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Message started by rusty_bike on 02/22/12 at 07:10:07

Title: Steering Lock
Post by rusty_bike on 02/22/12 at 07:10:07

I think I know the answer to this question before I ask it but here goes anyway! There is a "Neiman" key lock on the headstock that I presume is the security system. As luck would have it, we do not have a key for this. How would a fellow go about obtaining such a key?

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/22/12 at 07:14:28

How desperate are ya for it? Youre riding one of the least stolen bikes on the planet,
If youre really serious about it, maybe call a dealer or stop by a locksmiths shop, or would you be just as happy putting a lock in the brake disk? You can get a lock with a flexible loop from a gun shop.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by verslagen1 on 02/22/12 at 08:00:10

the key is lost because the PO got fed up with it and tossed it over his shoulder. the operation of it is hinkly and it's fragile

the dealer could replace the cylinder if you really want it though.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/22/12 at 08:54:26

the operation of it is hinkly and it's fragile

Yea, I forgot what a hassle it is. I tried it, like twice I think,, Ive left the keys in it a lot more times than Ive locked it up..

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Oldfeller on 02/22/12 at 09:11:55

Even key blanks for that lock are very hard to get -- I went through the hassle you are considering going through and have used the fork lock like ONCE in 5 years .... fergit about it -- ain't worth it.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by rusty_bike on 02/22/12 at 10:21:33

I bought the bike for Rusty Bike junior. He has just passed his test and moved up from a 125 Marauder. Ignition key locked it up and he was in the habbit of doing this. I can see that the fork lock could be a real pain. I was researching ignition key blanks (which are also difficult to find this side of the pond) when I found a supplier for the Neiman lock. Decision time.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by x1karr0usx on 02/22/12 at 12:44:26

my dad's old bike had one and i remember him taking off for work one day and seeing him do one big loop in the driveway!

i used mine a few times, but "hinkly" is probably the nicest word i could use for it. i can picture myself trying to come home from work and the lock failing to disengage! if it is unlocked, i would leave it that way ;)

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by arteacher on 02/22/12 at 13:13:02

BMW use that blank, and usually have them in stock.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by rusty_bike on 02/22/12 at 15:45:33

Thank you "sir".

Title: Re: Missing Fork Key
Post by Cavi Mike on 06/22/12 at 14:28:09

*bumping this thread*

I need one also. The dealer by me has blanks but unfortunately they don't have codes so what is my option? Locksmith? My bike won't have a keyed ignition so this will be my only security.

Title: Re: Missing Fork Key
Post by Savage_Rob on 06/22/12 at 14:31:11

6042554A6E4A4846230 wrote:

Honestly, I'd get a disc lock or a chain and padlock rather than use that for security.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Cavi Mike on 06/22/12 at 14:43:38

Why would one think it would be easier to lug around a cable and lock instead of just using a keyed ignition?

As long as some dumb joy-riding kid can't just hop on the thing and ride away, the bike will be just as safe as it would be from actual bike thieves with a lock on the wheel. If someone wants to steal the bike, they're going to steal it, it doesn't matter the security. I'm not ignorant to this fact. I'm just trying to protect it from joy-riders.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Savage_Rob on 06/22/12 at 14:53:26

A disc lock is simple and pretty small. First, I missed that you don't use a keyed ignition. In any case, I'm just trying to be practical. I don't know how you'd get yours replaced other than looking for a used set to replace yours. Like others have said, it's quirky and it sticks. Another possible option to just prevent joyriders might be a hidden kill switch.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by teabowl13 on 06/22/12 at 14:55:17

My old KZ750 didn't have an ignition switch; just a well hidden toggle switch wired in and tucked away somewhere. No joy-riding kid will figure that out...

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Cavi Mike on 06/22/12 at 15:03:34

I'd rather them notice the bars were locked than have them start the bike and attempt to ride off only to ruin my brake rotor, caliper, fork and then drop the bike in the middle of the street. No one is going to see a padlock on a brake disc in the middle of the night. Hell, no one is going to see that in the middle of the day.

So, basically, no one knows how to get the lock functioning again. When I get my bike together and running, I'll take it to a locksmith and let you know how it turns out.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Savage_Rob on 06/22/12 at 15:09:04

I'm sorry you haven't gotten a better answer. You still have the hidden switch option, which is inexpensive and easy.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/22/12 at 17:31:09

Its a lot like the bald guy hunting a comb,, ya dont really need it, not yet, wait till gas hits $5.00 a gallon, then get a lock to put on the front wheel,

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by 360k+ on 06/22/12 at 18:14:17

My 2009 OM states the number is stamped on the little plate covering the lock and not on the key, but it is stamped on neither? However the key says made in Germany by a Co called Neiman. The operation takes some fiddlin, but OM instructions are:

Turn steering to left lock
Insert and turn key CW to stop
Push in and turn even further CW.
Return key to center and remove.

As far as riding off in the locked position, I don't know of anyone who wouldn't pull the bars straight before starting to ride??? When you are unable to do so, it's a pretty good sign things ain't right!

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/22/12 at 18:19:10

As far as riding off in the locked position, I don't know of anyone who wouldn't pull the bars straight before starting to ride???

Yea, you'd think,, but Ive heard of it bein done,

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Cavi Mike on 06/22/12 at 19:08:58

It takes an enormous amount of skill to be able to ride a bike without being able to turn the bars. You're either a stunter or a motorbike cop. Some joe-schmoe ain't doing it, I don't believe it for one second. They're stories and that's all they are.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by bill67 on 06/22/12 at 19:26:42

3D2224233E3908380830222E65570 wrote:

As far as riding off in the locked position, I don't know of anyone who wouldn't pull the bars straight before starting to ride???

Yea, you'd think,, but Ive heard of it bein done,

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Dave on 06/23/12 at 05:39:40

So far I have only used my lock once. It took about a minute of fiddling around with it to get it to set, it released much easier when I unlocked it.

Maybe with practice it would be easier to set and not need to fiddled with.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by rfw2003 on 06/23/12 at 05:48:00

Mine works very well, I used it for the first couple of weeks. But now I never use it at all.

As far as the key blank for it, I have a Cole key blank number for ya'll as I don't have any original keys for mine :(

Cole BN7

R.F.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Bamm on 06/23/12 at 09:01:13

Hey SR, Thank you for all of your insight, you helped me more than you know...

Okay, where is the key code location for the steering lock and what kind of key does it take, obviously it is not the same as the ignition.

Beth

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/23/12 at 09:10:51

I dont know the answers, but if I had the problem, I would be taking a ride to the local Zuki dealership.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by 360k+ on 06/23/12 at 09:17:03

4550454E524F534511200 wrote:

Beth, mine is written down in the OM. It's not on the plate or the key, but I just noticed a little plastic tab on spare set keyring with the number embossed on it. As far as the key goes it's a nickle plated cheapie like you might get with a $5 Master lock.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by arteacher on 06/23/12 at 09:28:01

When I got my bike it didn't have a key for the fork lock. I had to buy a new lock for about $50 cad and drill out the old one. It came with two keys and I wanted a third, so I got one from a BMW dealer and had it cut. All that was moot, because the rake kit has no provision for the fork lock.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by WD on 06/23/12 at 13:23:48

Buy the Cole key or BMW key as suggested. Take the whole bike to the locksmith. He can either read the number code from the lock cover or use a set of picks to read the tumblers and cut you a new key. Pick reading re-key runs anywhere from $28 to $50. I can get keys for the fork lock on a 1937 Henderson bicycle locally, a late model motorcycle isn't that difficult.

If you live near an old fashioned independent hardware store, try them. I know McClendons out in Washington state carries the key blanks, $6.95 each and a couple bucks to cut your copy. Assuming you have an original to use as a pattern of course.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Bamm on 07/05/12 at 20:31:06

Thanks for the input, ill check things out.

Bamm

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by High_Plains_Thumpr on 07/05/12 at 22:02:02

2B2C2A2D20590 wrote:

I fixed this problem of missing key on my 1987 Savage.

Ron Ayer Fische Item #25, Part No. 51900-22662, LOCK SET STEERING, $32.06.

http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID/26/Type/STEERING_STEM/MakeID/2/Make/Suzuki/YearID/28/Year/1987/ModelID/6349/Model/LS650P_SAVAGE/GroupID/261519/Group/STEERING_STEM

I checked their listing for the latest LS650 (S40) on file, which is for the 2009 year model. It uses the same part number.

I took a drill bit large enough to carefully drill the key hole (1/4"? - did back in 2003 [smiley=wink.gif]), causing all the brass tumbler pins to fall out. Now I could extract the lockset more or less per the Clymers manual, and install the new one.
It comes with 2 keys. Now you'll have one for the road and one as a spare. [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Bamm on 07/06/12 at 00:20:52

Nice, thank you so much...could you look at your lock and tell me if there is a code on it anywhere?

Bamm

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by High_Plains_Thumpr on 07/06/12 at 11:35:43

Bamm,

The code is on a plastic tag that comes with the keys. Without the keys if you don't have that tag, the locksmith cannot fabricate the key. Also, when I checked with a locksmith, the key is a special blank that he didn't have in his catalogs.

Then, the next reasonable thing to do is to replace the lock set. Be sure to save that tag in a secure place, or at least jot the number down in the owner's manual or Clymer's book.

If you have a mechanic friend, it is not hard to replace the cylinder. An experienced locksmith should be able to do it also.

YMMV [smiley=smiley.gif]

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Bamm on 07/06/12 at 12:48:00

Like my safe right...Oh, Yeah, I have the key but without the book (with the combo in it) I can't open it. Yeah makes me laugh too

Bamm

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Cavi Mike on 07/06/12 at 18:46:43

What is the procedure for removing/installing the new lock? I assume the key has to be in it but which way should it be oriented? Does the key turn both ways? I'm attempting to pick mine right now but it would make life much easier if I knew which way the key should be to remove the barrel. Seeing as new ones are $40, I'd much rather salvage this one.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Cavi Mike on 07/06/12 at 20:14:46

OK I found it. The key has to be turned to the left and it will release from the tube. Now just to pick the bugger...
http://cavimike.com/forklock1.JPG

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Bamm on 07/06/12 at 21:36:44

Okay, my question is...are there any manufactures marks i.e. company name or anything that would identify the type of lock and who makes it?

Bamm

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Cavi Mike on 07/06/12 at 21:47:50

It's a Neiman fork lock and it says so on the little cover. There isn't any key code on the lock nor can the dealer supply you with a key code. I'm having a heck of a time picking it but I'm sure a professional locksmith wouldn't have a hard time with it at all. Once the cylinder has been removed, getting a key made to fit it should be fairly easy.

5D7C727D4A4579747C7B664A417D60786567150 wrote:

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Bamm on 07/06/12 at 23:57:25

I am seriously interested to know how many different uses there are for these bmw cylinder/fork locks. They are put on many different bikes I have found so far and being I am continuously doing research anyway it is no skin off my nose to ad an extra subject of more interest.
While picking by the way, how many pins did you feel?
Bamm

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Cavi Mike on 07/07/12 at 00:48:26

There are 5 pins. The most I managed to get are 2. I think I've given up for tonight.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by High_Plains_Thumpr on 07/07/12 at 09:14:01

6B495E416541434D280 wrote:

There are 5 pins. The most I managed to get are 2. I think I've given up for tonight.

Simplist solution is order a new lock set, drill out the key hole large enough so the spring loaded brass tumbler pins fall out. Now, there is nothing to prevent the cylinder from rotation for removal.

This is much, much cheaper than having the dealer or locksmith do it. Now if you are not mechanically inclined or don't have the tools, of course you'd have to pay them for the labor.

YMMV. I replaced mine, and I am a happy camper. ;D

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Bamm on 07/07/12 at 09:50:46

I like to think I am mechanically inclined....I rebuilt my motor, took me two years to get parts I needed but I am riding her now that is why I am in such an excited state of mind. I did it under the oversight of my little brother but I learned a bunch about my own bike, swore a long time ago if I drive it or ride it and it breaks down on me I should not have to call for help I should be able to fix it and get back on the road myself. Daddy started teaching me about tools when I was oh, I guess, about 7. From there on I it was life and lessons teaching me I am the only person I can really ever rely on. SO YUP I AM STOKED TO SAY THE LEAST. And I can wait a bit till I can get a lock, I live in the country so she is parked safely and I have a great dog.

Bamm

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by High_Plains_Thumpr on 07/07/12 at 11:54:26

5441545F435E425400310 wrote:

Then kudos to you, Bamm. To go a bit further, I guess you could teach your dog to ride pillion like this rider did. ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdj67XknFrM

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/07/12 at 13:34:18

Bamm,, I DO consider myself a mechanic,but I have limits. I do not ever want to crack the cases on a bike,,I know enough to know I dont want in there. Im good at working on guns. Ive done the trigger on several, but I looked inside the cover on the Henry lever action 22 & just put it back on,, Im not goin in there..

All that,, just to say this.

My hat is off to you,.. & there was a woman in here from Hawaii,, she hadnt been riding but a few months when she took the forks out & replaced the seals,, I sure miss that gutsy gal.,.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by arteacher on 07/07/12 at 17:14:34

65444A45727D414C44435E72794558405D5F2D0 wrote:

[quote author=6B495E416541434D280 link=1329923407/30#38 date=1341647306]There are 5 pins. The most I managed to get are 2. I think I've given up for tonight.

Title: Re: Steering Lock
Post by Bamm on 07/07/12 at 19:13:18

That is the coolest thing I have ever seen!!! Nice work teaching Dog, you two make a handsome pair. I did not however, get into the cases, I did the chain and tensioner first then just double checked everything was tight and no shavings present prior to putting her heart back together. If, I have to go into the bottom then so be it though, i'll cross that bridge when and if I get there. It's all a learning experience for me and I like the grease under my nails on occasion (although not to often) they have to stay pretty too.

Bamm