|
SuzukiSavage.com
/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/switch /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1327512118 Message started by Gyrobob on 01/25/12 at 09:21:58 |
|
Title: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/switch Post by Gyrobob on 01/25/12 at 09:21:58 After some low-productivity times, the production line for Double-RYCA build is probably going to get moving again. The next order of business is the electrical system. I have all the plugs and wires identified, labeled, and in their approximate positions. For a 2002 Savage being RYCA-ized, is there something tidy to do with these items? -- Decompression solenoid controller -- Side stand relay -- take it off? -- Side stand diode -- remove it? leave it wired in? -- Side stand switch -- remove it? jump the terminals in the connector? My understanding is that for most RYCA builds, these things just stay on the bike and are taped off and hidden. (Sbaugz gave me that info) Wouldn't it be tidier, though, if they could be removed, and the wiring "adjusted" somewhat so their removal would allow normal operation of the rest of the electrical system. I half way considered using one of the hugely simplified home-built wiring systems archived here, but that would take a lot longer and with my luck I'd have to spend days sorting it out after installing it. Anyway, if any of you have ideas about how to tidy things up electrically, without a large increase in time required, I'd like to know about them. Thanks. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Savage_Rob on 01/25/12 at 09:41:40 There is a simplified wiring diagram in the tech section. I have not built and used it myself, though I have toyed with the idea of doing so at some point. If I were in your position, I might consider creating a new harness fitted to your specific needs and relocations. Just a thought. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Gyrobob on 01/25/12 at 10:41:40 5062756264665C516C61030 wrote:
I had that thought,too, but I'm at the point where I just want to be done with this. Building a new simplified wiring harness would take a few evenings at least, and then I'd have to troubleshoot it after installation which would add some more time. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by verslagen1 on 01/25/12 at 11:53:04 Here's a circuit I was working on with someone w/o the decomp and safety's. I'd prefer you left the clutch and kickstand safety's in. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Savage_Rob on 01/25/12 at 12:21:56 7A444F525F525F3D0 wrote:
True. It's something I probably won't do until I do a full stripdown for repaint, etc. and rebuild it with new wiring... or if the existing were to be damaged enough that it would take a significant amount of time to repair. Right now, just regular maintenance for the most part. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by thumperclone on 01/25/12 at 13:03:57 with the right tool you can pull pin and wire oot of the closest harness connector..that be clean |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/25/12 at 17:59:25 Yaz, oh but do remember youll need to get it oot carefully, dear. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Gyrobob on 01/25/12 at 19:34:04 I was just studying the wiring diagram and it appears the decomp controller could be removed and jumped fairly easily. The GY wire from the clutch lever sw just takes a low amp voltage from the starter switch through the clutch safety switch. That wire could be connected to the BlkY wire to the starter relay. The BlkR wire to the decomp solenoid could be disconnected since it doesn't do anything. Ditto for the RW wire supplying 12V from the fuse. The BlkW wire is just a ground, so it can be dispensed with as well. So it seems if I just disconnect all the wires and jump the terminals in the plug that would connect the GY wire to the BlkY wire, things should be peachy. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by wombat on 01/25/12 at 20:47:31 I've wired a lot of bikes and it's better to remove what you don't need rather than starting from scratch. I answered your queston about the sidestand circuit in your other post, which you might have missed. To repeat: You can remove the sidestand switch and join the two wires to make a constant ground. Or, you can then get rid of those two wires and the sidestand relay, as they are no longer needed. At the relay connect the wires going to the #3 (orange/blue) and #4 (orange) terminals. Remove the unused wires going to the #1 (green) and #2 (orange) terminals. Next you can remove the sidestand diode. It is part of the sidestand ignition-lock-out (or “interlock”) system which is no longer functional as you’ve removed the sidestand switch. Connect the wire that goes to the neutral switch (blue) to the wire going to the neutral indicator light (not sure of color). The third wire (orange?) is part of the sidestand switch/relay circuit and can be eliminated. 6C5259444944492B0 wrote:
|
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Gyrobob on 01/26/12 at 05:07:02 Wombat, yes I saw your post in another thread. Thanks. I'll use that info. What do you think about these mods to take the decomp controller out of the circuitry:
The BlkR wire to the decomp solenoid could be disconnected since it doesn't do anything. Ditto for the RW wire supplying 12V from the fuse. The BlkW wire is just a ground, so it can be dispensed with as well. So it seems if I just disconnect all the wires and jump the terminals in the plug that would connect the GY wire to the BlkY wire, things should be peachy. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Motorcycle/RYCA%20CS-1%20LS650%20S40%20Savage/LS650decompcontrlrjumper01a.jpg |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Gyrobob on 01/27/12 at 18:36:03 RYCA surmises this proposed mod to remove the decomp controller will work. Are they right? |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by wombat on 01/28/12 at 10:21:38 Not sure if this is correct. I have it all figured out but can not get to the info for a few days. I'll be in touch. 122C273A373A37550 wrote:
|
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Gyrobob on 02/01/12 at 06:33:09 I'm going to go ahead and make this mod. No one has pointed out any potential problems. I received a couple of PMs saying it would work. RYCA said they see nothing wrong with it. Dave even suggested I take out all the wiring to and from the decomp controller,... sounds like an even better (though more work) solution. The least amount of work would seem to be just unplugging the big lump of decomp controller and inserting a jumper in the plug. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Gyrobob on 02/01/12 at 17:47:49 It took about 5 minutes to make this jumper and insert it in the decompression controller plug. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Motorcycle/RYCA%20CS-1%20LS650%20S40%20Savage/RYCAdecompcntrlrjumper01.jpg Now I have to decide if I should go with this, or slow down and do the better mod Dave suggests. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Gyrobob on 02/02/12 at 07:12:27 I just temporarily wired up the power and starter circuits to do a preliminary check. The ignition and lights are not hooked up. I clamped the clutch lever to the pulled in position. I jumped the sidestand relay connectors in the green plug that used to hook up to the sidestand switch. When I turned the ignition sw to "on" you can hear a tiny click. Then when I push the starter button, the starter engages and starts to turn the motor over. I engaged the starter button for less than a second each time, just to verify the starter is trying to turn the motor over, which it is. Now, what puzzles me is why the jumper in the sidestand switch plug has no effect. The starter tries to crank the motor whether or not the sidestand plug is jumped. I would have thought connecting the blkW wire to the Gr wire going to the sidestand switch plug would have made a difference. The starter motor engages with those wired connected or separated. What gives? |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by gsjet on 02/02/12 at 07:45:39 I think the sidestand switch should only affect the engine running when in gear. If the sidestand is down and bike is put in gear, the engine dies. It should not affect the started working if it is down or up, i.e jumpered or not. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by verslagen1 on 02/02/12 at 07:47:55 Tiny click is probably the side stand relay. Is the bike in neutral? Then the side stand position won't have any affect. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Gyrobob on 02/02/12 at 11:49:07 716275746B6660626936070 wrote:
3D29303F2E2931335A0 wrote:
Ah! I get it. I shoulda known. The sidestand switch has no effect on the starter operation, just on the ignition. A stock bike will have the starter operate, but the bike won't start or run with the sidestand down and the transmission in gear. The sidestand switch has been removed as per the RYCA conversion. I'm going to remove the sidestand switch plug, and just connect those two wires together. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by verslagen1 on 02/02/12 at 12:24:07 You could eliminate the relay as well, same method as decomp controller. Hey a # is a # |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by wvenator on 02/10/12 at 08:38:34 Hey guys I'm a new member trying to learn so excuse my ignorance, but isn't the decomp cylinoid necessary to start-up? and doesn't the decomp controller time delay the starter motor until after decomression? I ask with sincerity since I just went wild doing an entirely new harness from scratch--about 35 hrs worth of wiring.I'd hate to think I could have eliminated that too. By the way the side stand switch, relay and duel diode do eliminate alot. I know its not preferred here but my only start up saftey is my clutch. I use the neutral sw to an indicator light; however it doesn't break my start up path if its in gear or the stand is down. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Gyrobob on 02/10/12 at 12:53:58 4746555E51445F42300 wrote:
If you manually lift the exhaust valve each time before you hit the starter button, you can remove all the decompression controller and solenoid stuff. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Savage_Rob on 02/10/12 at 13:50:38 Kinda like they used to do for kick-starting singles back when. If you didn't, it'd shove your knee into your armpit. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by wvenator on 02/10/12 at 15:57:33 Ahh...i see. That crossed my mind but i didnt see it stated. I like this forum. So what are you doing then? Cable and lever; or can you just pull that hard enough to open it? I tried to post some interesting pics of every control still in use enclosed in a small artillery box with the battery but cant figure it out. Pm me and ill Emil em if your interested. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Gyrobob on 02/11/12 at 05:48:45 65574057515369645954360 wrote:
Zackly. With bike, though, using an electric starter, if it kicks back while trying to start it, you might end up with a lot of loose and tiny pieces inside. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Gyrobob on 04/17/12 at 20:25:49 It all works now. Got everything jumped properly, and the relays/diodes removed. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Yazman on 09/26/22 at 12:16:20 7B454E535E535E3C0 wrote:
Sorry to revive a super old thread, but I want to make sure I understand correctly: I can jumper the yellow w/ green wire to the yellow w/ black wire on the decomp controller connector, and it will eliminate the decompression controller box, eliminate the kickstand safety, but keep the neutral safety in tact? I have 5 wires on my rectifier, 6 on my decomp controller, and it's a 2011 if that matters. |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by verslagen1 on 09/26/22 at 14:35:23 0D352E39353A540 wrote:
Sorry to revive a super old thread, but I want to make sure I understand correctly: I can jumper the yellow w/ green wire to the yellow w/ black wire on the decomp controller connector, and it will eliminate the decompression controller box, eliminate the kickstand safety, but keep the neutral safety in tact? I have 5 wires on my rectifier, 6 on my decomp controller, and it's a 2011 if that matters. [/quote] Yes, but that doesn't have anything to do with the sidestand safety, just the decomp. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Motorcycle/RYCA%20CS-1%20LS650%20S40%20Savage/RYCAdecompcntrlrjumper01.jpg |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by Yazman on 09/26/22 at 15:24:12 So if I do the mod described above with the decomp connector and I jumper the kickstand safety wires (connect them so that the circuit is permanently closed), I will retain all the other safety features (e.g., NSS)? Doesn't a wire from the decomp controller go to the safety interlock? Or does current go from the safety interlock TO the decomp controller? |
|
Title: Re: RYCA Decomp controller, s-stand relay/diode/sw Post by verslagen1 on 09/26/22 at 17:42:09 704853444847290 wrote:
yes Quote:
no idk |
|
SuzukiSavage.com » Powered by YaBB 2.2! YaBB © 2000-2007. All Rights Reserved. |