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Title: Declared Sea Foam War (hip waders needed) Post by weracerc on 09/28/11 at 05:48:01 Just So You know - i came home Monday to find my step son mowing the grass (push mower small yard) - the mower was sputtering noticeably - i motion for him to stop - he cut it off - i poured in a few oz's of Sea Foam in roughly 3/4 tank of gas - he re-cranked it and the freakin sputtering was gone - he said "darn! what is that stuff?!".......Sea Foam believe in it or not, I do. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by lukeduck on 09/28/11 at 07:23:55 Ahhhh=Sea Foam-Couldn't live without it. Beer, motorcycles, and Sea Foam-Proof God wants us to be happy. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by John_D FSO on 09/28/11 at 21:04:12 Maybe a little SeaFoam in the beer would fix a different kinda... sputtering... :-? |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 09/29/11 at 07:08:11 If you use Seafoam AND Marvel Mystery Oil, seems like there would be three possible outcomes,... -- 1. They would cancel each other out (one step forward, one step back) -- 2. They would be synergistic (the whole is greater than the sum of its parts) -- 3. They would make things worse (rubbing salt in the wound) Which might it be? |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Arnold on 09/29/11 at 08:43:51 has anyone put seafoam in the oil and ran that way for a while? |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by LostArtist on 09/29/11 at 08:52:49 5D485350505948594E3C0 wrote:
in my car I did, put it in and ran it for 2000 or so miles with it in the oil. I highly doubt that it caused my air intake tube thing to crack or my rear break shoes to be worn out, but, would it have done anything to make my shifter bushings loose?? my car is old, so when it comes to things like sea foam and what not, I'm just like, why not, and sometimes I'm like, why bother. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Arnold on 09/29/11 at 09:09:03 Yea, I use it in the gas but in oil I'm always wondering if it would clean anything up or screw things up. I mean it's close to the gas viscosity but way thinner than oil. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by verslagen1 on 09/29/11 at 09:26:26 As long as you keep the percentage low (~5%) shouldn't have any impact. Typically, there's a percentage of gas in the oil all the time. But if your intent is to clean the internals of your engine, a couple of quick changes with Rotella T (dino 10w40 m/c & diesel rated oil) will clean it out toot sweet. ;D |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Arnold on 09/29/11 at 09:41:46 Yea, I didnt expect in would make a difference in the oil but I still like to think it works in gas. Sorry, hope the thread does not turn into oil war again... |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by built2last66 on 09/29/11 at 11:01:32 So is Seafoam in your Savage's oil/crank case a good idea? I was thinking about trying this on my next oil change.. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by verslagen1 on 09/29/11 at 12:45:11 34233F3A22643A3725226060560 wrote:
Let's see... $8 a pint for seafoam... maybe 1 oz/qt, so $1 a serving. Add to that the cost of your favourite oil... Rot-T $12 a gal. So $7 for a internal engine clean that Rot-T will do anyway? Naw, not unless you got an issue to clean up such as a new2u bike that's been sitting along time. Or you put in energy saver oil that you need to clean out. BTW, I'd only do it for a quick clean and run for an hour, then change. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 09/29/11 at 13:25:42 Seafoam is just a solvent, about 50% light hydrocarbon oil (pale oil), 30% petroleum naphtha, (charcoal starter fluid/mineral spirits, whatever you want to call it), 10% isopropyl alcohol, and 10% water. With the exception of the alcohol (added to keep the water in an emulsified suspension), the components are the mid- to upper-tier byproducts of hydro cracking useful petroleum products from crude oil. Those that are usually hardest to separate (normally done through a centrifuge) are simply sold as a mixture with some alcohol added to keep it volatile and emulsified. IOW, Seafoam is refinery waste. So, when you put it in the gas, it tends to dissolve dissolvable deposits. So do lots of other solvents. I'd be worried about putting it in crankcase oil. I don't know what it would do inside the engine. If you must dump some in the crankcase, -- use it like several other products marketed to clean up the insides of your engine just before an oil change -- dump it in with the engine warm, and run it at a fast idle for a few minutes, then drain it all out right away, and hope you didn't hurt anything |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 09/29/11 at 14:09:57 Theres no problem with running Sea Foam in the oil to clean it up.And you need to run it for a least a few day or weeks or a month. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 09/30/11 at 06:09:26 2E2520207A7B4C0 wrote:
Not me. I'd never put any strong solvents in the crankcase for more than a few minutes. Berryman's chemtool, Seafoam, Amsoil engine flush, Auto-rx, or any other solvent destroys all kinds of lubricating characteristics of the oil. You are being naive if you think it will dissolve built up muck inside the engine and still lubricate normally. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 09/30/11 at 07:55:05 I'm sorry Sea Foam didn't work out for you Gyro. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Boule’tard on 09/30/11 at 08:15:09 7648435E535E53310 wrote:
Have any studies shown that putting solvents in your oil reduces engine life? Just trolling ya. I know it's a bad idea to leave that stuff in there for extended periods. Oil has detergent in it anyway. You don't need seafoam in your oil unless you've been seriously derelict on oil changes and now have a 1/2" sludge cake in there. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 09/30/11 at 08:27:48 If a engine sits for 6 months in the winter does it get 1/2 of sludge in it.No but it can have a sticky valves and rings,Thats were Sea Foam comes in to play. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 09/30/11 at 08:39:16 2D203A232A3B2E3D2B4F0 wrote:
Have any studies shown that putting solvents in your oil reduces engine life? Just trolling ya. I know it's a bad idea to leave that stuff in there for extended periods. Oil has detergent in it anyway. You don't need seafoam in your oil unless you've been seriously derelict on oil changes and now have a 1/2" sludge cake in there. [/quote] Studies have shown,..... ;) I don't know if anyone has a study devoted specifically to seafoam in the oil vs longevity,.. but,... Most folks here are pretty picky about the proper weight of oil used in their precious machinery. I wonder if the seafoamisti realize when they put a pint of seafoam in the crankcase, the oil is now 5w-20 instead of 10w-40? |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 09/30/11 at 08:50:10 Who said a pint. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Boule’tard on 09/30/11 at 09:09:23 Of course Seafoam drops your viscosity, how else is it supposed to get behind your rings and valve guides to unstick them? Bah. The amount of running, heat and circulation that would get seafoam in those places ought to be enough to get plain old oil/detergent in the same places and free up anything that might be stuck. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 09/30/11 at 09:38:13 424F554C4554415244200 wrote:
I agree. The formulation of the base stock and additives package is put together by guys who know way more about this than seafoamisti. We buy high-quality detergent oil, change it on schedule, and then relax in the comfort of knowing we don't need to fiddle around with witches' brews of solvents. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 09/30/11 at 09:40:47 Boule you just said Sea Foam lowers your viscosity the only way it will get behind the rings and valves,then I guess by the way you talk you would have to use 5w 30 oil so it would have a lower viscosity to get behind the rings and valves. ::) |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 09/30/11 at 09:50:41 5B5055550F0E390 wrote:
I did. So use less. If you only put in a tablespoon, you won't get much seafoam effect, eh? But you might change the viscosity a lot, depending what it does to the additives that control the viscosity. The point is you are not a chemical engineer. Neither am I. I do know enough, though, that you can have all kinds of unpleasant things happen when you go screwing around with complex issues you don't understand. I trust the engineers who created the oil more than I do the snake-oil salesmen that are trying to con folks into buying their "products." If seafoam would improve their oil, the chemical engineers would put it in their oil to start with. Oh,... Wait,.... They already DO have a strong detergent package in the oil,.. Sorry, I forgot. I guess we don't ever have to worry about using any extra detergents in the crankcase. ::) |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 09/30/11 at 09:52:19 5F5451510B0A3D0 wrote:
If you put seafoam in 5w-30, you'd have something like 0w-20. It'd be like water once it warmed up. You stay away from my engine!! |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 09/30/11 at 09:53:18 Like I said before Gyro I'm sorry Sea Foam didn't work out for you. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 09/30/11 at 09:57:53 744A415C515C51330 wrote:
If you put seafoam in 5w-30, you'd have something like 0w-20. It'd be like water once it warmed up. You stay away from my engine!![/quote] Gyro you need to read and understand a post before you reply,Then before you reply read your reply over a couple times so you understand it. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 09/30/11 at 10:24:36 4C47424218192E0 wrote:
If you put seafoam in 5w-30, you'd have something like 0w-20. It'd be like water once it warmed up. You stay away from my engine!![/quote] Gyro you need to read and understand a post before you reply,Then before you reply read your reply over a couple times so you understand it.[/quote] I understand my replies perfectly. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by weracerc on 09/30/11 at 10:47:41 Just So You Know! SEA FOAM - a few oz's added to 3/4 tank of gas made my lawn mower quit sputtering, instantly! Sea Foam believe in it or not - I do! I used Valvoline 4T10-40 switched to Castrol 4T10-40 - noticeably smoother shifting. No Sea Foam added. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Arnold on 09/30/11 at 10:48:49 Always a fight whenever you mention either oil or seafoam. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Boule’tard on 09/30/11 at 10:57:50 Ya know what, I have a new theory. Little scrubby-dudes. :D "We scrub behind your piston rings and valve guides, so you don't have tooooooooooo..." ...to wait 5 seconds for your oil detergent to do the same thing, that is. http://i51.tinypic.com/vie0qv.jpg |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by built2last66 on 10/01/11 at 03:28:48 Ok let me derail this for a second.. WHAT EXACTLY IS THE BEST OIL TO USE FOR A SAVAGE? And I don't mean run it for an hour, I mean run it till the next oil change.. I've been using Suzukis 4 cycle stuff according to outside weather temperature.. but is there something better I could be using? I'm probably gonna change my oil today make haste with a response guru's :D |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Boule’tard on 10/01/11 at 06:11:44 What I want is an oil you don't have to run to the next oil change, that would be something! :D Coincidentally I am changing oil in my DR today as well. Wasting my money on that overpriced Amsoil, and I'll be changing out the filter after only ONE oil change by god.. cleaning the ring schmagnet AND schmagnetized drain plug. Then for good measure I'll pour some seafoam into my non-leaking plastic tank and run it through the Raptor petcock and non-paper fuel filter. Should be a good time. :D |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by arteacher on 10/01/11 at 06:25:10 55425E5B43055B5644430101370 wrote:
Ohhhhhhhh Noooooooo here we Gooooooooo ::) |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by arteacher on 10/01/11 at 06:29:28 To get the thread sort of back on track I bought Seafoam Carb cleaner and lube when I had my spider problem, and flushed out the carb with it. A few days later I noticed the carb looked wet on the side and my first thought was it was leaking gas, but it was the lube part of the cleaner. Looks like a thin film of oil. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/01/11 at 07:47:18 6A7D61647C3A64697B7C3E3E080 wrote:
It is incredible how much of a dust up this kind of question can generate. That said, your options are many. There are only a few factors that matter much. -- Use the correct weight. The manual specifies 10w-40 in general, but, depending on temp, allows 10w-30 thru 20w-50. I have discussed this with a few chemical engineers (motor oil guys) and some aero professors who say this is a factor, but not a huge one. -- Any brand-name high-quality oil will do, but make sure it is not kind with friction modifiers in it. The clutch might start slipping. Don't use anything that has statements about "energy conserving" or "friction modifiers" or "gas saving" on it. The lighter weight multi-grade oils will more likely have these kinds of statements. Curiously, diesel oils have formulations that come pretty close to what we need in an air-cooled motor with the trans and the engine sharing the same oil. Warning warning warning (opinion to follow),... I like Shell Rotella 10w-40 synthetic. It's cheap (Wal-mart) and works as well as any expensive labeled-for-motorcycle oil. Here's an interesting article: http://vfrworld.com/tex_vfr/tech/oil.htm |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 10/01/11 at 08:04:32 Cheap you get what you pay for,why for less than $20 a year would you use cheap oil in a motorcycle,I use the best oil and highest price oil for my car. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by built2last66 on 10/01/11 at 09:44:19 Ok so I wanna try the Seafoam in my oil trick... should I throw some (the correct ratio) into the oil that's about to be changed, drive out to get some food, then come back and change to the new oil or just add it to the new oil and leave it in there till the next change? And I'm just gonna stick with the Suzuki brand 4 cycle 10w-40 oil for now... heh... I drive my bike 80% of the time when I go somewhere. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Serowbot on 10/01/11 at 10:18:28 I'd throw some in the grass, near the bike, and let the fumes be absmorphitized into the engine... Probably the safest method... ;)... (Last time I had my engine apart, at 25k miles,... it was spotless inside, and I never put anything in there, but clean oil every 2.5k).... I used 10w-40 Valvoline car oil for the first 16k miles,... no problem... ... then switched to Shell Rotella (dino) when my stockpile ran out... |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 10/01/11 at 10:28:00 697E62677F39676A787F3D3D0B0 wrote:
Put the Sea Foam and ride it and change the oil like you were going to. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by built2last66 on 10/01/11 at 11:20:36 I put the Seafoam in the oil and gas tank and rode it a good 20 minutes, that stuff actually seems to do something... oil change here in about 15 minutes once the engine cools a bit. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by built2last66 on 10/01/11 at 11:23:42 7066716C74616C77030 wrote:
You change every 2.5k? I've been going every 2k, even though the manual says 1.5k.. and I buy the K&N oil filters when they're on sale for around $6. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/01/11 at 11:33:17 4E4540401A1B2C0 wrote:
Usually you get what you pay for. On the other hand, you can find identical products in different stores for different prices. Once you've settled on a product, there's no point in paying more than the least for it. Rotella Synthetic is pretty much the same formulation as motorcycle oil. There are no brands better than Shell. No point in paying 5 times as much for the same product. But,... if it makes you happy to spend as much for a quart as I do for a gallon of the same stuff, please,... spend spend spend. Your happiness is all that matters, eh? |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/01/11 at 11:34:41 4255494C54124C4153541616200 wrote:
If you like 10w-40 oil, why would you run it on 5w-20? |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/01/11 at 11:36:46 293F28352D38352E5A0 wrote:
I've had the same experience. Several times I have had motors apart, motorcycle, auto, and aircraft. They were all as you said,.. spotless. No amount of additional detergent would have made any diff. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/01/11 at 11:37:23 7D6A76736B2D737E6C6B29291F0 wrote:
What did it do? |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Serowbot on 10/01/11 at 11:41:09 69575C414C414C2E0 wrote:
What did it do?[/quote] Smoke... ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/01/11 at 11:41:16 5C4B57524A0C525F4D4A08083E0 wrote:
You change every 2.5k? I've been going every 2k, even though the manual says 1.5k.. and I buy the K&N oil filters when they're on sale for around $6.[/quote] The chemical engineers (oil guys) I have chatted with change their auto oil every 10k or 15k miles. They say that if you let your oil get up to full temp and hold it there for 10 min or so (maybe a 20-30 min ride), you boil off any moisture from starting up a cold engine, and you pretty much keep any sludge from forming. The oil lasts way past the manufacturer's schedule. One of them said he changes his wife's oil every 2k, though, because she only drives her car 5 mi to and from work. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by built2last66 on 10/01/11 at 11:43:21 It was idling better, like the can says! The stuff really works!!!! |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by built2last66 on 10/01/11 at 11:45:00 Don't be jealous that I idle like a rock star at stoplights... |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/01/11 at 11:45:32 65726E6B73356B6674733131070 wrote:
I'll bet you like schmagnets too, eh? |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by built2last66 on 10/01/11 at 11:47:54 When you see me sitting at a stoplight you think to yourself "That boy sure can idle" |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Serowbot on 10/01/11 at 11:51:27 I start tellin' myself to change my oil at 2k... ...then it's takes me about 500 miles to get around to it... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by built2last66 on 10/01/11 at 11:55:27 I think I'm gonna extend it to 2.5k myself cause the K&N oil filter is so smack dabbity good, but I'm sitting at 7,771 right now with this Seafoam crap in the crank case... so I guess I'll run it till the new oil change at 10.5k after today.. :D |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 10/01/11 at 11:56:54 2E392520387E202D3F387A7A4C0 wrote:
The ones that say it does nothing have never tried it. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/01/11 at 12:01:19 2D26232379784F0 wrote:
The ones that say it does nothing have never tried it.[/quote] Oh, it'll do something. It'll do whatever is typical of running an engine designed for 10w-40 on 5w-20. Probably, if you don't let it go too long, the engine will appear undamaged. I don't have to try running my machinery on oil that's way too thin to know I don't want to do it. I'll let YOU go to the school of hard knocks. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 10/01/11 at 12:09:01 I'm 72 years old I've been to the school of hard knocks and back quiet a few times,One reason i never go cheap on oil. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/01/11 at 12:13:08 505B5E5E0405320 wrote:
Sounds like you are a few credits short of a diploma. ;) |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by built2last66 on 10/01/11 at 12:40:12 No seriously, when I added it to my gas AND oil (right before changing) and drove for 20 mins it really did get a smooth idle sound and everything felt really smooth... I'm in the process of putting in my winter oil now so hopefully everything stays smooth like it was for that 20 min ride :D And no, it wasn't just in my head.. :P But I'm not taking sides, I'm gonna add some before every oil change from now on... break out the math and chemicals and all that stuff. :) |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by rl153 on 10/01/11 at 13:09:02 I put it in my oil, 3.5 oz, ran it a couple of days before the oil change, and in the gas tank 1 oz per gallon, every couple months, and the bike is running good. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by built2last66 on 10/01/11 at 13:15:02 5A53405F585307040F0F360 wrote:
see, works! |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/01/11 at 14:29:58 7A6D71746C2A74796B6C2E2E180 wrote:
see, works![/quote] It just goes to show you how tough the LS650/S40 engine is. It'd probably run okay for a while with WD-40 for oil. I had an Uncle who smoked a pack a day for his whole life. He was alive up until the day he died. Certainly doesn't prove that smoking is good. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 10/01/11 at 14:55:02 He was alive til the day he died,That was some uncle you had there. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Serowbot on 10/01/11 at 14:55:11 The theory with Seafoam, and other fuel treatments, is,.. that they will clean passages and pathways, resulting in a better running engine... If this does work,.. it should be a gradual improvement over a few gallons of riding, not instantaneous... Instantaneous, results, would imply that the engine is burning this product like an accelerant... not the implied function of Seafoam at all... ????.... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by built2last66 on 10/01/11 at 14:59:48 4F4441411B1A2D0 wrote:
;D :D |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/02/11 at 05:42:23 6E6560603A3B0C0 wrote:
Congrats for getting the point,... I think? sometimes it is hard to gauge how subtle one can be around here |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/02/11 at 05:43:56 382E39243C29243F4B0 wrote:
Multiple dittos. Sorta suggests a little "mechanical" Hawthorne effect, eh? |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 10/02/11 at 05:51:13 526C677A777A77150 wrote:
Multiple dittos. Sorta suggests a little "mechanical" Hawthorne effect, eh? [/quote] I would call that wishful thinking. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/02/11 at 06:01:22 505B5E5E0405320 wrote:
I would call that wishful thinking.[/quote] How so? |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by built2last66 on 10/02/11 at 06:25:40 2B3D2A372F3A372C580 wrote:
To instantly clean metal you don't have to burn it necessarily... aren't some of those chemicals in Seafoam dis-solvents? Now that I've heard the good idle (from Seafoam in the crankcase) I kinda want to put some more in.. but I'm afraid of long term damage or changing the grade of the lower temp oil... |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Boule’tard on 10/02/11 at 06:53:34 I would not make a habit of running seafoam in your oil. You put seafoam in both the gas and the crankcase, and now have a smoother idle. From that you concluded that it was the seafoam in the crankcase that did it? It was probably the seafoam in the fuel that dislodged a small bit of crud in your idle jet. Or like Gyrobob said, just an effect of the thinner oil. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by built2last66 on 10/02/11 at 07:02:00 5558425B5243564553370 wrote:
No I've run Seafoam in the gas before, it didn't do much. When it was in the oil though it magically started purring, but I also added some to the gas just for the hell of it... so maybe it was a combo knock out? I'm just playing around with Seafoam out of boredom really, I hope to one day have a garage where I can tear my engine down and clean it all by hand :D |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Boule’tard on 10/02/11 at 07:12:25 I bet running 5w20 would do the same thing. If the seafoam really flushed out an oil passage (or cleaned or altered something in the engine to give you a better idle) then that benefit should remain after you change the oil and restore the viscosity back to normal. If the idle goes back to the way it was before, then you know the smoothing was just due to the oil being thinned out. Even if thin oil gives you a better idle, you don't want to be running the wrong viscosity over the long term. Even in the short term, the smooth idle probably would come at the expense of more valve clatter once the engine is hot. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Serowbot on 10/02/11 at 08:24:06 Being that Seafoam's main ingredients are isoprophol alcohol, naptha, and mineral oil,... I think the alcohol would evaporate away in a couple of hours,... the naptha quickly, too... This leaves the mineral oil.... thinning your oil... |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 10/02/11 at 08:58:07 Come on B and S I think you can do better than that. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/02/11 at 10:30:08 5F52485158495C4F593D0 wrote:
2E382F322A3F32295D0 wrote:
Well stated, but it appears bill and built are not susceptible to any logic or factual info that contrasts with their feelings. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 10/02/11 at 10:34:12 Logic or factual imfo ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) Te he he |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/02/11 at 11:19:44 5F5451510B0A3D0 wrote:
Sorry, you are being too subtle for me. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Serowbot on 10/02/11 at 11:26:02 Seafoam ingredients... PDF from Seafoam website... http://www.seafoamsales.com/component/option,com_rokdownloads/id,266/task,download/view,file/ 40 to 60%... pale oil (Mineral oil) 25 to 35%... Naptha 10 to 20%... IPA (Isoprophol alcohol) Same ingredients as any of the typical "Snake oil" engine treatments... Read the PDF for yourself... Marvel's has a prettier can... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 10/02/11 at 11:30:16 They got the right formula 8-) |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/02/11 at 11:38:35 7E7570702A2B1C0 wrote:
Right for THEM, eh? They buy up the leftovers from refining good stuff, put it in a can, and sell it for 50 times what they paid for it. I wonder if the real manufacturers wonder why they go to so much trouble to refine quality products, when there are so many folks out there that put the waste/by-products right back in the oil? |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 10/02/11 at 11:40:12 You guys want have to buy it any more you can just make your own. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Serowbot on 10/02/11 at 11:42:24 Not trying to convince you anything, Bill... I just think people should know what they're buying... Just mix up 3 parts baby oil, 2 parts lighter fluid, and 1 part rubbing alcohol... Magic!... $1 worth of stuff, in an $8 can...;D... |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 10/02/11 at 11:44:48 Like I just said you don't have to buy it any more just make your own. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/02/11 at 15:22:46 5D4B5C41594C415A2E0 wrote:
clever ;) ;D ::) :P :) |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Boule’tard on 10/02/11 at 16:19:15 Don't forget the water :P Actually I'm not anti-seafoam. There are many reports of it cleaning out varnished carbs that have been sitting awhile, restoring smooth carburetion, etc. I just ran some through my wife's car to clean the injectors. I'd just never put it in with the oil. How can the same concoction work as a general Drain-O that is good to put in BOTH the gas and oil.. smacks of cure-all advertising BS. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 10/02/11 at 16:23:55 Is that BS your talking about Bouletard-Serowbot. :) |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Boule’tard on 10/02/11 at 16:31:20 Yes. we get it. Bouletard and Serowbot start with a B, then an S! HAHAHA that makes BS! Good god your jokes are lame. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 10/02/11 at 16:41:56 Yes WE got it I had to make it simple or the WE your talking about wouldn't get it. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Serowbot on 10/02/11 at 16:42:10 Bill and Seafoam are BS, too... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 10/02/11 at 16:46:29 BK Bill Klotz :) |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by arteacher on 10/02/11 at 16:58:30 This is just getting silly now. >:( |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/11 at 17:04:42 It amuses them and keeps them out of the bars at night ..... :) It could be worse, they could be playing with their BB guns Ouch! That hurt !! Take that you rotten Seafoam drinkin' .... Yeowie !!! Hey, your crankin' up the pumps past what we agreed to !! I'm frickn' bleeding over here !!! |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by arteacher on 10/02/11 at 17:12:24 Hahahahahahahaha ;D |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/11 at 17:18:03 .... how little he knows us .... we all know we is all 'a plotting & getting ready for the next big six way oil/level/additive/petcock war hee hee ... more rounds per minute, more velocity !!!! ... better impact plates, stronger kelvar !!! |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/02/11 at 18:11:53 Ahem,.. this is the Cafe afterall,.. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by arteacher on 10/02/11 at 20:44:37 0F313A272A272A480 wrote:
I have mentioned before that name calling and snide remarks have no place on sites of this nature. I "belong" to four such sites, For Thirds Photo, The Audio Asylum, Scion XB, and this one. This is the only one of the four where name calling and snide remarks are not only allowed, but fairly common. People have left this site because of such ignorant behavior. The cafe is for discussion, not childishness. Now those of you who are guilty of such childish behavior, go wash your mouths out with soap and stand in the corner. NOW! >:( Moderators: what are your opinions on this? And please don't bring up the evil "censorship" word. In an honorable and polite society, which this site mostly is, censorship should not be needed. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by verslagen1 on 10/02/11 at 21:10:17 242F2F262A25243E3F4B0 wrote:
If you feel slighted, you need to bring it to a moderators attention. What offends you might not even tickle my fancy. There's no way I'm going to be able to read thru all of this dribble to find what offended you. simply quote the offense, copy it, paste it in a pm to one or more of the mod's and well either act on it in extreme cases or discuss it before action. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by weracerc on 10/02/11 at 21:23:21 6C632634233432303B3664550 wrote:
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by SuperSavage on 10/03/11 at 23:21:27 I use Sea Foam every 3rd fill-up. It keeps thing humming, and prevents the ethanol gumming. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by built2last66 on 10/04/11 at 05:42:43 I use non-ethanol gas AND Seafoam.. try and out idle me... you can't! I'm the king of idle 'round these here parts. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/04/11 at 06:27:34 My motorcycles always idle better when the republicans control both houses of congress. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by bill67 on 10/04/11 at 06:43:43 Its good it idles better because you want have any money to go anywhere on it under those conditions. |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by Gyrobob on 10/04/11 at 09:33:52 03080D0D5756610 wrote:
I want have any money? Is that lib-speak? |
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Title: Re: Declared Sea Foam War (hip waders needed) Post by Oldfeller on 10/04/11 at 16:10:32 No, not lib-speak -- Billish, a jargot derivative of Slinglish Get him to explain something and you will note it is in a language most unusual and rare. His accent gets worse the later it is at night (or the madder he gets, depends somewhat on if it is oil related or not) I can actually speak some Billish after a fashion -- I can interpret for you if you see something that looks worth the effort. ;) |
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Title: Re: Declared Sea Foam War (hip waders needed) Post by Gyrobob on 10/05/11 at 07:13:17 6F4C4446454C4C4552200 wrote:
Thanks much. If anything ever comes up that looks worth the effort, I will ask for your help. |
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Title: Re: Declared Sea Foam War (hip waders needed) Post by splash07 on 10/05/11 at 07:52:35 Wait...........what about sea foam?? :-? |
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Title: Re: Sea Foam Post by weracerc on 10/05/11 at 08:23:43 2A256072657274767D7022130 wrote:
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Title: Re: Declared Sea Foam War (hip waders needed) Post by Gyrobob on 10/05/11 at 08:37:04 I put some seafoam in my Ipod yesterday. Now it smells funny. |
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Title: Re: Declared Sea Foam War (hip waders needed) Post by verslagen1 on 10/05/11 at 11:14:10 132D263B363B36540 wrote:
That wasn't your Ipod, it was your cat. BTW, it just went by, yes it's still screaching. |
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Title: Re: Declared Sea Foam War (hip waders needed) Post by Gyrobob on 10/05/11 at 17:58:57 7F6C7B7A65686E6C6738090 wrote:
That wasn't your Ipod, it was your cat. BTW, it just went by, yes it's still screaching.[/quote] My cat DOESN'T smell funny!! |
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Title: Re: Declared Sea Foam War (hip waders needed) Post by built2last66 on 10/06/11 at 21:22:25 I use Seafoam for lip balm... this stuff is amazing!!! |
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Title: Re: Declared Sea Foam War (hip waders needed) Post by Arnold on 10/07/11 at 05:12:20 I could put Seafoam in the guacamole. There was salt on the glass, big grains of salt. |
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Title: Re: Declared Sea Foam War (hip waders needed) Post by Serowbot on 10/07/11 at 10:25:47 Put some in your swimming pool and your Koi fish and tortoises will feel like they are home... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Declared Sea Foam War (hip waders needed) Post by SuperSavage on 10/07/11 at 23:16:40 I just added some today... |
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