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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> front end changes to match new rear shocks /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1318185199 Message started by kuri77 on 10/09/11 at 11:33:19 |
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Title: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by kuri77 on 10/09/11 at 11:33:19 Thinking about going to Prog Susp 412-4232C 11 inch shocks as mentioned in thread from 2006. No one mentioned changing front end to match up with half inch longer shocks. Maybe too small a change to need any up front but the original geometry would not be the same. Some in the original thread mentioned going up as high as 12.5 which necessitated kickstand change and belt cover removal. Adding 2 inches to the rear would mandate front end changes I imagine otherwise handling would be compromised. Any comments either way? |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/09/11 at 11:45:25 No need to mess with the front end,, |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by verslagen1 on 10/09/11 at 11:49:33 The ryca folks are raising the rear and lowering the front end for quicker response. raising the rear 1" will give you a little quicker response, but I doubt that you'll be able to feel it. vs. raising the front end will affect your pocket book greatly. |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by Serowbot on 10/09/11 at 12:11:24 Raising the rear, and not doing anything to the front.. is actually a slight improvement in handing... Gives you a little less chopper/rake,.. and puts a little more of the weight distribution to the light front end... both good... The difference is small, and hardly noticeable, but if anything, positive... Mostly, you are getting a more comfortable ride, and better rear end traction on rough surface roads... ;)... I did recently add about 1/4" spacer to the front fork springs,... it very subtly firmed the forks. reducing some dive, and making minute squirlys in the road less noticeable... It was booger to squish the springs back down the tube by myself though... easier if you had two people... |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by bill67 on 10/09/11 at 14:51:07 I cut down my stock spacers 3/8 inch in my forks to get a smoother ride.I have the prog 11 inches shocks no problem with the different length.I weight 150#. |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by kuri77 on 10/10/11 at 16:16:01 Thanks for the replies. It appears that Bill67 and Serowbot did opposite things to get a similar improvement, if "smoother" and "firmer" are synonymous. Do both of you have stock front ends? Anyone with any Progressive Suspension progressive springs in the front? |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by MotoBuddha on 10/10/11 at 16:29:40 I doubt smoother and firmer mean the same thing. Smoother usually means softer. |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by bill67 on 10/10/11 at 16:39:15 7866617A2424130 wrote:
Front is stock Progressive don't show any fork springs for the S40,I have progressive fork spring in my Suzuki 1500 and they are better and smoother ride. |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by Serowbot on 10/10/11 at 16:54:08 13312A311C2B3A3A363F5E0 wrote:
Yes,.. we did opposite things for opposite results... I think the stock front is way too squishy... I also think, that's why Bill likes his Tkat so much... his forks are so squishy that they'll wobble running over french fry... ;D... |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by kuri77 on 10/10/11 at 17:12:55 Thanks for the replies and straightening that out also for the bummer info that PS doesn't make springs for us. |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by bill67 on 10/10/11 at 17:45:15 7E687F627A6F62790D0 wrote:
Yes,.. we did opposite things for opposite results... I think the stock front is way too squishy... I also think, that's why Bill likes his Tkat so much... his forks are so squishy that they'll wobble running over french fry... ;D... [/quote] If you think your front fork is to squishy then you should put heavier fork oil in.It would slow down the action. |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by LANCER on 10/11/11 at 10:57:53 Ryca Motors had Progressive springs made for the forks Check their website/store; I think they are there. |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by bill67 on 10/11/11 at 12:32:33 Are Ryca motors forks the stock length. I looked it up their forks are 2 inches shorter,The spring says in firms up the ride,It still might work because you can use different pre loads.Normal the spring wouldn't be firmer but wouldn't bottom out either,$80 for the springs and pre loads.Not a bad price. |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by kuri77 on 10/11/11 at 15:28:02 Just talked to Ryca. He said won't work unless you are lowering the bike. He did say that unlike the web page which says "UPGRADES (sold with kit only) Progressive front fork springs $75 Front fork springs from Progressive Suspension® for a firmer ride." they do sell the springs separately. Talked to Progressive Suspension and they make special ones for Ryca but have no stock ones for us. He said they'd put it in their "maybe to do list". |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by Serowbot on 10/11/11 at 16:06:15 If I remember correctly,.. aren't the stock ones progressively wound?... Not "Progressive" brand... Pic from lowering post in tech sec... looks progressive... http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w264/punkskalar/LS650%20Savage%20Forks/100_5488.jpg |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by bill67 on 10/11/11 at 16:35:55 All stock springs are progressively would,But its better metal from progressive company. |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by verslagen1 on 10/11/11 at 18:05:24 I have a pair loose. about 16" long 1.25 OD 0.153 wire dia. 28 coils including 8 coils progressively wound Here's 2 sets of specs from the progressive spring catalog. this should be your bracket on the spring rate. the harley will be very stiff and intruder should be about the same as ours. Harley 1985-1987 Suzuki VS700 Intruder Order No. 11-1131 11-1128 Free Length - In. 15.75 19.75 Free Length - MM 400 502 O.D. - In. 1.26 1.14 O.D. - MM. 32 29 Rates lbs/in 50/80 30/45 Rates kg/mm .89/1.42 .54/.80 Spacer 5.00 10.00 |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by bill67 on 10/11/11 at 18:12:13 Last winter I order a fork spring for my S40,It said for an S40 paid around $80 got the springs and it was to big in OD wouldn't go in.I don't remember where I found it. |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by bill67 on 10/11/11 at 18:15:13 Back in the 1970's they didn't use a spacer the spring were the full length. |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by verslagen1 on 10/11/11 at 18:37:01 back in the 70's the savage was a 250 and had knobbies. |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by arteacher on 10/12/11 at 05:11:03 6C72756E3030070 wrote:
Why couldn't you just put in longer spacers with the Ryca springs? |
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Title: Re: front end changes to match new rear shocks Post by bill67 on 10/12/11 at 06:14:02 283B2C2D323F393B306F5E0 wrote:
I'm talking about all 1970 motorcycles not the savage at all. |
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