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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1315755629 Message started by Routy on 09/11/11 at 08:40:28 |
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Title: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by Routy on 09/11/11 at 08:40:28 Ok, see if I understand this,......and correct me if wrong,........... W/ the later model bikes needing the check sooner than earlier models, my '07 is probably near check time at 6500 miles. So if I plan to keep the bike, one way or another, I should have a new extended 2 hole plunger ready to go in if I don't want to chance a week or 2 downtime. When I do take it down, if the plunger is beyond the 18mm spec, then the new one can be installed,......w/ bolt in the extended hole. If it is not near the limit, then effort is wasted, but then I have 2 choices, leave as is, or install the new plunger w/ bolt in original hole,.....the difference being nothing. Then after another 3-6k ?? miles, move the bolt to the 2 hole if needed, and all is well for another.......many miles. Why am I thinking that there must be an easier way of checking,......like a 1" flat rubber inspection plug inline w/ the plunger ? Tacky ?? :o I guess I'd have to agree,.......but if it wadn't for the cuttings getting into the oil side, I'm afraid my 1" hole saw just mite be warming up already :o Any thoughts or corrections welcome. |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by arteacher on 09/11/11 at 09:01:38 That's a great idea, but I doubt a rubber plug would work. Maybe some kind of window? like the oil level window? |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by Oldfeller on 09/11/11 at 09:10:11 "Mr Verslagen, messy cam chain expert question on Isle 6, messy cam chain (w/war potential ??) question on Isle 6" "Leftover cam chain wear data question on Isle 3, leftover cam chain wear question on Isle 3" Routy, the recent guys who are checking seem to be checking earlier and earlier and they are seeing wear about 3/4 of the way there. We used to check around 15,000 miles and we WERE there, and we were also at a point where a new clutch rod wouldn't be a bad idea either. Let Verslagen crunch his old cam chain wear data and see if there has been a shift or not with these newer bikes. This answer is complicated of course by the fact they are looking early and are only 3/4 of the way there. ================== Bunch of old history -- http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1176999168 Window idea might get complicated by the position of the oil filter area (right over where you need to be looking). |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by verslagen1 on 09/11/11 at 09:24:17 I see you guys have never had the cover off or you'd know the answer. The location of the hole is under the oil filter. And there's very little space there. You'll have to find the cam chain adjuster life thread yourselves. Very limited responses right now. |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by Routy on 09/11/11 at 09:57:49 7A697E7F606D6B69623D0C0 wrote:
Good thing the battery was dead in my hole saw drill ?? Why did I know there would be a curve thrown into my style ? Maybe if I had went out there and just looked at it ?? I thought I had read enough to know that there is a big difference in the miliage that these chains wear. But I ain't in no hurry to inspect it yet,.....as its all perdy quiet in there yet. OF,.....what would we do w/o you ?? ;) |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by arteacher on 09/11/11 at 10:10:24 WHAT IF..... you cut an inspection hole in the clutch cover behind the oil filter. You wouldn't have to worry about sealing it up as it's behind the filter. I can't see how it would impede the function of the filter. That way you could check the tensioner every time you change the filter. |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by Serowbot on 09/11/11 at 10:12:01 Even if the chain is still within spec.... put in the Verslavy on the first hole... It's not a wasted effort,.. because the Verslavy has two features... The extended adjuster hole,... and the pinned adjuster... The pinned adjuster will prevent the plunger from popping out and causing havoc... Well worth the trouble.... ;)... I see you're a believer in this engineering screw-up by Suzuki... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by verslagen1 on 09/11/11 at 10:19:02 5952525B5758594342360 wrote:
A leak will mean no pressure downstream. |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by Oldfeller on 09/11/11 at 11:16:16 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I love's them I do ..... Both all our newbies and all our brand new never-done-it-before Newbie Exspurts. Hell, I won't even claim to be the cam chain expert any more, I'll let Verslagen do it because he's a lot more current than I am. Furthermore, has anyone worn out a SuperChain yet to see if it actually outperformed their original cam chain? :D let's all sing along together !! T'ain't me babe, no no no It ain't me you lookin' for, babe My chain is still on the second hoooole ..... It ain't me you lookin' for, babe |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by arteacher on 09/11/11 at 11:24:43 5F4C5B5A45484E4C4718290 wrote:
A leak will mean no pressure downstream. [/quote] So that chamber is under pressure? |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by Boule’tard on 09/11/11 at 11:49:03 That's a darn good idea, arteacher. I wouldn't put a glass window there (cuz the oil pressure might pop it out) but one could install a threaded metal inspection plug there, making it very easy to check the tensioner when changing the filter. |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by Oldfeller on 09/11/11 at 12:19:25 This is the same oil pressure that can bust the oil cover slam out if you put the filter in backwards? Same one that spikes up to 60+ psi on the gauge (filter oriented correctly) when engine is first started and the oil is cold & gooky? yeah !! that one !! ================== All youse guys do realize that you don't need to "check it" at all when a chain is on the second hole, right? Chain will declare itself very clearly when it wears out in the second life. It will make a most peculiar sound when it starts rubbing up against itself -- probably a whirring/burring sound combined with a slack slapping sound, probably quite distinctive and LOUD. Ain't nobody heard that particular sound yet that I know of, so we'll get a video when it happens and post it for everybody to listen to. ;) HAS any body put in their new super duty cam chain yet? If so, Who? ;D ;D ;D I loves a good intellectual discussion, I do ..... and I gots me two of them smancy fancy super chains, I does, two of 'em golden jobbies from the very first certified shipment. |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by ralfyguy on 09/12/11 at 10:50:15 A inspection hole in the cover would be cool. About an half inch would do. Then either put a window or a threaded plug there. But the area has to be reinforced as the cover also takes mechanical load from actuating the clutch. An additional hole without reinforcement could crack the cover from using the clutch. But like Oldfeller said: In principle you don't need it when you're on the "2nd" chain life with the verslavy in there. |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by verslagen1 on 09/12/11 at 12:00:22 Here's a couple of pic's. Top one clutch cover removed. bottom one inside of the clutch cover reversed to compare The place to put the inspection port is right thru the oil passage. So, you would also need to engage the plunger to indicate a limit. Or you can put in a verslavy with a built in limit. http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Oil War/plunger-inspection.jpg |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by arteacher on 09/12/11 at 13:09:31 A small inspection hole to the right of the oil passage in your pic would allow you to see the head of the tensioner bolt, which would give you a good idea if you needed to change the tensioner, or move it to the outside hole in your tensioner. BTW, I would like to buy one of your tensioners so I will have one to put in when I need it. |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by serenity3743 on 09/13/11 at 13:23:14 11323A383B32323B2C5E0 wrote:
I put in one of the new improved chains about two years ago, I think I got it from Lancer. At the same time, I put in a 2-hole Verslavy, so I should make these last for a loooonnnnngggg time. |
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Title: Re: Cam Chain Tensioner Check Clarified ? Post by Bubba on 09/15/11 at 07:57:17 Put my versy in at about 12,000 miles...it was extended 18mm. three owners including me. First was lady rider, second was big guy, new rider where probably most of the wear came from and then me where the rest of the wear came from :P I have it installed in the second hole. I'd sure like to get one of those super chains if anyone has one... :-? PM Justin -- he has one for sale |
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