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Title: Flat black crankcase paint Post by built2last66 on 12/06/11 at 09:14:46 Just wondering if anyone knows what kind of paint is on this guys crankcase, where I get some, and the process of applying it. Noob question as always, and thanks! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywAwINGkeKk&feature=related[/media] |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by Serowbot on 12/06/11 at 09:29:58 Looks like BBQ grill paint... ... scuff n' spray... |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by Boofer on 12/06/11 at 09:44:44 Not to argue with Serowbot, but I bought some Krylon BBQ paint for my header during my teardown. After prep and paint a fingernail scraped it off. I then bought some Rustoleum High Temp primer and High Temp flat black. I didn't use primer on the Krylon, because it said it wasn't needed, and I did take the header to nearly bare metal. The Rustoleum worked great and looks great. I am old enough to know better and should have primed the Krylon, but we all get lazy sometimes and the "one-coat Krylon" was cheaper. So, for being cheap and lazy, I got to do it again. Again, not arguing, but prime and prep is a must. Just adding to Serow's advice. I know others on here have used inexpensive paint that worked fine. :) |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by Serowbot on 12/06/11 at 09:54:14 173A3A333027550 wrote:
Well, shucks yeah,... if you want to do it right... ;D... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by built2last66 on 12/06/11 at 10:00:25 Thanks Boofer, searching online I can only find spray cans of Rustoleum High Temp primer and High Temp flat black.. that's what you used right? Is 2000 degrees high enough for the crank case? |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by MotoBuddha on 12/06/11 at 10:12:44 I got black and silver (there's also, like, red, blue and orange for the Big Three factory engine colors) Rustoleum engine paint at the auto parts store. But even more important than priming is getting the surface really clean, and then getting all the cleaner off. |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by Boofer on 12/06/11 at 10:21:00 Something that is hardly mentioned about primer is that it fills in rough places and, when sanded, makes a great paintable surface. Auto Zone, about $10/can. Rustoleum High Temp paint and primer. I think it says "2000 Degrees" on the can, but last summer my bike only got to 1000 degrees and I got to 105 myself. That's like, what? a 900 percent safety margin? ;) |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by built2last66 on 12/06/11 at 10:23:40 Ok, so I want the spray cans, and avoid even the Rusoleum BBQ stuff? And what kind of cleaning do I need to do for the crankcase and the other side where the shifter is? Should I sand after priming, and if so what grade sandpaper? :D |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by MotoBuddha on 12/06/11 at 10:53:57 There are various spray-on engine cleaners at the auto parts store. Also, get a toothbrush for getting into the tight spots. Then clean off the degreaser with something like 409, and rinse off the 409 with water. If you can, blow it dry with compressed air. Water/chemicals can hide in nooks and crannies. If you want to sand the primer, use something like 400 or 600 grit. But I think sanding the primer is unnecessary unless you're going with a glossy final finish. |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by built2last66 on 12/06/11 at 11:59:21 So the spray cans are good or do I need a bucket and brush for the rustoleum paint? |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by MotoBuddha on 12/06/11 at 12:35:59 The Rustoleum paint is in a spray can. Follow the directions on the can -- not just the ones about shaking it. |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by verslagen1 on 12/06/11 at 12:36:19 I always use a roller when I paint ;D of course I don't paint bikes, I ride them. |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by built2last66 on 12/06/11 at 13:23:43 by shifter in my previous post i meant gears.. I'm trying to gather up what I'm gonna need now.. |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by bill67 on 12/06/11 at 13:50:37 Rustoleum is the best,How do I know I built the house for the owner of Rustoleum before it went public. |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by JohnBoy on 12/06/11 at 18:07:41 I used Rustoleum to paint a store sign on glass in FL. The sign was facing the afternoon sun for six months out of the year and held up for ten years. No flaking no peeling three hurricanes...and all out of a spraycan. If you are interested in seeing how it looks on a motorcycle tank look through the past post for "rustoleum" posted on 2/6/2010. http://picasaweb.google.com/crutcher.john/RattleCanPaintJob?feat=directlink The entire tank was painted with different colors and textures of Rustoleum rattle cans. |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by built2last66 on 12/06/11 at 22:49:12 Nice job Johnboy |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by wombat on 12/07/11 at 05:06:27 What color did you use to get that textured black effect? 705552547855433A0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by MotoBuddha on 12/07/11 at 06:13:31 4B53515E5D483C0 wrote:
[/quote] Looks like "trunk paint" or do-it-yourself bed liner. |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by JohnBoy on 12/10/11 at 21:37:37 352D2F202336420 wrote:
It is a texture paint made by Rustoleum called antique iron. I got it in a spray can at Home Depot or Lowes. I have painted a few bikes and I understand the process. The reason I used Rustoleum spray cans was that I was trying to make a point to the people on this site. Some here were quoting paint prices as high as 2000.00...Hell I bought the bike for 1900.00 If you are willing to spend a little time and a lot of hand work, you can do professional work with a spray can. If memory serves I painted the tank (and most of the rest of the bike) for about 55.00. At that price you can paint it every year. JB |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by teabowl13 on 12/10/11 at 22:01:58 I agree. The key is in the priming and sanding; it's tedious, but if you really spend your time there and get it right, the paint will love you for it. Then you just have to be patient with the paint; thin, smooth, even coats, and lots of them. Practice first. A Lot! |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by verslagen1 on 12/10/11 at 22:25:51 found this in the alternate universe... http://www.66autocolor.com/SprayMax_2K_Aerosol_Auto_Paint_p/spm-mix2k.htm 2 part epoxy paint in a can. |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by beacon on 12/11/11 at 09:01:46 For those interested it is actually called "Aged Iron." 0F2A2D2B072A3C450 wrote:
It is a texture paint made by Rustoleum called antique iron. I got it in a spray can at Home Depot or Lowes. I have painted a few bikes and I understand the process. The reason I used Rustoleum spray cans was that I was trying to make a point to the people on this site. Some here were quoting paint prices as high as 2000.00...Hell I bought the bike for 1900.00 If you are willing to spend a little time and a lot of hand work, you can do professional work with a spray can. If memory serves I painted the tank (and most of the rest of the bike) for about 55.00. At that price you can paint it every year. JB[/quote] |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by built2last66 on 12/11/11 at 18:44:36 This thread is really about painting the stock S40 crankcase flat black SUCCESSFULLY, lets reserve painting tanks/fenders when I get to it :D |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by JohnBoy on 12/12/11 at 04:31:18 Here is a tip for you... before you start painting your bike, go to Good Will and buy an old steel cookie sheet for 1.00, then try your different paints primers and clears on that. Its better to discover that paints don't mix or that you really don't like the color "before" you put it on the bike :) I only used Rustoleum products on my bike so that I wouldn't have as much of an issue with paint interaction...and I still did the above. |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by built2last66 on 12/12/11 at 06:22:09 That's a good tip, but I don't plan on making anything pretty at the moment.. my shoes seem to burn to the crank case every now and then... :D |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by AlphaBarney on 12/12/11 at 08:43:33 okay, so I'm planning on doing this over the winter too. I'll be painting the caliper, rear drum, and the entire engine. Basically any aluminum I can get to easily because the clear on it is all starting to flake off/pit. Couple questions: 1) Am I looking for very high temp paint or "engine paint"? The engine paint says good up to 500° I think. Do our little air-cooled engines get hotter than that? 2) Is it better to paint the engine with the covers on, or take it apart and tape it all off? 3) Can I paint the carb to match or will this alter/ruin its performance? 3) Any other suggestions opinions accepted!! |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by MotoBuddha on 12/12/11 at 09:45:24 072A362E2704273428233F460 wrote:
1) Lower temperature engine paint is fine unless you're painting the exhaust. You could use it on the head just to be safe. 2) It depends. Do you want all your bolt heads painted too? If you like that look, then go for it. 3) As long as you tape off the intake, exit and fuel and vacuum nipples, there's no problem -- assuming you like your bolts painted too. Get some Rustoleum Clear Coat Remover to strip the clear coat off before you repaint. Spray, wait for it to blister, wipe off the clear coat, repeat until you get it all from the nooks and crannies. Who knows, once you get the scabby clear coat off, you might decide to leave it that way. And as I've said elsewhere, clean clean clean before you paint, and use a primer, which is also available in a high-temp version, on the shelf next to the high-temp paint. |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by AlphaBarney on 12/12/11 at 14:26:32 Thanks Moto! I'm not too worried about the bolts. I was planning on putting together a set of SS set like this to replace the originals. The originals are starting to show some rust; thought this would go well with the blacked out engine. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUZUKI-1986-UP-LS650-S40-STAINLESS-ENGINE-BOLT-KIT-/130570686983?hash=item1e669e9207&item=130570686983&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr#ht_2208wt_1161 |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by Boofer on 12/13/11 at 22:28:25 Barney, I've always liked engines with distinct bolts of a different color. Can't say why unless it looks more business-like or maybe like it's built for work, not phtos. |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by JohnBoy on 12/14/11 at 05:09:17 I once painted the side cases of a 250 Harley with black wrinkle paint from a spray can (the kind you used to see on old typewriters). It wasn't sold as high heat but it looked really good for two years...before someone stole the bike. |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by AlphaBarney on 12/14/11 at 07:07:42 JB, I looked over what the local Autozone had when I was there last night. Saw the engine paint "Low Black" good up to 500° and then there was a can of wrinkle black that was good up to 350°. I'm looking for that wrinkle finish, so... Think I could get that using the low gloss engine paint, or should I try the wrinkle paint? In your experience what works best? My first time painting anything automotive so I'm as NOOB as it gets on this one and would like to avoid having to do it 2 or more times...Thanks |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by MotoBuddha on 12/14/11 at 07:43:49 I've had mixed results with wrinkle paint. A lot depends on air and metal temperature and how you apply it. Sometimes the wrinkles will be extreme, sometimes barely there, sometimes just right. So you might practice with it on something unimportant. On the other hand, I've always had perfect results with wrinkle powder coat. It's more trouble and costs more, but like I said, it's perfect. |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by built2last66 on 12/15/11 at 08:35:43 What if you could chrome your own stuff out with just a spray can? |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by AlphaBarney on 12/15/11 at 10:23:03 Harley owners would have a lot more money in the bank; but wouldn't have the arm strength left to ride after spending time polishing all the chrome you could ask for. |
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Title: Re: Flat black crankcase paint Post by houstonbofh on 12/24/11 at 20:24:20 First, Rustoleum can work. This is the definitive story for me. http://www.rickwrench.com/index79master.htm?http://www.rickwrench.com/50dollarpaint.html That said, you said your shoe burns to the case. How about a thermal barrier coating? http://www.polydyn.com/headers_and_exhaust.htm These guys are local to me, so it is a tad easier. That said, the coatings rock. I have some headers on an olde race car I did about 20 years ago. It has sat up for the last ten. They still look amazing with no rust! Just only coat the case, not the ribs, or overheating will be a problem. :) |
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