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Title: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 12/31/11 at 09:45:21 I have a little jingle in my cylinder head, almost like if you're walking with keys in your pocket, real random... any ideas what it might be or if it's safe to drive it like that for awhile? |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by bill67 on 12/31/11 at 09:47:52 What kind of oil are you using? |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 12/31/11 at 10:06:35 464D48481213240 wrote:
Not running Klotz... was using Suzuki brand now I'm running some Rot Triple... :D |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by Oldfeller on 12/31/11 at 11:39:31 Your rocker arm pivot pins have little thrust washers on them that are intended to keep the rocker arm from bouncing back & forth in the small amount of clearance that you leave when you adjust them correctly. This tension washer set up wears out and loses tension, giving you the little jingle sound when the rocker arm starts bouncing back & forth in the clearance, tapping on the top of the valve stem and the face of the cam/follower clearance. Little tinkle is pretty much meaningless functionally if your valves are correctly adjusted. You just keep the valve clearance adjusted and then live with the jingle bell sound. Also know that if you have any larger than stock cam bearing clearances due to simple wear, this can cause the sound to come and go as the cam drifts around inside its clearance (which is additive to your tappet clearance, btw). Run it -- if it is something more serious it will make itself known in good time. Now this is Bill's clue to try to start something --- his new new year's resolution maybe? |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/31/11 at 11:41:19 Keep the valves right & wear a quality set of earplugs.. |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 12/31/11 at 11:45:14 Ok so I'm gonna leave it and ride it a week more till I can do a total tear down right after the cold weather... I hope nothings damaged [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by bill67 on 12/31/11 at 11:53:59 26312D283076282537307272440 wrote:
Not running Klotz... was using Suzuki brand now I'm running some Rot Triple... :D[/quote] And you wonder why its noisy. :o ::) |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by verslagen1 on 12/31/11 at 12:04:25 Check around the bike for something loose. typical characters are the speedo, and headlight. Don't know anything that makes a tingle... maybe bill put rocks in you head light? what have you done lately to your bike? check the bolts. |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 12/31/11 at 12:08:51 4E5D4A4B54595F5D5609380 wrote:
Lat thing I did was instal verslavvy (all new gaskets, circlip, correct torques), but it was jingling before that... it's definatley inside the head... something tinking... |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by verslagen1 on 12/31/11 at 12:11:07 the speedo can make various sounds. so I wouldn't rule anything out. |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by arteacher on 12/31/11 at 12:33:17 It is probably a loose washer on some bolt you will never find, except by accident. If it was inside the head the noise would probably be muted to some extent, and not be a tinkle but a light knocking. I used to be paranoid about every little sound I heard. The first time I rode it for a good while on a really hot day the valves were noisy when I slowed down for a stop sign. Scared the bejeasus out of me. They were nice and quiet again after the bike had cooled down. If you are really worried about it get a mechanic's stethoscope and track it down. |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 12/31/11 at 13:59:17 Its something inside of the head.. I tried to make a video but all you can hear is are the chains.... |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by Oldfeller on 12/31/11 at 19:02:24 Must not be very serious then. Old mechanic's rule of thumb -- if you can't figure out what it is, wait a while. If it is something significant it will get worse until the source becomes clear. Tearing stuff down before that point isn't very useful, as you can finish the tear down and reassembly STILL not knowing what it was .... If you just did the verslavy, then you know what it isn't. I am unaware of anything in the head that is gonna "drop dead" on you suddenly -- low oil pressure is the only thing that ever causes rapid head death and that kills the entire motor pretty quickly. |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by verslagen1 on 12/31/11 at 19:53:11 You did pull the little plastic tab out of the bottom didn't you? |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 12/31/11 at 20:18:09 273423223D3036343F60510 wrote:
lol yes |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 01/01/12 at 08:27:47 Ok so it seems to be predominately coming from inside the left side of the head. No performance issues, and not loud when throttling.... you can't hear it when riding.. seems to only be during idle... reminds me of a chain randomly nicking a guard.. strange huh? |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by arteacher on 01/01/12 at 08:39:54 Did you use a stethoscope? |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 01/01/12 at 08:46:16 7A717178747B7A6061150 wrote:
I haven't picked one up yet, how are you supposed to use that without melting it to the engine, or are they aluminum on the piece you touch to the engine? |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by ham45 on 01/01/12 at 09:13:01 Back in the day we used to use a broom handle to listen to funny noises in a car engine and try and determine where they'r coming from and what they are. Simply place one end of wooden handle on different parts of the engine, put your ear on the other end. Be supprised how well it works. |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by verslagen1 on 01/01/12 at 09:28:26 http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/160x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_18203.jpg |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by RidgeRunner13 on 01/01/12 at 09:29:34 Stethoscopes for mechanics have a long thin metal rod you place against the various points you want to listen to. :) You can use a long screwdriver. Place the tip against the point you want to listen to & put your ear against the end of the handle. I did this for years before they started selling mechanics' stethoscopes. ;D My first boss had a small can attached to a piece of 3/16" brazing rod about 18" long. He used a die to cut threads on one end of the rod & attached it to the center of the botton of the can. Works really good because the can focuses the sound to your ear. If you decide to make one, you could use a vienna sausage can & a long 1/4" bolt with the head cut off & ground to a point. Not so pretty, but it will work. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 01/01/12 at 09:43:49 Cool, guess I'll get the Lisle one at advance instead of the cheapo one at Northern Tools... thanks ;) |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 01/07/12 at 13:54:31 Must be time for a valve adjustment, I'm a lil over 8k miles.. :) |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by arteacher on 01/07/12 at 17:26:45 I used to use a screwdriver too. The stethoscope allows you to use it on moving parts (ie- lifters) where a screwdriver will just bang you in the ear. ;D (don't ask me how I know this) It also allows you to listen in places where you can't use a screwdriver. |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/08/12 at 05:24:39 Ive been so nice. Ive avoided using the thread title as an invitation to be mean, but its really, really hard on me. I cant take it any more.. I ju8st cant stand it,..Okay? Look,, its simple,, youve got a screw loose, mate.. Some days I hate my sense of humor,I cant read that Your support is Vital Thread title & not get a mental image of Dolly Parton talking to her bra. |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 01/08/12 at 07:58:09 It's not a screw... it's inside the head... loose chain or valves need adjusting.. I already had it listened to by a mechanic.. so if you want to be mean go ahead and make yourself look like bill67 ;D |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by bill67 on 01/08/12 at 08:56:19 Your valves and chain should go at least 25000 miles with out adjustments if your using motorcycle oil,If your not your on your own. |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/08/12 at 09:34:57 21362A2F37712F2230377575430 wrote:
OUCH,, now YOUre the meany,, :D |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by arteacher on 01/08/12 at 13:29:13 3B2C30352D6B35382A2D6F6F590 wrote:
When did you have it listened to by a mechanic/ What exactly did he say? Not the same guy who put your Raask on I hope. :-? |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 01/08/12 at 13:35:48 He said around 8k miles the valves may need to be adjusted, and something about changing the oil but I already changed the oil... and change it regularly... |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by arteacher on 01/08/12 at 13:56:01 Valves don't make a jingle sound, they make a tapping sound. The looser they are the louder the tapping. I can't think of anything in the head that would"jingle" and still have the engine running well. I would be willing to bet real money (but not much) that you have a loose or broken bolt that has backed off enough to let the washer underneath "jingle". Quite possibly one of the bolts that hold the chromed engine covers on. Or maybe something has fallen in on top of the plug, or somewhere else on top of the motor. Maybe something is loose on your compression release. I just don't think you should try to fix something in the head if it doesn't need it. One of the many pearls of wisdom that my grandad used to say was "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." The knowledgeable people on this site (Verslagen, Lancer, Oldfeller, amoung many outhers) have collectively forgotten more stuff about this bike than ANY mechanic has ever learned. Listen to them. ;) |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by arteacher on 01/08/12 at 15:55:10 I just thought of something else.... could it be your keys rattling in the ignition? ;) |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 01/08/12 at 16:05:55 aha the keys in the ignition have jingled before and threw me off for a few miles.. |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by Oldfeller on 01/09/12 at 03:56:19 Yep, learned enough over the years here on the list not to engage in a "guessing game", especially when no additional information has been offered by Built2last and no additional work has been done by him to refine his situation. He's taken it to a mechanic -- and the man has spoken, he has a mystery noise not involved with valves. If the mechanic was for real he also looked at the decompression solenoid adjustment, which is part of a valve tune up. All the false cover bolts and little rubber bits were covered by this professional assessment process, so he has no lose screws, missing rubber spacers, screws/washers/nuts nor misplaced aluminium cover pieces. So, Built2last is all done for the rest of his recommended 8,000 mile valve train service program as recommended by his mechanic. He has a small mystery noise to live with (until it gets more defined and reveals itself by other symptoms) Jingle Bells, shotgun shells, Rudolf's on the way ..... ;) check out Built2last's last 25 posts under "click on his name", informational reading ..... |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 01/09/12 at 06:42:18 I just asked the mechanic to listen to it while I was picking up a new helmet... I just posted asking in case it was a already known problem (like the cam chain tension-er and petcock issues).. I don't have room to take my engine apart and search for the problem... especially by myself having no engine experience... :'( Anyways, it doesn't get louder if you rev the bike and you can only hear it while it's idling... sounds like a slightly loose chain occasionally tinking a guide or something... so I'm gonna have to overlook it for now. I've seen plenty of run down bikes because of owner neglect or simple fixes that the owner didn't pay attention to, and I don't plan on letting that happen to my bike... 5271797B787171786F1D0 wrote:
Why are you engaging in "listen to this noise" then and what does this mean? |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by arteacher on 01/09/12 at 07:45:35 The last time I requested assistance with a performance issue I got some advice. I did what was suggested, which didn't resolve the problem, and asked for the next thing to look at. I did what was suggested and found the problem. My point is... I listened to what they said, followed their advice, and found the problem. Took 7 posts, including mine. You seem unwilling to listen to advice, and defend your position with no support. Case in point: After asking me to explain how to install the Raask, which I did in great detail, you take it to a mechanic and he screws it up,(I suggested you find another mechanic, because the Raask installation is a no brainer, so easy, in fact that I actually doubted that you took it to a mechanic,) and you come back to me to help you fix it, which I did, complete with a picture. You didn't listen the first time. And you tend to embellish a bit, I think. You implied that a mechanic had actually investigated the problem, instead of " asking a mechanic to listen to it while I was picking up a new helmet". "I just posted asking in case it was a already known problem (like the cam chain tension-er and petcock issues).. I don't have room to take my engine apart and search for the problem... especially by myself having no engine experience... :'(" You changed the tensioner, so you have room and experience. If it's a loose chain, then you didn't do the tensioner properly. It's getting to the point, with all your inconsistencies, that it is hard to take you seriously. |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 01/09/12 at 07:57:46 Arteacher this was a Suzuki dealership mechanic... If it's not a known issue just forget I even asked... I shouldn't consider advice from people that can't comprehend what I'm saying... noise's on the inside of the engine = loose screw on the taillight [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by arteacher on 01/09/12 at 08:02:29 Definitely a loose screw somewhere ;D ;D ;D And dealer mechanics are not gods either...I have had to correct the local dealer a couple of times (improper belt tension after a tire installation, and incorrect carb adjustment to reduce backfire when I first bought it.) |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 01/09/12 at 08:04:30 I was being sarcastic about the taillight.. Thanks for the help and the "advice" none the less though.. :D I have a stethoscope and I will doctor this myself.. schematic in hand... once it stops raining... |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by arteacher on 01/09/12 at 08:09:55 50475B5E46005E5341460404320 wrote:
Sounds pretty snarky to me. |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/09/12 at 08:23:05 The "Gaawds" of the dealership mechanic shops have been so good as to install oil filters backwards. |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 01/09/12 at 08:29:50 594640475A5D6C5C6C54464A01330 wrote:
That's exactly why I want to be able to fix any problems myself... and ask a metric ton of questions... I see what ya did there in the other thread... |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/10/12 at 11:14:41 4F584441591F414C5E591B1B2D0 wrote:
That's exactly why I want to be able to fix any problems myself... and ask a metric ton of questions... I see what ya did there in the other thread...[/quote] What? What did I do? I mita messed somethin UP.. |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by Serowbot on 01/10/12 at 11:19:21 Sometimes,... I get that, "I am stuck on Band-aids, 'cause Band-aids stuck on me" jingle stuck in my head... other times,... it's the "Bologna" song... "My Bologna has a first name, it's O S C A R... my bologna has a second name"... Anyway,... best way to get rid of them, is loud punk rock... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Jingle in my head Post by built2last66 on 01/10/12 at 12:36:42 That Oscar Meyer song is a known issue for sure... |
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