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Message started by sologf on 11/09/11 at 11:18:13

Title: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by sologf on 11/09/11 at 11:18:13

Has anyone had this problem?. I was riding few weeks ago, made a left turn followed by a Stop sign. at the stop sign my engine cut off. all dead, no chocking and no jerking just cut OFF. starter did not work.
1- pulled to the side and turned key off.
2- switched gas tank to reserve, turn key to ON position and tried to start, all worked perfect.
At the time I had very little gas in tank and went to fill up tank immediately.
Today coming to work. I had the same incident four times. the only difference is that my tank is almost full.
Please help. this is my first year riding and my first motorcycle as well.

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by verslagen1 on 11/09/11 at 11:25:31

Typically a vacuum petcock problem.
Run with it in prime and if it goes away you've isolated the problem.
check serowbot's 'check your petcock' post in the tech section.

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by sologf on 11/09/11 at 11:40:51

Thanks for prompt response. I will ride back home with switch on Prime Position and read recommended posting.

One more question; Should I leave switch on Prime or switch to other position at the end of trip.

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by verslagen1 on 11/09/11 at 11:55:33

Return it to 'on' so the autooff will protect from gas dripping into your crankcase.

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by thumperclone on 11/09/11 at 13:19:55

sudden engine cut off happens to me when the heel of my boot hits the side stand...

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by MrBrownTX on 11/09/11 at 13:30:54

I have had to run my bike in prime early in the morning lately since it have been 30's and low 40's. I read on here that the plastic bits in the vac petcock are stiff in the cold and don't work as smoothly.

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by sologf on 11/09/11 at 17:15:24

Thank you all for your advise.
I am glad to report I arrived home safe with Petcock on Prime. Engine seems to run better. I am inclined to accept that my motorcycle needs Petcock work. Tomorrow will ride to work early in the morning with Percock in Prime. will let everyone know how it went.

On the same subject, Once at Gas station I put the kickstand down while engine was running and engine cut off. On this particular day I am sure did not touch the kickstand.

Dear Forum members;
I really appreciate all your support. I was shy to report my problem, now I know that I can count on you.

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by Arizuno on 11/09/11 at 20:12:08

Sologf, don't ever feel you need to avoid asking a question here. Try the search engine, for sure, but failing that you'll find the people here are the best. This forum is mandatory daily reading for many of us, and someone is sure to have the answer you seek. Welcome aboard!

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by lukeduck on 11/10/11 at 14:04:43

Some of the folk here know this bike inside and out. Maby better than the guys who designed it. You ask, they'll give you the link or an answer. All really good people, and smart (except me). Ride safe, far, and often.

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by Oldfeller on 11/12/11 at 06:57:20

If you haven't already done this test, try it to see what you are dealing with.

Test your Petcock,.. don't just turn it to Prime.. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1251932429/1)

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by sologf on 11/12/11 at 07:07:24

Could not ride to work on Thursday due to rain. On Friday i rode bicycle. Today (Saturday) I just came back from a 12 mile ride. Temperature was in the high 30s. rode in Prime and had no problems at all. I have gone through the material "verslagen1" suggested and ordered the petcock repair kit. it will arrive on the 17th.
My motorcycle is a Suzuki savage 2001 and just turned 2000 miles. I purchased last April with 937 miles. I am sure I will be going through lots of upkeeping maintenance during this winter.

Thank you again to all of you for your support.

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by Arizuno on 11/12/11 at 08:33:19

sologf, I had coffee with Serowbot earlier in the week & he was telling me about a guy who dropped more than $600 at a dealer who failed to resolve the problem, which was , of course, the petcock. lukeduck's earlier observations about knowledge are spot on - the people here are the BEST. And as I said elsewhere (see Mr. Raptor thread), the petcock swap is EASY.

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by Serowbot on 11/12/11 at 09:51:15

0E3D26353A21204F0 wrote:

sologf, I had coffee with Serowbot earlier in the week & he was telling me about a guy who dropped more than $600 at a dealer who failed to resolve the problem, which was , of course, the petcock.

Yup,... one of the fixer-upper bikes I bought, came with full documented history and receipts... (an 04' I think)
Included a ring job, among other things, at a cost $600... I'm certain that was done due to compression loss, caused by the petcock leaking and gas washing the cylinder... After spending that much, it still didn't run right, so it sat for 1 1/2 years before he finally sold it...

Cost me $900, plus a battery, plug, oil change, Versy adjuster, and Raptor, and a valve adjust... $1150 in + my labor, and sold for $1800...

The guy also had the original purchase invoice... $4299 + tax, license, prep, extended warranty, and financing... he paid $8400 total... INSANE!...

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by Boofer on 11/12/11 at 13:06:51

Slog, I bought my 2001 with 7400 miles on it. Had to fix head cap leak and timing chain adjuster at 17,300 miles. Put 400 miles on it since then. Rode 52 miles today just 'cause I could. Change the oil, keep air in the tires and ride it. Washing is optional. ;)

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by botoxotod on 04/05/13 at 20:40:15

I also have a 2001 S40 and I'm having the same problem! But I can't find the right petcock repair kit. Does anyone know of a compatible K&L kit? Help! :-[

3E2221222A2B4D0 wrote:

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by verslagen1 on 04/05/13 at 21:14:09

[quote author=78756E7562756E757E1A0 link=1320866293/0#14 date=1365219615]I also have a 2001 S40 and I'm having the same problem! But I can't find the right petcock repair kit. Does anyone know of a compatible K&L kit? Help! :-[/quote]
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1268804471/1

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by botoxotod on 04/05/13 at 21:17:25

You rule! Thank you so much! :D

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by jcstokes on 04/06/13 at 00:06:40

Serowbots petcock test is on page 4 of the tech section about 13 posts down. Txsizzlers post on changing the petcock to the raptor is on page 5 of the tech section about 6 posts down. If you buy a raptor, try and get one with a 5/16"outlet.

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by sologf on 04/09/13 at 09:23:21

I purchased part from Amazon. checked today it cost $23 with free shippin.

K&L Supply Fuel Petcock Repair Kit 18-4344

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by Oldfeller on 04/09/13 at 10:17:59

Yup, they answered your question, the question that you asked.

You now have spent $23 for a repair kit for a known inadequate designed vacuum petcock system that we know will fail again within xx years and xxxxx miles. We also know it will fail much sooner if you mod your bike's exhaust or intake tracts and change the vacuum characteristics of your bike.

Your question was asked inside a thread that recommended replacing the vac petcock with a failure free mechanical petcock for the same (or less) cost as the repair kit you just bought.

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Now, did you guys do well by this particular newbie?

You did answer what you were asked, and that is fine, but shouldn't somebody have mentioned the fact that when he replaces his muffler and air filter systems he's still going to have to buy himself a Raptor anyway?

Should we EVER be sending someone for a rebuild kit for a stock petcock without asking what plans they have for any future mods?

Last point, rebuild kit installation success rates are less than 100% -- the rebuild kits don't always fix the issues.

The Raptor does.

So, he'll post back with his results, we hope.

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by sologf on 04/09/13 at 11:46:20

Dear Oldfeller;
you are correct. i was answering question that I thought was posted for me since I received an email notification. i am new at this kind of chit chat.
Never crossed my mind consequences or future plans behind questions. will be more mindful in future. since you talked about Raptor, will that Raptor part/kit work better than the rebuild one I purchased?

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by Oldfeller on 04/09/13 at 15:05:51

Nope, this is your thread, you made your own choice to buy the rebuild kit after having been shown the Serobot test thread that recommends a Raptor replacement and explains why you should buy a raptor.

Twice no less you were shown. Go back and read your own thread from the beginning and follow the links your were provided.

The fact you never read them stands out fairly clearly.

Next, as a newbie you shouldn't be recommending anything to other newbies as you lack the experience to make a good recommendation.

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But that isn't the point, I wasn't busting your chops -- I was busting the chops of the experienced helper people who are standing by with their hands in their pockets when an newbie on newbie exchange like this happens right in front of them.

Sad, but you helper people are letting folks buy less than optimal rebuild kits because they don't know any better and are ASKING for a rebuild kit because that is all they know about.

JCStokes tried to steer him right, but you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think.

Title: Re: 2001 Suzuki Savage engine sudden cut off
Post by Bubba on 04/10/13 at 08:11:41

Raptor...On/Off/Reserve...all you need...price has doubled in the last few years from Ron Ayers!
http://www.ronayersmotorcycles.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=49509&category=ATVs&make=YAMAHA&year=2004&fveh=1215
#3 in the fiche...