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Title: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepower Post by NicholasTanguma on 01/20/12 at 17:43:20 Hi fellas, noob here with his first post.   Here's the plan for a brand new 2012 S40, with no practical budget limit!    ::) Horsepower-- Lancer carburetor and stage 2 camshaft, ported and polished head, drag pipe, exhaust porting.  Am I missing anything? Weight Reduction-- custom Raask-type drag pipe, Ryca battery box with side covers deleted, Shorai Power lightweight battery, alloy rims, passenger pegs deleted, chain conversion, belt guard deleted.  Am I missing anything? Long-term Reliability-- Verslagen cam chain tensioner, raptor petcock.  Am I missing anything? How much hp and torque do you motorheads think I can get at the rear wheel with this plan, and do you think it's possible to reduce the curb weight to 350lbs with this plan?

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by Serowbot on 01/20/12 at 17:59:34 No budget limit?... Buy a Ducati and stick a Boulevard badge on it... ;D... Seriously,.. you might have the wrong bike.. You can get under 350lbs easy,.. but, if you want more than 40hp and still reliable, this bike ain't it.. I wouldn't sink that much money in a bike just to gain 8 or 10hp... You can get 3 or 4hp gain for $30... past that, and you're trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear...

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/12 at 18:51:35 If youre new to riding Id suggest you ride it a while. Wouldnt want to fix it all up just to make a noob mistake & scrape it up., Id at least break the engine in before I messed with it. Get it broken in, time some 0-60 stuff, 40 to 70 roll ons. See what it will do. Every time you make a change, test run it & se what you gained, or lost.

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by Boofer on 01/20/12 at 18:52:42 Just an observation from an old guy who learned on Kawasaki H1s and H2s. There is a lot to be said for handling and usable horsepower in the range you use. The stock bike in 3rd or 4th gear can handle a wide range of tight curves and stay in the power band. I moved my bike from the lower band to the middle upper middle with a quiet Harley muffler and slight carb adjustment. Having said that, go for it. But ride it a couple of thousand miles first so you can tell if you're going forward not backward with your mods. :)

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by NicholasTanguma on 01/20/12 at 18:58:44 7D6B7C61796C617A0E0 wrote: No budget limit?... Buy a Ducati and stick a Boulevard badge on it... ;D... Seriously,.. you might have the wrong bike.. You can get under 350lbs easy,.. but, if you want more than 40hp and still reliable, this bike ain't it.. I wouldn't sink that much money in a bike just to gain 8 or 10hp... You can get 3 or 4hp gain for $30... past that, and you're trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear... Roger that.  Lately I've become attracted to the LS650 because it's the antithesis of seemingly everything else in the industry.  It's dimensionally compact, super lightweight, carb'd...simple, simple, simple.  It doesn't require me to become a poser in Village People leather or Power Ranger neon--it's just an honest moto without pretense.  I've done the 800lb chopper with 150 foot lbs of torque, and I've done the Jedi mind-control electronics superbike schtick.  I've come to most enjoy one cylinder and a mantra of "less is more."  I've even been drooling over Cleveland Cyclewerks and Royal Enfield! BTW, how much under 350lbs can I get?  Less is more!

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by verslagen1 on 01/20/12 at 19:08:29 No budget limit?   [smiley=evil.gif] I would leave the belt and pulleys.  Drill the front pulley and it'll be lighter than chain. Drill pulley cover Titanium bolts everywhere. Mikuni flat side pumper carb. Professional flow bench port job. Electrical... minimal wiring job, eliminate the safety's, bye bye starter relay (push button on starter)  bye bye decomp control/solenoid (lever op) mini sig's and tail light, minimal controls. Aluminum fenders, shifter, pegs, battery box/cdi/rectifier mount. the ryca battery box is slick, but way too much for the micro battery. do I hear 250 lbs? Hey, BTW.... what the heck is your objective? I also see progressive 440's or Orlin's in your future and either swap the front end with a sport bike or cartridge emulators and stiffer springs.

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by NicholasTanguma on 01/20/12 at 21:03:48 405344455A5751535807360 wrote: No budget limit?   [smiley=evil.gif] I would leave the belt and pulleys.  Drill the front pulley and it'll be lighter than chain. Drill pulley cover Titanium bolts everywhere. Mikuni flat side pumper carb. Professional flow bench port job. Electrical... minimal wiring job, eliminate the safety's, bye bye starter relay (push button on starter)  bye bye decomp control/solenoid (lever op) mini sig's and tail light, minimal controls. Aluminum fenders, shifter, pegs, battery box/cdi/rectifier mount. the ryca battery box is slick, but way too much for the micro battery. do I hear 250 lbs? Hey, BTW.... what the heck is your objective? I also see progressive 440's or Orlin's in your future and either swap the front end with a sport bike or cartridge emulators and stiffer springs. The objective is to maintain the S40 aesthetic while making as much reliable horsepower/torque as possible, and while becoming as lightweight as possible.   Usually I'm all about every mod possible, so that a motorcycle is barely even recognizable as its former factory self; however, the LS650 is one of the few motorcycles that I actually like as a stock look.  So, the stock front end, fenders, fender rails, risers/bars/switch housings, and head/tail/turn lights must remain.   Also, I'm aware the Ryca box is sized for the stock battery, but the Ryca box is also part of the aesthetic for which I've developed an affinity, so I'm thinking it will probably remain on my list.  Unless you have a quite good reason it's not compatible with the Shorai unit?

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by verslagen1 on 01/20/12 at 21:55:27 0522282324272A381F2A252C3E262A4B0 wrote: Also, I'm aware the Ryca box is sized for the stock battery, but the Ryca box is also part of the aesthetic for which I've developed an affinity, so I'm thinking it will probably remain on my list.  Unless you have a quite good reason it's not compatible with the Shorai unit? You'll have to tie the battery down in there.  It will be like tossing a weiner down a hallway.   ;D

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by built2last66 on 01/21/12 at 05:35:38 You're missing pull that stock air box and throw on a cone air filter, preferably with an elbow air tube face into the wind... Oh yeah, and Slick Chics super charger kit :D :D :D [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKrfGay4FlI[/media]

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by lukeduck on 01/21/12 at 07:01:50 1) Pack money in box. 2) Secure box of money to bike. 3) Ride to Slick Chick's. 4) Tell em you want the absolute top of line treatment on bike. 5) Give em 90 days. 6) Refill money box as needed. 7) Have fun!

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by built2last66 on 01/21/12 at 07:04:31 7069777978697F771C0 wrote: 1) Pack money in box. 2) Secure box of money to bike. 3) Ride to Slick Chick's. 4) Tell em you want the absolute top of line treatment on bike. 5) Give em 90 days. 6) Refill money box as needed. 7) Have fun! +1  :D

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by kernel ken on 01/24/12 at 09:40:01 Sometimes we do things because we want to, not because it makes economic sense. If everything had to be practical and make sense, most of the things you read about here would never get done. I suggest that you put the bike on a diet and see how it performs before you do any engine mods. You said you liked to looks of the stock bike and want to maintain the S40 aesthetic. But if you’re serious about removing weight from the bike and cost being no object, here are some weight reduction thoughts… Carbon fiber wheels. They will need to be modified before they’ll fit, but, cost is no object. You’ll save a couple pounds per wheel. With the carbon fiber wheels you will be able to switch to tubeless tires. More weight savings per wheel. Carbon fiber or fiberglass fenders, front and rear. Fiberglass or plastic fuel tank. Small LED turn signals front and rear. Electronic instrument to replace the speedometer. The Veypor unit also includes a tach in one package. Replace the stock muffler with a megaphone or shorty muffler. The one in the Slick Chics You Tube looked light and really cool. Replace the stock battery with a lithium ion battery. Verslagen 1’s suggestions for weight reduction are all good ones. I would guestimate the above mods will pull a good 25 pounds off the overall weight. Don’t forget there are big bore pistons available that will allow the displacement to be taken to almost 700cc. This is an interesting project.  Be sure to post your mods and the results.

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by verslagen1 on 01/24/12 at 11:47:10 carbon fiber.... schwing!!!                                         lbs Front Rear Blackstone Tek (BST) Carbon fiber 5.5 10.38 Suzuki Stock Cast Aluminum        10.28 16.8 And that not the even the savage steel wheels.

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by kernel ken on 01/24/12 at 12:24:16 Here's an additional weight reduction technique...Those wheels are just $3499.00 each. That'll make your wallet quite a bit lighter so you're saving even more weight. These can be purchased in Dayton Ohio, just a few miles North of me. Be glad to pick up a set  for you  ;) Hey, this doesn't have to make sense, it's just fun to think about!

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by Savage_Rob on 01/24/12 at 13:39:24 Don't forget the Flux Capacitor.

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by verslagen1 on 01/24/12 at 15:09:32 Hmmm... carbon http://benjiescaferacer.com/bikes/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/c-triumph051.jpg

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by Zoltan on 10/09/23 at 02:24:09 Hi there, Is it OK to hijack an old thread? I like to reuse threads after all the topic is pretty similar... I have slightly different conditions though: Weight reduction and budget is not unlimited, rather on the sane and frugal level. :D So, being a new owner for Savage, the first thing that was obvious for me: things are massive and thick heavy steel. Almost all my previous bikes had thin pressed steel or plastic fenders and here i see a lot of weight. So what do you guys think, how much pounds, kilos, stones you can get rid of by: - dropping rear seat, fender, the mounting subframe - dropping the airbox, covers, toolkit locker etc from under the seat - maybe swap out the front fender if it's not crucial for the stability of the forks. Thanks, let me know if it should be rather posted as a new thread.

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/09/23 at 05:30:41 The S40 weighs about 360 without fuel. My cafe conversion weighs just under 300. The rear fender/seat assembly accounts for probably half of that weight difference.

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by LANCER on 10/09/23 at 14:13:00 My Savage was originally a ‘96 model, but the engine now resides in an ‘86 frame.  Its name is REX.  He has gone through a couple of transitions, first it was going to a cafe but after a while I decided I wanted a more laid back style so I started the next transition to a bobber.   Items removed/swapped: -Front fender replaced by fork brace and a dirt bike aluminum fender. -Fuel tank modified by RYCA. -Seat replaced by solo seat. -Air box replaced by RYCA  battery box. -Side covers replaced by steel plates(later aluminum) -Rear fender replaced with small steel trailer fender. (Aluminum later) -Header and muffler replaced:  mild steel tube header 1.75”OD x 1.65”ID, and currently a HD Dyna muffler (works great on this bike).   -carb replaced by 36mm Mikuni round slide and a Uni foam air filter. -camshaft replaced by a custom grind done by Webcam Inc., with more duration and lift. (Similar to a DR650 cam but not quite as much lift) -piston replaced by custom 97mm forged hi-comp 10.5:1 done by Wiseco. -front brake upgrade -suspension upgrade Weight about 320 lbs. Almost forgot, 6 lb. flywheel replaced by 3lb. unit. Runs very well, plenty of power, lots of torque for passing trucks going uphill, and it’s perfect for carving out the mountain roads. Zoom Zoom [ch127949][ch127949]

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by Armen on 10/09/23 at 14:43:50 On mine: Alloy rims All axles spacers made out of aluminum Axles and swingarm pin drilled Light flywheel Mikuni RS40 carb and K+N pod Lighter exhaust Rear sets Aluminum side stand off a 675 Triumph Drilled brake drum backing plate and shoes Fake valve cover removed Useless fins cut off left side of head Cam sprocket drilled Belt pulleys narrowed. Narrower belt Shorai lithium battery Decomp stuff removed MotoGadget M-Unit and M-button MAC exhaust Aluminum front fender Aluminum seat and tank Aluminum clip-ons Mini switches Lots of crap ground off the frame And lots of stuff I’ve forgotten. Prob weighs about  285 lbs

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by Zoltan on 10/11/23 at 23:28:54 So you can drop a good 100lbs off it, that's quite something! Thanks for the writeups, very informative.

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/12/23 at 04:59:46 I don't think anyone claimed that. I know that Dave and I managed around 60 pounds. Click the link in my signature and you will see that to get below 300 pounds, you no longer have a Savage.

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by Dave on 10/14/23 at 04:41:40 I believe I got down around 32o pounds. My bike resembles a RYCA Cafe bike and has some RYCA parts (seat, side body panels, footpeg mounts, belt guard, sidestand), and is a pretty minimal bike without any luggage or windscreen.  I have aluminum wheel rims on both ends, a small 90/90-18 front tire, and a small front fender.  My air cleaner is a round foam clamp on without any box - I have a very light Lithium battery and clamp on handlebars. The fuel tank is a GT550 and is not very heavy when empty - but it is 4 gallons and holds nearly 30 pounds of gas when full.  My headlight is 8" and weighs more than the tiny stock headlight.  My rear wheel pulley is a Kawasaki KZ750 pulley and is cast iron and adds a few pounds. I believe getting below 300 pounds will require a very spindly looking motorcycle and some real effort. I do believe that with some trimming and parts removal you could drop 20-30 pounds and still have a motorcycle that is functional.  Removing fenders really affects how the bike functions when the roads are wet - my bike throws water all over me.  The front wheel throws a strip of water upward that hits me in the center of my face shield....the front tire also throws a stream of water out both sides that goes into each shoe - the back tire throws a stream of water up my backside.  It is a great bike to ride when it is dry....pretty miserable when the roads are wet.

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by och on 10/14/23 at 07:38:43 The Savage is a great bike, very nimble and agile, but its got a weak rear brake and no ABS. Adding more power to it without upgrading brakes and suspension can land you in a land of trouble. Ever consider supermotos? A KTM 690 SMC is also a single cylinder, simple, non pretentious, and does everything incredibly well.

Title: Re: No Budget Limit Weight Reduction and Horsepowe Post by Zoltan on 11/27/23 at 04:29:06 Supermotos? Oh yes, If I was not shorter than a duchshund! :D Ok, so 150kg is difficult to reach, got it. Fun fact: Removed the tail assembly, fender, chrome sides, backrest, rear lamp all together weighs about 9kgs! Chunky metal, that.

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