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Message started by rl153 on 09/04/11 at 13:19:56

Title: Oil Problem
Post by rl153 on 09/04/11 at 13:19:56

At the end of last summer ,I changed my oil ,somehow I got ATV Suzuki 10-40 oil instead of motorcycle oil . I went about 600 miles on it . I just changed my oil today and realized my mistake but now the oil is 1 quart ATV and 1 quart motorcycle oil fresh oil . Do I have to get rid of the ATV oil in the crankcase now ,will it damage anything? One parts guy at the Suzuki place told me to change it ,but the manager said it wouldn't harm anything. They do have different additive packages. What do you think? Thanks!

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by Routy on 09/04/11 at 13:28:18

If this is a joke, I'll bite !
I'd bet the only difference tween ATV and Motorcycle oil, is politics !

In reality, I didn't know there was any oil marked ATV.
Fact is, a week ago I changed oil in my Kawi Mule sxs, and put Rotella T motorcycle oil in it. :o

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by rl153 on 09/04/11 at 13:36:16

I didn't know there two suzuki 10-40 oils either. I did it unwittingly. There was a small amount of material on my magnetic drain plug ,I don't know if it had anything to do with the different oil .

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by Routy on 09/04/11 at 13:40:06

232A3926212A7E7D76764F0 wrote:

I didn't know there two suzuki 10-40 oils either. I did it unwittingly. There was a small amount of material on my magnetic drain plug ,I don't know if it had anything to do with the different oil .

It didn't,....trust me !

Me, I never start nothin, but if you're not careful,....you're going to start another oil war w/o even trying..... :o ;D

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/11 at 14:06:26

Do Suzuki ATVs run a wet clutch? If so,, youre good to go.. Im betting youre okay,

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by rl153 on 09/04/11 at 14:15:32

I checked a Suzuki ATV forum and it appears some Suzuki ATVs do have wet clutches . I looked at Suzuki atv 10-40 oil at the suzuki site ,it said for automatic and centrifugal clutches . I think I better change the oil again. The stuff I had had a yellow cap ,and the one at suzuki website had a black cap . I don't know .

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by Routy on 09/04/11 at 14:21:23

46595F5845427343734B59551E2C0 wrote:

Do Suzuki ATVs run a wet clutch? If so,, youre good to go.. Im betting youre okay,

And if it was a dry clutch, then what ?

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/11 at 15:04:50

If they run a wet clutch, then its okay for a wet clutch,, like we run,,

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by rl153 on 09/04/11 at 15:11:57

On the suzuki website ,the 10-40 atv oil said for automatic and centrifugal clutches . thats not a wet clutch . I better change it.I wonder what kind of damage it might have done?

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/11 at 15:23:55

IDK,, but change is a good idea,,

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by rl153 on 09/04/11 at 15:35:57

Thanks JOG ,this isn't the first time you have helped me with something important!I appreciate it.

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by Boofer on 09/04/11 at 18:31:55

If it bugs you change it for peace of mind. You probably didn't hurt a thing. Many of us have bought cars, bikes and such with what appears to be molasses in the case. After running cheap oil through them for about 500 miles over a period of 3-4 changes to flush them out, they went on to be reliable vehicles. Now, NO lubrication is a different story. Change it and ride it. Rotella T $12 a gallon. Castrol mc oil $7 a litre. Suzuki oil ? :)

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by rl153 on 09/04/11 at 19:31:39

Thanks,I'm going to change it again . I feel better that I didn't damage anything . The bikes running good.

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by Routy on 09/04/11 at 21:29:21

2F26352A2D2672717A7A430 wrote:

On the suzuki website ,the 10-40 atv oil said for automatic and centrifugal clutches . thats not a wet clutch . I better change it.I wonder what kind of damage it might have done?

An automatic transmission is all wet clutches.

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/11 at 23:20:18

By Jorge', Youre right!

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by rl153 on 09/05/11 at 06:36:09

Oh well, I changed it this morning . I didn't know that Routy . Thanks again.

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by Oldfeller on 09/05/11 at 07:42:59

Routy is doing most excellently, isn't he?

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by rl153 on 09/05/11 at 16:05:21

Sounds good to me,

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by Routy on 09/06/11 at 07:38:31

6B4840424148484156240 wrote:

Routy is doing most excellently, isn't he?

I'm not impressed,.....can't even get an oil war going anymore !

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by Oldfeller on 09/06/11 at 11:26:48

Routy, we only war the things that need investigational data to support picking the best corrective action pathway.

We have warred a whole lot of things over the years -- cam chains, cam chain adusters, clutches, clutch rods, head bearings, petcocks and oil levels until we had documented down the "things to do" about each one of them.

Right now we are between any new serious maintenance issues ... and yeah, it is kinda boring right now but unless you can find something else that needs fixing you are gonna have to jest help the newbies as they ask their "innocent questions".

Or go provoke Bill over Klotz -- that's what I always did when I got bored. Seafoam works too.

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What about our scoots always comes up and always needs to be fixed that shouldn't?

I think that folks getting the "ticky ticky" in their heads is gonna become more prevalent over time but that is due to their motor oil not supporting flat tappet/cam lobe line contact friction/film strengths any more (thank you government EPA laws for that).

This is a big big issue through out the muscle car/restoration community. Corvairs have the exact same system we do, old VWs and old Porsche's too. Eat up with it !!! Big issue with engines dying all the time (and we will have them too, soon enough).

There is a guy putting super smooth, super hard ceramic pads on old Porsche rockers, how's that for a high dollar solution? Retro fitting roller tappets would be nice, but we lack the room for them inside our heads.

The Kawasaki Z1 group is getting it too, but their symptom is spaulling of the cam lobes as their bucket shims are harder than the cam steel.

Go war that for a bit and see where it goes ....

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by Blvd1960 on 09/21/11 at 18:31:53

Before I read all these info, I went and put Quaker 20W50 car oil (API SN) on my 2008 S40 (didn't change filter). I rode it for about 20 miles and did not notice anything wrong.
If I wanted to change to MC specific oil, would I need to rinse crankcase in any way? or just replace w/new oil and filter?
Thank you!

Title: Re: Oil Problem
Post by Blvd1960 on 09/21/11 at 18:33:34

At this time of year we have over 110F of heat around here...