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Title: Oil Change question Post by MrBrownTX on 10/29/11 at 12:41:07 So I have read through a plethera of posts about oil types and think I want to go with Shell Rotella 10W-40. I know I can get this oil at walmart or an auto parts store. Should this oil be ok for the "winter" in North Texas? Upper 30's - 40's F. The question I have is should I be able to get an oil filter at a place like Autozone/O'Rielys? I HATE the local motorcycle dealer and would like to avoid going there. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by Oldfeller on 10/29/11 at 13:04:02 Rotella is available in a dino oil (which is suitable for Texas year round). It is found at Walmart in the auto section where they keep diesel oils (not car oils). The gallon jug is white plastic and the name is Rotella T (triple protection). The weight is 15w40. Rotella is available in a synthetic oil (which is suitable anywhere in the lower 48 year round). Walmart has it sporatically in a gallon blue jug and the name is Rotella Synthetic. The weight is 5w40. Order your oil filters on line from any large bike parts place that sells EMCO brand oil filters. These are inexpensive good oil filters. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by MrBrownTX on 10/29/11 at 14:37:34 486B6361626B6B6275070 wrote:
Ok, Thanks. That's what I'll get. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/29/11 at 15:52:37 Wife went to get me some Mobil 1, 5/30. Stopped at a parts store,, $40.00!! Went to W-Mart,,$25.00. Pays to look around. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by built2last66 on 10/29/11 at 20:03:38 392620273A3D0C3C0C34262A61530 wrote:
You send your wife out to get your bike oil? |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/29/11 at 21:14:22 She was already out, in town with our daughter, & I was changing oil in my wifes car, when I realiozed I didnt have enough to fill it back up, only had 2 quarts.. Not drivin into town w/ 2 quarts in it.. & I sure wuldnt run Mobil 1 in the bike, Rotella T, 15/40 for me,,. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by Arizuno on 10/29/11 at 22:48:07 OF, thanks to your rec. I'm trying to find EMCO oil filters. Not much luck, but I am finding EMGO (with a "G") oil filters. Typo, or am I looking in all the wrong places? |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by Serowbot on 10/29/11 at 23:38:17 Hi Flo is another off brand... cheap, and identical to stock... I get them for $3 each at my local bike shop... Suzuki don't make oil filters,... they contract them out... Probably all the same... Some people buy dealer everything.... at triple the price... ... but really,... Showi shocks,.. Mikuni carb,... IRC tires,... is it Beldin brakes?... you really think they make oil filters?... Get real... ;D... Just like in Yankiedoodleland,... they assemble parts... they don't make them... |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by stinger on 10/30/11 at 03:44:39 I know our bikes turn high RPM.s being a single, but isn't a lot being made over nothing when it comes to the oil. I have used only 10-40 or 20-50 weight oil in the summer. I prefer using Castrol but many times I buy the $2 a qt stuff from Wal-Mart. Always auto oil. Most of my riding is at freeway speeds and at 48,000 miles I have had no engine or clutch problems or leaks and after a long ride the auto oil seems to hold up just fine. Some in here pay more for one qt of oil than I do in 3 oil changes. Clue me in please in why auto oil is not recommended. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/11 at 05:50:26 I use rOTELLA t in the bike, cuz I keep gallons & gallons of it around. The backhoe runs it, the pickup, lawnmower, & 4 wheeler all use that. The Matrix & Vibe require 5-30, so,since they get lotsa miles on them, they get the MObil 1. Im not gonna keep another load of oil around, even if I coul;d save a whole dollar a gallon., |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by Oldfeller on 10/30/11 at 06:27:55 Stinger, auto oil is fine if it contains no friction modifiers that will kill the Savage clutch. And if it does have the large levels of ZDDP our old style tappet valve system needs (which none of them car oils do any more). Too many newbies who try to use car oils get some "energy star" enhancer compounds in their clutch plates and get slippage problems accordingly. Trying to get newbies to read their car oil cans in detail looking for starburst symbols and additive names and stuff like that got too complicated, so folks found that the diesel oils as a group were 1) cheap and 2) did have the large amounts of stuff we needed as far as ZDDP and detergents and surfactants went and 3) did not have any of the bad friction modifier stuff that would kill our clutches. Rotella then went the extra mile and got their oils JASO motorcycle tested and approved (sez so right on the label, JASO MA) and Walmart carries it and if the newbies use that they dodge all the bullets that we know about and they get all the goodies to make their engines last a long time. White jug Rotella costs around $3 a quart when you punch it in your calculator. ;D Why in the world are you still opening all them little bitty quart bottles again? Buy the good stuff cheap in the big white jug and jest smile, you know you got some for next time you need it. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by Boofer on 10/30/11 at 18:12:56 6472657860757863170 wrote:
Hi Flo makes a good air filter, too. Less than half price at $15 and bolts right up. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by bill67 on 10/30/11 at 18:38:25 In the Suzuki manual it doesn't say anything about zzdp but it does say use motorcycle oil,Klotz went the extra mile 50 years ago.Really it started on that extra mile. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/11 at 18:51:05 The book may say nothing about ZDDP, but the engine likes it. Used to be common in oils, but cataclysmic perverters cant stand it, so, its only in diesel oil now. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by bill67 on 10/31/11 at 14:21:57 JOG tell me one thing how do you know the engine likes it. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by verslagen1 on 10/31/11 at 14:27:54 Independant lab reports bill something that klotz doesn't have. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/31/11 at 14:29:28 Because ZDDP was used in oil prior to cats being used on cars. Lubrication engineers put it in there to keep metal parts that rub under hard loads from galling on each other. Its added to the drive hub oil on Guzzis & is called for by the book in many of them. Diesels use it, because it is a good thing to have,, you keep your knots & spend you $$$ as you please. Ill use Rotella.. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by bill67 on 10/31/11 at 15:31:31 Its real surprising that all the motorcycle companies don't know about the zzz or is it 999 |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by Routy on 11/01/11 at 05:05:18 757E7B7B2120170 wrote:
If Sususki has scared you into using Motorcycle oil, which MC oil do you suppose most people would buy. Right on, Suzuski oil ! And suzuski doesn't make oil, but they make a ton of money off the suzuski oil that is nothing more than glorified car/diesel oil. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/01/11 at 07:44:21 66697368747261636B6572000 wrote:
If Sususki has scared you into using Motorcycle oil, which MC oil do you suppose most people would buy. Right on, Suzuski oil ! And suzuski doesn't make oil, but they make a ton of money off the suzuski oil that is nothing more than glorified car/diesel oil.[/quote] & the trumpets blare Dunt Dunt Duh Duh Duuuuuhhhh... |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by Oldfeller on 11/01/11 at 10:33:28 Bill, just so you will know (once again, no less) ZDDP is the extreme pressure additive that the Society for Automotive Engineers still rates as the very best most effective additive to keep metal to metal galling away in extreme conditions when engine oil films start to fail. Like on our flat rocker tappet followers .... The fact it kills car catalytic converters is a shame, because they haven't found anything to replace it yet that is nearly as effective. (our Savages don't have catalytic converters, so it is fine for us) Car oil companies have tried, but some of the things that do work (moly for example) will kill your wet clutch on your bike. Mobil 1 has moly in it now, BTW. So, car oils are a crapshoot right now, especially since they won't tell you exactly what's in it this month (Mobil 1 got slammed hard for that, unexpected formulation changes with no prior warning to the customer base). Rotella is watched like a hawk for not changing their formulation by a whole lot of truckers, drag racers, Gold Wing motorcyclists, etc. etc. They keep telling Shell LEAVE IT THE HECK ALONE and Shell by and large does just that. The fact that this one oil type (built for big diesels but meets all our needs exactly) is precisely what a Savage requires is just good luck on our part. Plus the fact you can buy it at Walmart dirt cheap in them big 'ol gallon jugs .... You have no idea what is inside your red Klotz koolade, but you don't put enough miles on your bike in a year to justify changing the oil so it really doesn't matter much to you. You can't even say if you even have ZDDP or any other named additive in your Klotz because Klotz is all "top secret" and won't tell you anything about it except it is magical and it is just about the most expensive oil you can buy (not locally, you got to mail order it). Bill, expensive does not always mean best -- but as always you will do what you want to do with your money. =============== Now for the icing on the cake, Rotella oils are JASO motorcycle rated as bike oils, right there on the label. Klutz got that on their label? Noooooooo .... they don't, do they? They'd have to expose what's in it and they won't do that. red #4 food coloring isn't recognized as a proper oil additive by the Society for Automotive Engineers ;D ;D ;D Rotella is arguably the best bike oil you can buy anywhere, it is not expensive, and it is readily available at Walmarts everywhere. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by MrBrownTX on 11/01/11 at 11:03:48 Well, got my oilchange taken care of this weekend. Went smoothly, with no leaks, and got the propper level added back in no problem. Shifting seems much smoother now with the clean oil. Thanks for the info. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by bill67 on 11/01/11 at 12:00:56 OF I don't want you crying in your beer,But Klotz does have JASO-MA on their label.IT must be for a motorcycle and It has been for over 50 years. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by Oldfeller on 11/01/11 at 12:15:03 Bill is remembering his two stroke Klotz (again) ..... :D Klotz hasn't even made a 4 stroke oil but 5-6 years now. Show us the bottle, Bill (prove it, in other words) Aaaaaaugh !! They want facts from me !!! Aaaaaaugh !! Nasty I can't find them facts !! |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by bill67 on 11/01/11 at 12:28:08 OF Bob your oil buddy has a breakdown on KLOTZ oil how did you miss it.And it was from 2009 and they have improved it, and Rod oil has less of your zppd in it than it did 2 years ago. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by Oldfeller on 11/01/11 at 12:39:47 Why are we talking about fishing rods? What is zppd ??? (yeah, I checked -- my fly is zipped) =============================== Facts, Bill got any? |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by bill67 on 11/01/11 at 15:14:32 OF You are one of those guys who lonely hear what you want to here. ::) |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by ralfyguy on 11/01/11 at 15:55:57 I can say, that I switched to Rotella T6 last year, and the bike has never run better, and never sounded better. The valve train almost sounds like it has hydraulic lifters, that's how quiet it is. Even when hot, the ticking is not much louder as when cold. Previously with Lucas and even Mobil1, it sounded fine when cold, and when hot like a Diesel. Before I switched, I checked the valves, and it was all within specs, still it got pretty noisy when hot. I switched to Rotella T6 and on the first ride I already could hear a difference. Over time the performance of the motor seems to have improved as well. I used to use Lucas 20W-50 in the hot Oklahoma summers, and Mobil1 10W-40 in winter. I now run T6 all year round. The oil consumption is still about two shot glasses worth at 1,000 miles. I will never use anything else again. I put 4,000 miles on it since I switched and checked the valves at the same time. It doesn't sound to me like I have to check them again any time soon. It runs better than ever and sounds just as good as it did 4,000 miles ago. I DO however change oil every 1,500 miles, because it's just my thing. It's not that expensive and not that much effort. I ride it hard, and the stuff gets dark quickly. It just makes me feel better about it. I never try to be a cheapskate with oil. To me it is just a bonus that it is inexpensive, because I buy T6 because it's good stuff. I would even use it if it were double the price. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by MrBrownTX on 11/01/11 at 16:00:43 I wanted to say that my motor seems to be significantly quieter but I wondered if it was just in my head. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by Routy on 11/02/11 at 06:01:10 5B445444594158424E360 wrote:
Every time I change brands my motor does get quieter. A couple more brands, and I'll have to grab the header pipe to know when to let off the starter/key ::) |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by bill67 on 11/02/11 at 06:16:08 Every time I ride my bike its quieter and smoother,I think its the oil getting broken in. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by spacepirates on 11/02/11 at 06:44:26 This thread is perfect. It started out as a pure and innocent question that was given a good, accurate, flat out, non-biased answer. then it was hi-jacked into an oil-war. perhaps we could make this thread even more interesting? soda or pop? coke or pepsi? controversial choice #1 or controversial choice #2? to-MAY-to or to-MAH-to? I'm beginning to wonder if Bill even rides anymore. how about photographic evidence of your odometer going up 4.3 miles each year? that "quieter and smoother" you feel, Bill, is probably you just going deaf and numb. |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by EJID on 11/02/11 at 06:56:45 5F5C4D4F495C455E4D58495F2C0 wrote:
That is exactly what I thought when I read his last comment :D |
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Title: Re: Oil Change question Post by engineer on 11/04/11 at 17:44:01 Oldfeller, I want you to know that you convinced me. My local farm store had a Rotella sale this week and on Senior's Discount Thursday (10%) I bought one of those big white jugs and changed my oil. I also went through all the quart bottles of auto oil in my garage and barn (don't know why I have so many) and noticed that about half of them had the energy saver designation in the circled section that displays the API rating. Motor oil is changing at an accelerating pace and people who have motorcycles or run any vintage engines need to read those labels carefully and keep current. To the guy who asked why the manual didn't say anything about the additives it's because the manuals don't keep pace with the changes in the oil. It's nearly impossible for Suzuki to keep current with all the different oils that are marketed in the world and that is likely part of their logic in offering an oil themselves. |
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