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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1314643216 Message started by mr.HUBA on 08/29/11 at 11:40:16 |
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Title: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by mr.HUBA on 08/29/11 at 11:40:16 got my new raptor in today, finally haha. so I gotta ask, is it ok to reuse the same tubes at the stock petcock? if not, which replacement should I get? also, im gonna change oil, and oil filter today. Im caught up with the oil clashes Ive been reading. many people stand by Mobil Vtwin 20W-50 but, the manual says 10w-40 and people here say nothing less than a 15w due to slipping clutches.... now i dont know what my previous owner had in my bike, but i think im just gonna go with a Mobil 20W-50 to play it safe... Whats ya guys think??? |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by mr.HUBA on 08/29/11 at 11:45:56 also, im gonna try the SEAFOAM in the crankcase to clean it all out in there. Ill ride around for 30 mins to get it all regulated in there. have any of you tried this?? |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by Oldfeller on 08/29/11 at 12:00:57 Gosh Mr.HUBA, I would think you have combined all the inherent opportunities of a petcock war with those of an oil war .... with seafoam thrown on top for the magic sparklies Problem as I see it is that some of us are on different sides of those two different sorts of wars and it is possibly gonna get right confusing in a few minutes from the viewpoint of a newbie that asked two (2) innocent seeming questions in the same mouthful of air. Just don't flinch when the wheet sounds go buzzing by your ears, none of the bullets are aimed at you in particular. Do watch where you put your feet when you start running as you are standing in the middle of a mine field right now. ====================== And I will start out the fun by asking all the list's trolls this very simple but interesting question: Gentlemen, what are the odds of a single newbie's simple innocent question punching every hot button that we own all at the same time? 10 to 1? 50 to 1? 100 to 1? ====================== And now for the obligatory "serious straight faced answer" which will stall things long enough --- until I can get my Kevlar on anyway .... Straight answer #1 Yes, you can re-use the fuel hose, but no you cannot use the vac hose because it has nowhere to go. You have to cap off the suction port on the carb with a rubber plug you can get from any auto parts store, or a little piece of the vac tube that is plugged up with RTV, or by tapping the brass port with ID threads and putting a small screw into it. Straight answer #2 You can use whatever oil you want to in your bike. It is your bike after all. Since you are current on all the oil clashes (and must have been around to read them) you already know all the pros and cons discussed earlier. And, your last sentence seems to get the weight thing a bit backwards, heavier oils may promote slippage, not thinner oils ..... Good luck, Mr.HUBA Incoming !!!! ::) seafoam no less? Bill, is this whole thing all aimed at you buddy? |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by bill67 on 08/29/11 at 13:17:11 0F104C2A372023620 wrote:
Yes I have put Sea Foam in the oil I Would drive it more than 1/2 hour I would drive it at least 2 days in a row,You could drive it a month and it wouldn't hurt any thing. Bill, If Klotz is the perfect oil that never ever never gets dirty, why did you have to add Seafoam to it to clean out or regulate anything? What were you cleaning out? :D 'jest curious, you know .... big grin |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by drums1 on 08/29/11 at 13:37:19 I have used 10w40 since I got my bike 12k ago. Never a problem with the oil or clutch slippage. Just don't use oil with additives or detergents in them. That's what will cause the clutch to slip. Make sure it is for motorcycle wet clutch use. Or, like some on here use, get RotellaT for diesel motors. Apparently that works good too. Be careful with the seal and spring when changing the filter. |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by verslagen1 on 08/29/11 at 13:40:45 We maybe at the top end of the heat range for 10w40, but it flows better then 20w50. And that flow carries the heat faster. The low end of the oil wt. doesn't matter at all, unless you ride up to jackson hole to go skiing. Your savage will never see temp's to activate the low end. |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by bill67 on 08/29/11 at 19:07:06 3D36333369685F0 wrote:
Yes I have put Sea Foam in the oil I Would drive it more than 1/2 hour I would drive it at least 2 days in a row,You could drive it a month and it wouldn't hurt any thing. Bill, If Klotz is the perfect oil that never ever never gets dirty, why did you have to add Seafoam to it to clean out or regulate anything? What were you cleaning out? :D 'jest curious, you know .... big grin [/quote] I don't use it in my motorcycles,I use it in the oil for lawnmowers, generators, cars ,trucks,and etc.I use 15 w/ 50 Klotz in the motorcycles the oil is clean when I change it. |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by Boofer on 08/29/11 at 19:13:10 I found Seafoam for $5.99 a can and was broke as a convict. (A real convict...not a govt one) I'm not telling anybody till I can get back there. Oops! :-[ |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by bill67 on 08/29/11 at 19:17:27 I get Sea Foam at Menards for $6.50 but I think they are only in the midwest.Wal mart is $8.50 here . |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by Routy on 08/29/11 at 19:17:34 Seafoam contains no lubrication qualities whatsoever. Who in their right mind would run that for even 30 seconds in a crankcase ??!!!! Oh,....thats right, its your bike/money. |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by Boofer on 08/29/11 at 19:26:10 I don't put it in my crankcase, but I wouldn't be afraid to. With diesel oil in the crankcase I don't need to. ;) It's in my gas occassionally and my non ethanol gas can for the mowers and weedeaters. I found it in a small local junk store that buys wrecked freight and such. They even have pallets of 5 gallon gear oil. The farmers around here love it. Cheap and name brand. |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by Oldfeller on 08/29/11 at 19:53:18 Bill, What sort of oil do you use in your cars that you have to put Seafoam in them to clean ???what??? out --- and do you still run them without oil for 10-15 seconds after giving them a dose of (how much) Seafoam? :D I like the oil and seafoam part of this question pretty much so far -- still waiting for the sides to swap out for the petcock part. |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by bill67 on 08/30/11 at 08:53:07 I been using mobil 1 since it came out,I put Sea Foam in about a week before I change oil.I run them for 4-5 seconds to get the rest of the oil out.You could put a ounce of gas in your oil and it wouldn't hurt any thing. And Sea Foam does contain some oil.One half of can in the car oil. |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by Oldfeller on 08/30/11 at 10:00:30 Mobile1 was my favorite car oil too for a lot of years, then they took to modifying the formulation and NOT NOTIFYING THEIR CUSTOMERS in any way at all that they had done so. Pissed off all the old car buffs and a good many of the performance car folks too as what they cut out was a lot of the ZDDP that made it such a great performance oil for so many years. Now, if you want a full load of ZDDP you have to go to a diesel oil and you get warned very strictly that high levels of ZDDP is potentially harmful to the new type 2 catalytic converters. If you have a type 2 catalytic converter on your car and are within a extended warranty of any kind you have to watch the oil you put in the vehicle very closely -- only milquetoast oils can be used. Like the new neutered Mobil1 formulation (with friction modifiers like moly added to it). In a car engine (separate transmission) friction modifiers are a good thing since they replace some of the functions of ZDDP, so Mobil1 is good car oil. Just not as good as it used to be .... And not a good Savage bike oil at all. ;) friction modifiers are stone bad news for a wet clutch bike like ours |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by mr.HUBA on 08/31/11 at 12:38:14 new petcock, raptor 660 new oil, 15w-50 new oil filter, Hiflow my bike accelerates much slower now, and sounds a bit louder... is there something I need to adjust? ALSO, i was thinking I HAD a synthetic oil previously and now I changed it to a non-syth one. would this be a bad thing???? OR maybe my carbs needs rejetting to let more gas in now that its not a vacuum suction of gas but a falling into the carb kinda deal with this manual petcock???? |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by Serowbot on 08/31/11 at 13:49:25 243B67011C0B08490 wrote:
Definitely,... nope... The vacuum don't work that way... Did you block off the vacuum tap on the carb?... needs to be blocked... |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by mr.HUBA on 08/31/11 at 23:20:24 yes sir, I fixed bought a rubber nib from auto zone and got it blocked off. i just took it on the freeway for the first time and I noticed it won't go passed 75MPH now Im wondering whats up... maybe the oil is bunk??? im gonna open up the oil filter and see whats going on, could a pinched O-ring be the cause of this?? |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by Routy on 09/01/11 at 07:51:10 6F702C4A574043020 wrote:
Even if the vacuum port was not blocked off, (it for sure should be) that would not cause your lack of hi speed power....... neither will the type of oil...... neither will an oil filter gasket...... and as you found out the hard....rather expensive way,...neither did the vac petcock,.....even tho it could have. Too bad you got caught up in the "vac petcock paranoia syndrome", but at least now you won't have to worry about the petcock starving the bike for fuel. And as long as you don't forget to turn it off, you won't ever see your carb overflowing into the oil in the crankcase either. Lacking hi sp power ? Hard to say,.....but did you try choking it a click or 2 when under WOT ? It mite be running lean, but I would think it would be surging then too. If choking doesn't improve it, maybe its running too rich. |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by Oldfeller on 09/01/11 at 21:50:47 Have you adjusted your rear brake lately? Sounds stupid, but on our bikes you need to reset it "loose" when doing freeway miles as opposed to "tight" for when you are in close quarters in town. The tight city setting gives great response time, but it does drag some at high highway speeds. When it drags, it is limiting your gas mileage and upper end speed as it is constantly wasting engine power. You wouldn't think it makes a difference, but it does. |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by Serowbot on 09/01/11 at 22:25:28 I'm burfuffulled... :-?... If your analysis is correct,... something has changed... The Raptor won't do it,... and neither will the oil... no pinched gasket... ... unless your jetting was so wrong, that fuel leaking down the vac line was correcting it...(don't count on it, seriously)... (jetting would have to be massively altered)... So,.... what is different?... ...is your air filter clogged,... or drowned in gas?... .. check your gas tank vent... (listen for sucking sound when you remove cap... ... check that your wheels spin freely... I don't know... but think about what you've done, and what might be changed... Keep us informed... ;) We never give up... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Raptor arrived/OIL booshie... Post by mr.HUBA on 09/02/11 at 13:37:13 holy moley...my rear break IS tight...quite a bit I say... SO ima get on this right now and see how it helps... but good news is...seems like my bike settled to the new oil or what ever is up with it...and it seems to back to normal for the most part. ima take it on the freeway after i adjust my brake see how it preforms... also, im digging the raptor so far. cold conditions are no longer a problem. but warming up has gotten a bit longer. haha |
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