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Title: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by mpescatori on 12/05/11 at 06:02:46 Hi all, my Savage has been laid up at my "trusty old" mechanic for a long time now (so I'm either either driving or... riding another bike) and I've my mind set up to try transform the Savage into anything that either resembles a 1950s bile (either a Panhead such as the one below) http://www.hydra-glide.com/phpBB3/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=12&image_id=4577 http://www.hydra-glide.com/phpBB3/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=12&image_id=4578 or perhaps something from the 1930's, such as this magnificient Brough Superior Police http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011%5C06%5C19%5Cbikepics-2227132-800.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-opADMkIjwcQ/TfjdgRLT0oI/AAAAAAAABmM/C6cFvd2I_BI/s400/Brough-Superior-SS100-1938.jpg - http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-a74VaZ1OggQ/TfjXxdnIZrI/AAAAAAAABlA/FBhDz2FT_jg/s400/TE-George-Brough-21.jpg My aim is to create a replica of something you don't see everyday, definitely vintage, yet with all the reliability of a modern piece of machinery. My two "griefs" are the excessive cost of a springer front fork (even the cheapest cost $800 new, and almost as much to ship overseas and get out of Customs) and the availability of a front GOOD drum brake. I've been looking at enduro front forks (I need a 38mm fork) their drums are on the small size, but efficiency can't be any worse than the original disc brake... I've already started collecting bits&bobs here and there, starting with a 4gal. tank off a HD Dyna (twin counterscrew filler caps :)) but this will require a LOT of work to grind and weld and adapt to the standard frame. I plan to keep the original seat, although a sprung seat would definitely look the part. The front fender will be replaced with a chrome fender with the numberplate (as in the Brough pics) The rear fender will be replaced with a full length chrome fender which I intend to have come down low (Panhead style) with all the lights and trimmings (including a rear fog light) Handlebars... that's one problem... I'm looking at 1" bars and all I can find are either pullbacks or apehangers of different sizes... :-/ Instrumentation will definitely come OFF the tank and onto the bars, and I'll probably use the typical 3" items you can source off fleabay... ...although the Smiths replicas really look the part... http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2446/4013684861_44082569f5.jpg Now... what have I left out ? ::) I know ! Front tire ! The current 90/90x19 just doesn't look right. I was considering replacing it with something that would look more... vintage, such as a 3.50x18 or metric equivalent (100/90x18? or even 110/90x18) Where can I find a M/C tire comparison chart ? Any ideas ? :) |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by MotoBuddha on 12/05/11 at 07:04:06 Try here for your handlebars. Scroll down. http://www.sideroadcycles.com/AmericanMotorcycles/Handlebars/AmericanHandlebars.html |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by mpescatori on 12/05/11 at 07:17:05 Thanks Motobuddha :) I forgot to say, I'm also looking at a chain drive conversion. As I understand the standard belt drive ratio is 2.95:1 (let's round this off to 3:1). I was thinking of going 15/45 to maintain the standard ratio, and two extra sprockets to upgrade to 16/45 and 17/45, which would give respectively 2.8:1 and 2.65:1. A spring chani tensioner would ne part of the setup. 8-) |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by teabowl13 on 12/05/11 at 10:03:57 I LOVE your idea... I've been working (slowly...) on a more 1960's version of the same idea; complete with vintage tank as well and other stuff. I found a VERY inexpensive handle bar on Fleabay: the new Triumph Bonnevilles all come with 1" bars. They have a moderate rise, and moderate pullback. They are often called "Norman Hyde" bars. That's a good way to search for them. Here's a link to the ones I bought: http://www.ebay.com/itm/280754254996?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_694wt_921 I also struggled a lot with fenders. The front was pretty easy, but I realized that for my bike the best rear fender would be a larger chrome FRONT fender turned around the other way. We settled on one from a 1976 Goldwing. A little research on the internet revealed that that model of Goldwing used the same size tire on the front wheel as I plan to have on the rear (I'm using an 18" Akriont rim in the rear, so if you are sticking with the 15" stock rear wheel, the Goldwing might not work for you, and probably isn't the style you are loking for anyway. However, I'd bet that a lot of the Harley/Big Metric cruiser front fenders might work great on your small rear tire?) That Brough Police Bike you posted is Gorgeous! I can't wait to see what you come up with for this build... Cheers!! |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by MotoBuddha on 12/05/11 at 11:04:24 19282C2F223A217C7E4D0 wrote:
Oh, yeah, the stock 15" wheel would totally spoil the vintage look. |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by teabowl13 on 12/05/11 at 18:32:10 These guys are here in the US. I've never used them, just looked at their stuff on line, but the do make a springer front end that will fit the Savage: http://www.voodoovintage.com/moto.html Scroll down the page, it looks pretty sharp, but yes, it's pricey. You might get lucky finding something on Fleabay you could adapt, but even the used ones there seem like they are still that much or even more $$. I considered it briefly, but it was out of my league, and not the right look for my project... |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by PerrydaSavage on 12/06/11 at 00:23:36 A 'lil sump'in like this cool number from Germany? http://p1.bikepics.com/2011/12/06/bikepics-2312282-full.jpg |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by mpescatori on 12/06/11 at 02:18:49 Thanks, Teabowl, for the lin to Voodoo Vintage. I had found their website but omitted to boolmark it and feared it lost... until you pointed me in the right direction. :) 1E2B3C3C372A2F1D2F382F292B4E0 wrote:
Perry, you're very close to what I have in mind. Imagine the bike in your pic painted black (natch) no rear seat, a spinger form and a small drum brake... ...possibly with the wire wheels painted black as well. The rear wheel will have to stay, Italian laws are extremely strict on mods, just to give you an idea if I fit a different size tires and don't have them logged on my MC papers, the bike will get impounded and they will force me to make the bike original again... ...even the Sportster muffler is a no-no to some LEOs... :-[ So OK for the vintage look, but I'll have to pussyfoot my way into the mods. |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by arteacher on 12/06/11 at 05:57:22 I too would like a more vintage appearance. I don't want to make too many changes, though. I intend to remove the chromed engine caps, and am looking for a suitable front fender. I think the S40 is too small for a truly vintage look, unless you go to a different frame. |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by mpescatori on 12/06/11 at 07:10:16 Most of us are accustomed to "vintage" lloking like HD Knuckleheads, Indian Scouts or British V-twins of the era (see the Brough Superior, or the Vincent Black Shadow) However, the bikes that "made" the '30s and '40s were mostly 350-500 singles, such as the Triumph Tiger, or many Matchless, BSA of the times... not to metion Moto Guzzi, Benelli, Gilera, Mondial, or even French Motobecane, Motosacoche and Gilette. Without boring you or hogging server space with too many oversize pics, may I simply suggest: Gilera Saturno 1940 http://facileblog.it/files/12/files/2010/03/gilera_saturno.jpg MotoGuzzi Airone 250 (Police model) and/or Falcone Sport http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/uploadedImages/articles/issues/2009-07-01/MG-Falcone-1_resized400X266.jpg Nimbus 1934 http://facileblog.it/files/12/files/2010/11/Nimbus_750_1939.jpg 1939 Triumph Tiger T70 (250cc) http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/gallery/triumph/1939-triumph-t70-759x570.jpg Some of these designs may be a bit too radical (much too "1930 style") but that's where I would like to go... 8-) |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by teabowl13 on 12/06/11 at 22:21:01 Those are all AMAZING bikes... I'm especially fond of the Guzzi, but the are all very cool. Finally have the CONCEPT DRAWING for my "Vintage Roadster Savage" described here earlier... thought you might enjoy it. There are more photos of the early stages of the project on my BikePics page... (when I get more sleep, I'll be starting a build thread... I swear!) http://p1.bikepics.com/2011/12/07/bikepics-2312643-full.jpg |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by verslagen1 on 12/06/11 at 22:38:44 when you click on the link, this photo pops up in another tab, right click on it, either copy photo location in win7 or properties and copy the address, click on the image icon http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Templates/Forum/default/img.gif and paste the address in between the center brackets... this should do it for you. http://p1.bikepics.com/2011%5C12%5C06%5Cbikepics-2312630-full.jpg |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by verslagen1 on 12/06/11 at 22:43:32 might be easier to find a vintage roller and put the engine in it. frames often last a lot longer then the engines. |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by dasch on 12/07/11 at 04:01:42 I like this a lot, TeaBowl. Good luck with it. |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by mpescatori on 12/07/11 at 04:25:37 Hey, Teabowl, that's a VERY nice concept you've got there ! A few tips, if I may: - the OEM front fork is a bit flimsy, 38mm forks are OK but the front disc brake is not up to it IMHO; may I suggest to experiment with a front fork off a DR 650/750. You can drop the stems if required (i.e., clamp them to the triple tree with an inch or two showing off the top) - do NOT apply exhaust wrap to the pipe ! Head damage is most likely. The point is a lot of heat is diddipated off the exhaust gases from the first few inches of the exhaust pipe; if you heat wrap it, that heat will remain trapped; some will be blown out the back, resulting in hotter exhaust pipe and muffler, but most of it will remain trapped in the head and possibly warp it. Source: various Forums where they discuss MG, Triumph (car) and Jaguar tuning for vintage racing. ..and anyway... who wants an exhaust pipe that looks like an old sweater ? 8-) |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by McMillan on 12/07/11 at 04:45:50 This one is done very nicely. http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd348/FreeSpirit2/savage-extremde.jpg This one is nice also. http://www.knucklebusterinc.com/features/wp-content/2010/05/201005260745.jpg |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by teabowl13 on 12/07/11 at 12:06:22 This would definitely take some fabricating to work, but it's pretty sexy... And your front drum is included! http://www.ebay.com/itm/bsa-girder-front-end-/220907145151?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item336f1787bf#ht_500wt_1170 |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by mpescatori on 12/12/11 at 07:14:25 Thanks, nice tip :) On the other hand, can anybody provide the technical specs of the triple tree etc. ... ? In other words, which are the magic measurements I should watch out for, and what are the measumements exactly ? :-/ |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by Bobbert on 03/28/12 at 00:53:31 0F210F2B2E2E232C420 wrote:
for gods sake why does everyone keep the stock tank!? its the worst part of the bike off the floor! if you're going "vintage" get a two-part Fat Bob style tank that bolts to the sides of the frame. |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by WD on 03/29/12 at 15:24:15 Old HD dirt track race bike tanks will fit a lot more readily than fatbobs or a Sportster tank. So will Honda ATC (offroad trike) tanks from the early 1980s. Easiest way to swap the rear fender is a Jammer catalog sourced 7" sidemount headlight bracket. Bolt it to the frame "seat ears" on the underside of the frame. You can JUST shoehorn in a real fender. And keep your 15" rear tire, although relacing the rim to 16" or 18" would give you a thousand times better tire selection. Handlebars? Piece of cake, you can buy 1" Super Bike bars for around $40, they look a bit like old dirt track handlebars. Want something classier, buy a set of Knucklehead bend or beach bars. Can't get my pics site to work, have Super bike bars on my 63 Honda project, have a real fender on the back of my Savage. And a real fuel tank. Avatar pic is pre-total by my stepson... |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by Buster on 03/31/12 at 14:39:05 7759775356565B543A0 wrote:
My favorite, love the old classic look. This would be my personal second choice if/when I change the looks of mine, but I'll probably go with a Ryca kit. |
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Title: Re: 1930's Vintage Savage? Post by mpescatori on 04/02/12 at 08:04:58 Thanks all. I'll probably collect my bike Easter Tuesday (as in, day after Easter Monday), jobs done ? Nada >:( General service = Changed oil & filter, air filter (I hope...) and spark plug. I provided new tires and inner tubes. Replaced HD side rails as fitted by previous owner with OEM as sourced by SavageDML (Thanks, Darrel !!! :)) so now I can also have the bagger side rails. Rescheduled for next October: - 4 gal. Dyna tank conversion and custom paint job, - 26" superbike handlebars, - 2 1/2 " tacho and speedo conversion, - small fairing and front licence plate, - 6" K&N air filter (comes under right thigh) - dismiss pillion seat, relocate voltage regulator to former airbox, - CatEye Taillight with custom indicators and rear fog light (I'm told the US Highway code won't allow rear foglights? :o) A few things I will rethink: - Paint scheme: Matt black (as in, SOA)? Shiny black (as in, Prada fashion)? Matt beige (as in, Desert Storm or designer Alviero Martini?) Here are a few logos: To go with Matt Black: http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/c/0/0/3b/6/AAAADPurbGIAAAAAADtuCw.jpg?v=1237268368000 To go with Shiny Black: http://www.blitzquotidiano.it/wp/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Prada-1.jpg To go with Beige: http://nuke.orologilowcost.com/Portals/0/Mie%20immagini/Alviermo%20Martini%201%20classe%20%20logo.JPG http://www.topnegozi.it/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/alviero-martini-borse.jpg Nice side bags, too ! :D Incidentally, their keycharm http://www.lussuosissimo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/alviero-martini-charms2.jpg looks sooo much like the Alitalia logo from the 1950's... http://corporate.alitalia.it/it/Images/logo_Freccia-Alata_tcm6-28054.jpg |
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