SuzukiSavage.com - Print Page

SuzukiSavage.com
/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl
General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Carb help
/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1314271068

Message started by bigdave on 08/25/11 at 04:17:48

Title: Carb help
Post by bigdave on 08/25/11 at 04:17:48

I think my carb is dirty but I don't know how to take it off. I have a 98 Suzuki savage. I don't know much mechanical either. So any help would be greatly appreciated. I need to know how to clean,adjust,& how to take off/put on the carb. Also,about what speeds does everbody use in different gears? I think I may be running high since I don't have a rpm meter.

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by Routy on 08/25/11 at 04:36:27

6C67696A6F786B0E0 wrote:

Dave,
Unlike myself, there are those here that know this carb really well.
They will be here w/ help as soon as they wake up :)

If its just basic carb cleaning info you want, ok, but they may be able to help you much more if they knew what the specific problem is. It may be a carb problem, but at the age of your bike, it could also be a fuel supply problem too,......caused by a vacuum operated fuel valve.

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by built2last66 on 08/25/11 at 05:09:13

Check the technical section, I'm sure there's plenty there.. I know Serowbot has post a lot about carbs, and few others have as well along with pics.. I just woke so I'm too lazy to go pull the threads for you.. yee hee hee

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by Bubba on 08/25/11 at 06:14:56

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1191899985

Go slow...if you have the time that is... ;)

P.S. it's easier if you pull the battery box out.

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by Oldfeller on 08/25/11 at 10:26:57

Big Dave,

Justin isn't here so I guess I'll ask his standard question for him.

"Why do you think you need to tear down your carburetor?"

He always asks this question and lots of times we get an interesting answer back (plus how old the bike is and how many miles it has on it too please)

You'd be surprised how many times the issue isn't the carburetor at all ...

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by bigdave on 08/25/11 at 12:27:24

The bike only has 5600 miles on it. I believe it's the carb bc the bike accelerated in idle & while driving. It's back firing. It's also not starting. It acts like it wants to but doesn't hit the spark. I tried done interesting things to actually start it & it worked & ran for a bit but died. I would let hold the throttle like your supposed to & then let it go. For done reason thTs the only way it'd start. But now it's not.

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by verslagen1 on 08/25/11 at 12:40:10

Too much cafene

:o

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by Boofer on 08/25/11 at 13:12:40

If you are tool challenged that usually means you don't have the confidence to tear something down. Take photos of everything before and during take down. Put screws back in the holes they came out of as soon as something comes off. Go slow and lay parts in the orientation they came off (Facing toward the front or back and right and left) The throttle is on the right. Even in a garage use a light colored sheet under the whole bike to keep small parts from disappearing. DO NOT use a floral colored sheet. It's like camo. (I can't say how I learned) Go to Ron Ayers, Babbitts, or other for exploded view. Get some decent tools and go. BTW, You tried to crank it like you're supposed to. My 650 requires no choke to start but must have a little choke to idle. They are all different. hth :)

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by Oldfeller on 08/25/11 at 14:50:34

Ok Big Dave,

I am going to assume this all came on suddenly and the only reason you want to tear down your carburetor is that your bike won't run much at all.

I also assume you have a stock vac petcock on your scoot that has 5,600 miles on it.

That is a bit early for a petcock to be going south, but before you tear down that carburetor there is a simple test you can do to tell if the petcock is acting up. And yes, the petcock can cause all the symptoms you have mentioned before up thread, but a bad carb or stuck float can do them too.

The list has a long history with petcock problems causing folks to come see us for "carburetor problems" that weren't really carb problems, so it is good to do the petcock test first thing.

Read the whole thing then do the test that is up on the very first page of the thread.

don't forget the 2-3 whacks with the screwdriver handle to free up and reset your float

double click here http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1251932429/1

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by mmosel on 08/25/11 at 15:23:08

I just took mine off. It is a little tricky the first time, but not that hard.

Definitely remove the battery and then the battery box. It's not hard at all. And it gives you a good chance to really clean the battery box inside and out. The tank is a little tricky to lift up at first due to the petc0ck. I scratched my frame just a little there.

Finally, I recommend using plastic sandwich bags and a marker to put pieces into, usually screws, nuts and bolts - and then label where exactly they are from.

Also, taking the pics along the way is a good idea, so you can easily refer back to them.

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by bill67 on 08/25/11 at 16:15:05

2E252B282D3A294C0 wrote:

Run some Sea Foam in the gas and you can put some direct in the bowl,You don't have to take the carb apart.

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by Howitzer on 08/25/11 at 21:53:07

4F4441411B1A2D0 wrote:

Run some Sea Foam in the gas and you can put some direct in the bowl,You don't have to take the carb apart.

+1 Can't hurt, and is much easier to do.

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by bigdave on 08/26/11 at 04:30:32

I've got the carb off as I got ambitious yesterday. Took petcock,battery box & Air tubes off. I'm just not sure what needs cleaned. I really don't know what all the carb consists of. Nothing seemed gunked up. & yes I have tools. I've got 200+ craftsman tools & yes I know how to use them. I tried the petcock ordeal before with same results as if I'd had it in full or reserve. Most of my mechanical knowledge is self taught or friendly advice like on here & both are limited to very little. I've been more into construction until I get into a pinch Like now. That's y I'm getting ready to take a tech class. & most of the grammar problems from previous post is due to having auto fill/auto correct on my phone which I'm currently using. I really just can't figure out how the bike would start when I let go of the throttle when I'd been holding it for a while.

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by Oldfeller on 08/26/11 at 04:46:36

This one seems bound and determined to take his carb apart, so I think he's gonna do it no matter what you say. He's into repair, not into any analysis of his problems.

Big Dave, please be gentle with the internal pieces of the carb, especially the float assembly. It is easy to bend up that sucker in subtle ways that only count when you put it back together.

Do you have a Clymer's manual? Do you have the steps in writing on how to correctly set the float level?

Here are some resources for what you are jumping into .... but you will note she had her book open at the same time which filled in a lot of the blanks for what she doesn't say.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1191899985

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by bill67 on 08/26/11 at 05:35:28

If you screw up the carb you can always buy a new on.

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by drums1 on 08/26/11 at 05:51:51

I'd be willing to help you rebuild it in person, but I'm bettin' you're not any where near Racine, Wisconsin. There are a lot of tiny pieces inside the carb. If not reassembled properly, it will not work right. Period.
Before tearing it apart, do you know anybody that knows anything about carbs? It would be nice to have someone nearby that does, for guidance, if nothing else. If you're determined to do it yourself, follow the advise already given. Go slow, take pictures, mark bags and put parts in them. One tiny little washer not in the right place, or like OF said, a slight bend in the float assembly, and the whole project goes in the crapper.
Good luck. :-/

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by Bubba on 08/26/11 at 10:48:38

just my 2 cents...if you don't want to dig in there and then regret it I think someone used a bucket type cleaner that they just dropped the whole carb into and let sit. Can't remember who it was. Most likely your jets are clogged but I don't know if the bucket 'o cleaner works that deep...

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by drums1 on 08/26/11 at 11:13:37

No it doesn't. At least not in automotive applications. I once bought a rebuilt carb from parts house. I disassembled it for part swapping purposes, only to find it all full of gunk and goo and leftover cleaner. I ended up re-soaking everything, then rinsing, and blowing dry. If you're not going to disassemble it, then Sea Foam is the way to go. At the same time, Sea Foam is not Tiger Blood, or miracle juice. There are some things it just can't fix.

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/11 at 01:02:18

I think a carb has to have its rubber parts removed before dropping it in carb cleaner

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by bigdave on 08/27/11 at 04:05:34

No I don't have anyone around to help. Most my relatives live far off or are not in speaking terms. I let the carb sit in hot doapy water like a local mechanic suggested & now have them drying. He suggested using starter fluid in the carb once it's dry. Hoping it works. I had lots of screws o had to use a biter bit to pull out & need to get those replaced as well as the fuel hose as it tore taking off the tank. Still shocked as I saw no gunk on the carb. Only part I didn't have off was the choke but even that was letting enough fluid in. I'm going to try the spark plug next if bike won't start. Thanks for the help so far guys. Oh and no I don't have the manual, doing everything off of suggestions & exploration. :-/

Title: Re: Carb help
Post by drums1 on 08/27/11 at 06:31:57

You can find an online manual in the Tech section. Go there and the 1st thing listed is the documentation category. See "online manuals". You can download it and have it right on your computer.
Also, as Justin mentioned, all rubber parts gotta come off before using carb cleaner. Don't know if hot soapy water is gonna work or not. Once you get it all back together, try some sea foam in the gas tank. I think it's like, 1 oz. per gallon?