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Message started by mojo on 10/19/11 at 21:27:49

Title: 4_Speed_Trans
Post by mojo on 10/19/11 at 21:27:49

Saw a 2003 Savage advertised with a 4-speed gearbox. What year did Suzuki go from 4 to 5 speed? Should a person avoid buying one with a 4-speed?

http://www.cycleclassifieds.us/c/1277/Suzuki/3.html

Title: Re: 4_Speed_Trans
Post by verslagen1 on 10/19/11 at 21:30:46

means the engine was replaced with an older model.

'95 was the 1st 5speed

only 1 issue that I know of, starter kickback. but that's a problem solved. just install a stator cover and anti kickback gear from a late model.

biggest issue in my mind you'll never know the true miles on the engine.

looked at ad... most likely mislabeled, it has a late model jug and head.

Title: Re: 4_Speed_Trans
Post by mojo on 10/19/11 at 21:32:25

tks vers

Title: Re: 4_Speed_Trans
Post by verslagen1 on 10/19/11 at 21:33:56

see update

Title: Re: 4_Speed_Trans
Post by verslagen1 on 10/19/11 at 21:35:26

ask what the serial number is on the engine case, then you'll know for sure.

Title: Re: 4_Speed_Trans
Post by sillydilly on 10/20/11 at 11:05:48

I get lots of problems with starter kickback on my 4spd

Title: Re: 4_Speed_Trans
Post by drums1 on 10/20/11 at 11:31:05

I have never noticed any starter kickback on my '87. Unless it's doing it and I just am not realizing it. What does it sound like and when does it do it?

Title: Re: 4_Speed_Trans
Post by SurfJunkie on 10/20/11 at 11:38:14

Sounds like a nice metal "TWANG" during shutdown.

I for one friggin hate my 4 speed. Trying to determine if its worth it for me to split the cases and swap to a 5, or maybe purchase a used good condition 5 speed motor and swap it....

Whats the going rate of a good running condition 5 speed motor ?

Title: Re: 4_Speed_Trans
Post by verslagen1 on 10/20/11 at 12:03:46

Unless someones installed the anti kick back gear for you, shouldn't sound like anything. But it could sound worse... CRACK!

5spd should be doing the twang.

Title: Re: 4_Speed_Trans
Post by drums1 on 10/20/11 at 12:18:54

Hmmm mine makes lots of funny noises on startup, while running and on shutdown. Always has, so I never thought twice about it. Since the rock incedent, I'm just gonna ride it 'till it explodes. Then, I'll know for sure that I need a new motor.

:o

Title: Re: 4_Speed_Trans
Post by RidgeRunner13 on 10/20/11 at 12:57:47

I bought an '87 back in '88, I've had a 2000 & still have a 2001. IMO, the 4 speed has a better gear spread. The 5 speeds actually have a slightly lower high gear. The extra gear was more of a sales tool than an improvement. :o

From my SSM, purchased 12/95.

87-88:

Primary reduction ratio - 1.888 (68/36)
Final reduction ratio- 2.956 (68/23)
1st. - 2.214 (31/34)
2nd.- 1.500 (27/18)
3rd.- 1.095 (23/21)
4th.- 0.875 (21/24)

95-? Don't think it's changed but that's as far as my manual goes.

Primary reduction gear -1.810 (67/37)
Final reduction ratio- 2.956 (68/23)
1st. - 2.333 (35/15)
2nd.- 1.578 (30/19)
3rd- 1.142 (24/21)
4th.- 0.956 (22/23)
5th.- 0.884 (23/26)

I just don't think it's worth it...the motor has enough torque it doesn't need it. With better jetting & a higher final ratio, in stock form the old Savages were faster on top end. :o