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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Savage Vs. XS650? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1314660849 Message started by Smokestack on 08/29/11 at 16:34:08 |
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Title: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by Smokestack on 08/29/11 at 16:34:08 What are the performance differences, whatever they may be, between a 650 single and a 650 parallel twin? I might have the chance to pick up an XS650 for dirt cheap, and was wondering what to expect from the ride if I go ahead..... |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by Serowbot on 08/29/11 at 17:05:49 What year?... Pre-80' models were points ignition... You'll get 10 or 15 extra ponies, and maybe 10mph more top speed... Parts will be harder to find, and more expensive... Beautiful bike and engine... Japanese Bonnie... I want that front fender!... ;D... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Yamaha_img_2227.jpg/600px-Yamaha_img_2227.jpg |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by Oldfeller on 08/29/11 at 17:14:46 Yamaha has dropped all parts support for the bike as it is way past their 15 year limit. But it was a famous flat-track platform and when tweeked to the max it murderized all the Hurleys all over dirt tracks all over America. It has also been a chopper/bobber and a cafe racer platform par excellence. In stock tune, it was noted for mild broad power. |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by Smokestack on 08/29/11 at 17:46:35 Thanks for the quick relpies, yo! I believe it's a '77. Kick only, and in relatively good shape. A rider, but a well cared for one. Single owner. So the parallel twin puts out more ponies, huh? Interesting. With some work this might be fun..... But I'll hafta Kong the frame within an inch of it's life! I guessed that there wasn't much in the way of OEM parts support from Yamaha anymore, but there's a bunch 3rd parties making parts for this thing, 'cuz its so popular as base for choppin'. Kinda like the old CB's. |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by MotoBuddha on 08/29/11 at 18:48:35 There's a very healthy online community and there are aftermarket parts available -- more than for the savage. |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by bill67 on 08/29/11 at 18:58:58 They weren't know as a good handling bike. |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by Boofer on 08/29/11 at 19:04:55 Bill is right about handling. Used to ride with a blue one on weekends. And yes, a v-twin or parrallel twin will always have more power with the same cc. ;) |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by BurnPgh on 08/29/11 at 19:59:38 the savage aint the greatest handling bike either. |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by Edgar on 08/29/11 at 20:05:29 Dude get the XS. It's a classic, and since it's so popular for bobbing, it'll have a waaaay better re sale value should you ever need to sell. All around it's just a better bike |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/29/11 at 20:06:21 5166617D43747B130 wrote:
In a long 65 mph sweeper, mine turns into a drunken rubber cow,, & thats With the fork brace,. |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by Routy on 08/30/11 at 06:49:29 716E686F72754474447C6E62291B0 wrote:
In a long 65 mph sweeper, mine turns into a drunken rubber cow,, & thats With the fork brace,.[/quote] Hummmm'm, I ain't no youngster no more, don't lay'm down like I used to, ;) but compared to other bikes I had long ago, I think this one handles quite well,.....even w/o a FB. The opinions of some of the oldtimers here about (not only) the handling of this bike, I've often wondered why they would ever have one.....let alone keep one. |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by BurnPgh on 08/30/11 at 13:39:44 77786279656370727A7463110 wrote:
In a long 65 mph sweeper, mine turns into a drunken rubber cow,, & thats With the fork brace,.[/quote] Hummmm'm, I ain't no youngster no more, don't lay'm down like I used to, ;) but compared to other bikes I had long ago, I think this one handles quite well,.....even w/o a FB. The opinions of some of the oldtimers here about (not only) the handling of this bike, I've often wondered why they would ever have one.....let alone keep one. [/quote] dollar for dollar, you still can hardly beat it even with its quirks. If not the savage you're looking at potentially too much power/maint/money. You get a 250 size and price, with 450 power in a 650 package that almost anyone can take care of. |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/30/11 at 13:44:57 Let me make this point,, YES, the Savage gets unruly at speeds that would get a guy hurt to go down,, Its a bit of a handful, yes, the beauty of that is, it doesnt Lure me into a situation as easily as some very good handling machine might.. Its been said its more un to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. Honestly, I am not a good enough rider to use a real good bike,, I NEED a bike that keeps me from running 80 & 100 mph thru a sweeper,, if it felt good up there, I probably try it.. |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by EJID on 08/30/11 at 13:56:58 Just saw this one listed on CL today...looks pretty good for a bobber. http://boise.craigslist.org/mcy/2573529658.html http://images.craigslist.org/3nb3k43od5V45Q15U0b8u9dc98303c8ab1614.jpg |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by MotoBuddha on 08/30/11 at 17:05:30 7A5B585E4D3F0 wrote:
Also popular for cafe racers, street trackers and good old restoration. |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by Demin on 08/30/11 at 17:53:31 Parts are all over for that bike.They are now,what the Triumph was in the 70's.Cherck out Mike's XS,bobbertalk,Chop cult,chopper underground.There are a BUNCH of XS' out there. |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by Smokestack on 08/31/11 at 16:50:53 64656D696E000 wrote:
Yeah, I've been a Lurking on Chop Cult for a while now. Love that site. Hopefully I'll get something together that I'd feel confortable posting about over there, but I'm still a little too new at this game, I think. Some of the XS 650's I've seen on the "Japanese Bikes and Tech" forum are what got me thinking this might work, and the parts support was kinda surprising. |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by Demin on 08/31/11 at 18:46:43 Everybody was new at it once.There's always questions,just like here. ;) |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by MMRanch on 08/31/11 at 22:31:06 I've had both , the Savage and the SX-650 . The race wouldn't even be close. The SX- would give my Harley 1200 sportster a good run or leave it. They both will do over 70 mph in second and get it perty quick. The SX I had burned out the roter part of the Altnator the first time the battery went dead. I wonder if replaceing the battery in time would have saved it ? guess I'll never know ! used to ride with a guy on a 750 honda back then. In a 50 mph poke he would have to downshift to keep up and our top-ends were so close we never found out which was faster ... I did stretch out belly on gas tank and head between the handlebars one night on the interstate. The speedometer started bouncing between 130 and 135 ... had me puzzled till I realized it was the front wheel leaving the road then retouching again. That was enough to slow me down for a while . :o |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by Smokestack on 09/01/11 at 17:11:20 2C3E2C3E33202F2229610 wrote:
Wild! |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by Seroj on 09/06/11 at 08:25:43 I built a '79 XS650 street tracker and a RYCA cafe racer in the past 9 months. Guess which one I'm keeping... |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by krsanky on 09/10/11 at 13:04:36 6E584F52573D0 wrote:
i give up which ? |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by Gentlemanjim on 04/16/13 at 01:56:46 Buy the XS650 or tell me where it is. These bikes have more aftermarket support than any other bike made. Tons of parts available. I love them owned 7 over the years |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by dirty dog on 04/16/13 at 06:54:29 xs650 hands down I have built 5 of them and raced them back in the day,goog stock or into full hardtail can't go wrong with it,.you can part out and make big$$$ if you don't want it go look at xs650.com and look around> ;Dhttp://www.xs650.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1099&pictureid=7303 |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by LANCER on 04/16/13 at 15:34:31 Try these: Phil Little Racing … http://www.phillittleracing.com/ Omar's Dirt Track Racing … http://omarsdtr.com/index.html (started & run by Phil Little for a long time but sold to another now, though they still support each other) Lots of good stuff for the XS650 Yamaha |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by 87 savage on 04/16/13 at 16:01:24 736173616C7F707D763E0 wrote:
darn MMRanch you are a crazy man! :o If you would have dumped it you would have been toast! |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by ToesNose on 04/17/13 at 04:40:58 There was a complete XS in pieces here on Craigslist for $150 I almost pulled the trigger on last week, but he didn't have title and I didn't feel like going through that potential headache or registering. Too bad :-/ |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by B.J. or Jo on 04/17/13 at 08:15:13 We owned a 1983 XS650SK Heritiage Special, put 80,000 miles in 6 years of "double up" riding and never did anything but have it serviced when you should!!! That bike was FUN, yes it did vibrate, if you had it on the center stand, motor on, in netural with a slight down hill, it would "walk" down the drive way ;) Still it sure seemed a lot larger than the S40 but according to stats the S40 has a "inch" longer wheelbase :-? I'd LOVE to have another one! http://www.fidnet.com/~dlawson/yamaha650society/index.html http://https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uieAyJPi41Q/UUJB2iWel7I/AAAAAAAAFsg/gNIe2YA4l4k/s216/83xs650sm.jpg |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by WD on 04/17/13 at 15:50:42 XS650, hands down. Do the lighting coil eliminator mod and the electrical system is good, not great, but good. Keep in mind it is a knock off of a Triumph/BSA design exercise from 1954... yes, they were already experimenting in England with unit twins by the mid-50s. Yahama got the design in the late 1960s. Interesting article on the XS in A Century of Japanese Motorcycles. If it is a 60 spoke Special, the wheels are worth more than the rest of the bike. Cast wheel versions are worth 1/2 of the cost of the spoked models. The model IS in dire need of a weight reduction. Check for XS twins on Do the Ton. 360, 400, 500 and 650 are worth the time to get your hands on. XS650 was, bar none, the best bike Yamaha ever released. |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by LANCER on 04/19/13 at 18:50:05 "The X650 Storm™ is the newest conversion kit in the world for the 650 Yamaha. By agreement with my former company, Omar's, I could not produce another street tracker or a café kit for the 650. That left the 'sport custom' category. The new kit is based on Craig Vetter's X75 Triumph Hurricane from 1972." http://phillittleracing.com/motorcycle/xs650-storm-conversion http://phillittleracing.com/images/stories/products/motorcycle/WDP_1049_Storm_profile_Layered_5x8-500.png I would not mind having something like this for the LS650 |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by jjn on 04/22/13 at 13:40:06 I almost bought a new XS650 in 1976. Test rode it and did like it. Ended up buying a 1976 Honda CB750K model instead. I think by 1975 or 76 the XS650 had an electric starter and a kick. And I believe they used a generator that would wear out the brushes sometimes. They are probably still available. I think Motorcyclist many years ago ran some articles in improving the handling on them. I think the swing arm bushings were not mad of the best materials. But a good running 650 twin is a very fun ride. In high school, class of 1972, I rode a BSA 500 twin. My best friend had a Kawasaki W2SS (google it), which was a copy of an old English pre-unit twin. The Kawasaki had a single carb which gave it tremendous torque, but not as much of a top end as the twin carb model had. That Kawasaki was a riot to ride. My BSA was a twin carb and was pretty fast too. Ah, those were the good old days........ |
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Title: Re: Savage Vs. XS650? Post by strang on 04/23/13 at 03:06:12 I have both. Am still restoring my xs650, has taken me a year already. Bad points: yes handling - swingarm bushings are made of plastic! good quality retrofit ones available. Not a fun job though. older ones still run points. clutch is not up to modern standards and it's a pain to get it adjusted right. Finding nuetral at stop light a bit of a dance. Good points: much easier cafe conversion than the savage! :) beautiful engine look and sound. loads of parts about new and old. Basically it isn't the best bike (xs650) out of the box but if you are prepared to mess around every weekend for a long time you will get a very cool bike. Not sure I'd do it again but I'm in too deep now. ::) Got the savage cause I didn't want the hassles of the XS650. Oh and the XS650 will do two up a lot better than the savage if that's improtant, otherwise I vote Savage. |
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