but i don't think you'd have to if you really wanted to avoid it. I just got splint put on my right hand (and I'm right handed) so I won't be getting much work done for a while. bleh. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by Digger on 07/14/12 at 20:10:18 I use a tach for diagnostic purposes only. Here is the one I use: - ENM tach Model PT15B2 (includes hour meter) http://www.enmco.com Picture: http://www.amickssuperstore.com/v/vspfiles/photos/ENM%20PT15B2%20Tachometer-1.jpg I've got the wire wrapped around the spark plug wire, with the free end tucked away. When I need to set the idle speed, I just hook the tach up to the wire and set the idle speed. When I'm done, I disconnect the wire, tuck it back away, and put the tach back in my drawer. IHTH! |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by rl153 on 07/15/12 at 17:55:50 I bought the same one space pirates has. There was one wire and i wrapped it around the spark plug without taking off the tank. I mounted it in the space in the center of the handlebars with a couple of zip ties . Been working good for two months as far as the tach goes ,but the hour meter isn't accurate for some reason . I think there is a way to adjust it ,but I don't have it right. I only paid $13 dollars including shipping on ebay . I'm satisfied. |
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Title: Re: Idle speed and tach Post by renegade1 on 07/16/12 at 18:09:04 in the first page there was talk about what speed do you roll in 1st, i am at 20km/h on flat ground. idle to high??? |
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