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Title: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/07/12 at 16:47:15 We got everything on the bike fixed hopefully and first time trying to start it... nothing happened >.< No lights, no engine noises, literally NOTHING happens. Battery was tested and is fully charged.. I was wondering if the ignition could be the issue and if so is their a way to work around the ignition (hot wire) to test if maybe it's something else.. or what the best step from here would be. |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Serowbot on 03/07/12 at 17:15:52 Fuses.. right side under seat... There's 2 Ground strap just behind clutch actuator right engine case... |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/08/12 at 18:41:20 We checked them an none were blown but we replaced them anyways and its fixed :) Unfortunately... The bike just cranks endlessly. We cant get it to turn over..any ideas? The bike sat for several years, we drained ALL the fluid, painted the tank and fenders, rebuilt the carb, powder coated the rims..various other things.. the bike only has 5k miles on it. However, the rebuild kit came with a piece that ORIGINALLY had a very tiny wire mesh cap on the tip (like a filter) and i believe it was on the tip of the jet.. but the rebuild kit had no filter/mesh piece.. we called the shop and they said it would be perfectly fine without the tiny filter.. but they were a bit.. uneducated with motorcycles.. We took the little screw out of the bottom of the carb and fuel started coming out.. so fuel is in the carb I would assume. We found on the gas tank a tiny nozzel that isnt connect to anything, right below the "on" switch on the left bottom side of the tank.. is a hose of some sort supposed to connect there?? we had 0 left over hoses so I assumed not >.< |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by verslagen1 on 03/08/12 at 18:58:46 boy... are you from california? sounds like a cali epa crap... I mean carbon canister. that tank tap is a vent and you need to run a line back the tube you found. the pickup for that canister is a smaller line on the backside of the carb on the same side as the vac line. |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/08/12 at 20:03:19 Nope, oklahoma lol.. So the Carb should only have ONE air hose connected to nothing? While the other hose connects to that tap on the tank? Would that alone stop the bike from starting? |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/09/12 at 00:10:47 You got a suzuki shop manual? Good info, cheap & easy. Or maybe you can post a pic? Start this thing on prime , point the lever on the petcock to the rear, Is the gas old? & Charge that battery up, I dont care if its turning over just fine, you wouldnt believe the hassles that has caused., |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Savage_Rob on 03/09/12 at 09:34:03 407F717F292E281A0 wrote:
The stock carb has two lines that look like fuel lines attached to an unmodified stock petcock. One is actually the fuel line and the other is a vacuum line to actuate the petcock. |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/09/12 at 10:58:09 Reconnected the hose to the spout on the gas tank (hopefully the correct one?) but the problem still persists... Bike just keeps cranking endlessly :( here is a few photos, if anythinng looks wrong please let me know. http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4646/img1084xq.jpg http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/1778/img4149r.jpg http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/996/img2262sh.jpg http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5215/img6967g.jpg |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by verslagen1 on 03/09/12 at 11:09:54 417E707E282F291B0 wrote:
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4646/img1084xq.jpg vac line not hooked up |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/09/12 at 11:14:12 Where is that located at on the carb and where does it connect to from there? |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by verslagen1 on 03/09/12 at 11:16:46 See the nipple to the left of the petcock lever? just to the left of the that is the vac line, not connected to anything. |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/09/12 at 11:32:10 Wow. I can't believe I missed that. I got it reconnected (sort of) but can't get the tank back on the bike properly so the hose isn't entirely long enough. Is there a special trick to getting the tank back on the bike? But even with that hose sort of connected we still couldn't get it to start.. I think after we get that hose fully connected and the tank on the bike properly it will just go into the shop for the last little bit it takes to get it running again.. we're totally lost at this point lol... |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by verslagen1 on 03/09/12 at 11:42:50 looking at your pic's... looks like the front "C" aren't nested on the rubbers. Back the tank off an inch or two, push down on the front, make it level, push forward, then push the back end of the tank to the left and down. The back should slip to the right and down on the mount, have the rubbers ready or you'll have to lift it again. if you can't get it hooked up, pull the petcock lever back into prime. you need to do that anyway to fill up the carb. |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/09/12 at 12:02:47 Put it on prime. |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/09/12 at 12:38:46 I'm dumb, i know, but how do you put it on prime exactly?? and what's the petcock? This is my first experience with anything mechanical related.. I'm more of a paint and body guy lol. |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Serowbot on 03/09/12 at 13:00:22 What's the petcock?.. Snort!.. ;D ;D ;D... Sorry... It's the thing you're messing with. It lets the gas flow from the tank to the carb.. The knob on it has three settings. Off, On, and Prime.. Prime let's gas flow without engine vacuum. Hoses... one big one, goes from the left (shifter) side of the carb up to the petcock, near the knob. It's the fuel line The other comes from the right (rear brake) side of of the carb up to the backside of the petcock (kinda' hard to see) behind the other one. It's the vacuum line Two smaller hoses at the rear of the carb are vent tubes They go here,... and they connect to nothing. They should be open to atmosphere... Like this.. http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/serowbot/vents001.jpg Ignore the writing in this photo, but this is Prime position) Lever pointing to rear... http://suzukisavage.com/images/uploaded/pc14.jpg |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by verslagen1 on 03/09/12 at 13:29:32 5F606E60363137050 wrote:
Time to read the owners manual... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1138554254 |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Savage_Rob on 03/09/12 at 13:31:42 If you're going to run it on Prime without the vacuum line attached, the vacuum nipple on the carb should be capped during that test. I would stress that's not really the best normal operating setting though. |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/09/12 at 13:58:33 Unforunately even with the hoses all in the proper places.. still no luck :( just a constant crank. I believe were going to take the bike in at this point because it would appear something is wrong with the inside of the carb. As I mentioned before, in the carb is a small piece, a jet I believe? that had a filter on the tip.. when they gave us the rebuild kit the replacement piece had no small mesh filter on the tip, we called and they said that was perfectly fine and wouldn't cause any damage. Can anyone confirm this? The piece I'm referring to is in this image http://www.rpmracingca.com/prodimages/large/Carb%20rebuildkit3-1.jpg The piece with the small rounded filter on the tip? Our rebuild piece had no filter >.< |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by greenmonster on 03/09/12 at 14:04:59 Just a quick thing to check that may save you a trip in to the mechanic. Do you have spark? |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/09/12 at 14:20:16 Spark? like spark plug? Yes. Brand new.. we even took it out last night to double check if anything wrong with it or built up on it and still looks good as new. We have all the lights running and everything set up to go but the bike just constantly cranks and cranks sounding sooooo close to turning over. Even little puffs of air come out of the exhaust.. dunno if that means anything or not.. but I figure any little detail may be able to pin point the problem. Battery is fully charged. New oil in the bike. New spark plug. New fuses. And on 5500 miles on the bike.. so were almost certain the engine is in very good condition.. just can't seem to pinpoint the problem :( |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by greenmonster on 03/09/12 at 14:26:08 Did you check to make sure that it's sparking is what I was meaning. A brand new plug may not be sparking if there is a problem between it and the battery. It's a simple test that will save you a whack of time chasing other things. |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/09/12 at 14:27:23 yeah my old man tested it last night just pulled it out and stuck it to some metal and hit the starter -.- didn't seem to smart to me but it definitely sparked lol. |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by greenmonster on 03/09/12 at 15:01:40 That's the way to do it. :)Just be glad your old man didn't get you to hold it the way mine did when we were trying to fix the lawn mower. >:( On the flip side, I'll never forget how to do that test! |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Savage_Rob on 03/09/12 at 15:12:13 726770707B787A7B66617067150 wrote:
LOL! I learned the same way! |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/09/12 at 17:34:14 Step ONE, CHarge that battery UP, Number B Spray some kinda ether or something at the air cleaner, |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/10/12 at 17:05:25 Okay.. we got the bike started today :D... for about 5 seconds probably 10 times.. then the battery got drained from too much trying to start it I guess -.- fuel was dripping from the exhaust for a few moments, isn't that known as running rich??? Also.. fuel and what looked like dirt was dripping out of the left side of the bikes (kick stand) air hose connect to the carb. How can I make the bike run longer than 5 seconds? |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/10/12 at 19:25:16 If I twist the grip, mine wont start,Itll flood every time, |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/10/12 at 19:46:43 So I probably flooded it? How can I unflood it? |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/10/12 at 20:04:44 Wait a while, maybe youve washed the cylinder down & compression is down,, but dont twist the gas, just set the choke & push start, if it seems to be spinning just way easy, p[ull the plug & squirt some oil in & spin it, A spark on the plug with the plug out? Proves just nearly nothing about the battery, leave the plug in & stick another plug in the plugwire & test then, That way the battery is loaded just likie its trying to actually start the thing, |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/11/12 at 09:07:36 Nothin worked :( any other suggestions that might resolve the problem? |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/11/12 at 13:12:07 Did you pull the plug? Did you use ether? Instead of Nothing worked, please share with us what you did. |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/11/12 at 13:25:27 I tried spraying some wd-40 into the carb and the bike started but died same as usual and then I looked on some other forums and saw that starting with the gas cap off might work but it also did nothing.. so far the bike is only starting occasionally (at random really) and only runs for 5-10 seconds then just dies again. |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/11/12 at 15:21:13 You are trying it on prime, right? |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/11/12 at 16:00:19 We cant tell if it is prime or not, the writing has worn away and I can't find an identical image of our petcock, the one posted earlier isnt exactly the same, but it only starts with it in the same position (point to the rear I believe) so I assumed it was prime. |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by verslagen1 on 03/11/12 at 16:35:52 this is the stock petcock http://suzukisavage.com/images/uploaded/pc1.jpg this is a raptor petcock http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/serowbot/sign017.jpg?t=1288393883 It should look like one of these. |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/11/12 at 17:53:52 Id pull the plug & squirt some oil in, hit the starter & spin it, For GODS sake, hands off the gas. Clean the plug, get it ready to start, if its a Raptor, just turn it on, if its stock, put the long end of the lever to the back of the bike, set the choke, hands off the gas, & spin it over. If it will run on wd40, keep it chugging with it, pull the air filter out, & keep puffing shots in, keep it running, maybe the carb will finally catch up., Im startin to think youve got some crap in that carb,, |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by Zeke342 on 03/11/12 at 18:59:47 Is any kind of oil alright? Just regular engine oil? And before I put it on the wrong "plug" you're refering to spark plug right lol? |
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Title: Re: Electrical problems.. Ignition? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/11/12 at 20:13:24 Dont put it on the plug, squirt it around inside the cylinder. Yure trying to oil the compression ring, |
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