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Title: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by oceantransistor on 08/04/11 at 22:54:51 I have a 2003 Savage, it's my first bike and I bought it with a few months ago with barely 5K on it. I find myself adjusting the throttle screw often, is this common? I also have the bike slowly die on me on the highway at around 70mph once in a while. The mechanic says its probably the governor and he'll check it out when i bring it in again for the break job and new tires. Does any of this make sense? Can the governor be adjusted? |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by verslagen1 on 08/04/11 at 23:06:15 No the savage doesn't have a governor and no you shouldn't need to adjust the idle speed often. When the bikes starts to die at 70, try putting the petcock to prime. could be the vacuum hose needs to be replaced. save some money, do the front brakes yourself. instructions in the tech section. |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by Serowbot on 08/04/11 at 23:26:30 Your mechanic is an idiot... the Savage has no governor. If it isn't a leaky vacuum line, like Versy says... it's a clogged gas tank vent... My money is on the vacuum line... I wouldn't trust the fool with my brakes... they're kinda' important... |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by oceantransistor on 08/04/11 at 23:29:47 Wish I had the time and tools to work on it myself but it's my main source of transportation and I can't afford to tinker with it myself for now. I have had to use the prime from time to time. I'll mention the vacuum hose to the mechanic. I guess it's not something they look into when they do tune-ups. Thanx :) |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by oceantransistor on 08/04/11 at 23:32:13 it's so hard to find a good mechanic these days, last one I went to didn't even know how to remove the seat to change the battery, and it was at a dealership that sold Savages, scary right? :/ |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by verslagen1 on 08/04/11 at 23:54:26 Not too uncommon to get the bottom rung of mechanics when you have a savage. They look at as risk, if the boob screws up... how much will it cost him? not much. Learn about your bike and how it should be repaired. you may not have the skills or tools, but I guaranty you boob doesn't either. You need to be around to tell him where the battery is and loosen the pinch bolt on the front axle to remove it w/o a hammer... no I'm not kidding. |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by Serowbot on 08/04/11 at 23:57:29 Sorry,... okay, don't tell him he's an idiot, if you have to use him... :-X... The dealer is the worst... they'll turn a Savage over to a newbie/kid to learn on... Try Craigslist, for a good backyard/biker mechanic... You may have to go through a few to find a good one, but when you find a good one, you can trust, it'll be worth it... You'll save oodles... 'cause he won't charge you for adjusting the "governor"... The Savage is a simple machine,... that's why, lots of us old timers like it... |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by oceantransistor on 08/05/11 at 00:52:35 My new mechanic shop just started doing work on cruisers, they use to specialize on sports bikes but I guess their expanding their cliente to cruisers and I heard they were pretty good with customer service to say the least. Finally, does the 2003 Savage have a computer in it or is my mechanic really as clueless as me? Thanks guys :) |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by Markusublime on 08/05/11 at 01:16:18 No engine computer on it,those are used to control fuel injected engines.the savage/s40 has a carb for fuel control.the best way to learn about the bike is to work on it,it doesn't take a lot of tools to do just about anything on these bikes,I find myself using a Phillips screw driver and 10mm and 8mm socket to do most repairs on it.a basic socket set is usually all you need.If you're not sure how to do something just ask here, a lot of skilled folks on here who are always willing to help and know these bikes well. |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by Routy on 08/05/11 at 05:14:15 404C4A4E415B5D4E415C465C5B405D2F0 wrote:
I have to say that sometimes you could be in better hands at a dealer, only because they know the bike,....and may spend less time looking,.....and therefore less time fixing,.......but not always the case for sure. BTW, I don't take the seat off to get the battery out. |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by thumperclone on 08/05/11 at 05:40:20 no govener rev limiter yes |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by drums1 on 08/05/11 at 05:59:27 I agree that some dealers have good techs, but the rookie is likely gonna work on your bike. I had a "kid" screw my bike up doing the clutch. Ended up needing a new head. (long story) When it went back to them to re-fix, who do you suppose they have do it? Ya, the new kid. Same one that screwed up in the 1st place. And ya, he screwed it up again. My bike was in the shop a total of about 4 months, two summers ago. I have since found a reputable mechanic, and the old place is now out of business. You just never know. My bike knows. It will never be the same as it once was. |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by Routy on 08/05/11 at 07:54:01 I was that new kid once, working at dealerships, (cars not bikes) and when I didn't know something, there was always a guy nearby that did, and I wasn't shy about asking questions. I would like to think that that still happens today. Not that long ago yet, I went to work at a (dealership) "Walker Mower" mechanic, kind of a specialized trade......in my semi retirement. The only other tech there thought I was out to take his job,.....wouldn't tell me squat ! I was not doing well,...taking too much time figuring stuff out on my own. Till one day we had a serious needed talk,....I convinced him I was just abiding time,....not wanting his job. From then on, he showed me all the quick tricks,......and the mowers got fixed fast, and right, and on time. ;) |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by Serowbot on 08/05/11 at 09:46:48 3C203D25382D3A2B2427262D480 wrote:
No,... neither... |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by oceantransistor on 08/06/11 at 02:14:52 so the plan now is to have them change my tires and breaks as before but I guess I'll try to change the vacuum line myself, hope that works out for me....any suggestions? |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/11 at 04:39:33 whick brakes you lettin them change? What parts will you use? |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by Oldfeller on 08/06/11 at 05:23:08 Justin, don't you be a teasing the newbies ..... He was told he needed it, he's already bent fully over the lift getting ready for it and the grease gun is already a headed his way ..... His "skilled mechanic" has already shown himself to be a well practiced lift bay proctologist and he will surely separate several hundred dollars from our new member while adjusting his |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/11 at 05:24:42 Youre a Baaad man,, OF.. made me :) |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by Oldfeller on 08/06/11 at 05:36:54 Alright, you two smart alecks who said the Savage has a governor explain yerselves -- where is it? What is it? |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by Oldfeller on 08/06/11 at 05:49:22 Oceantransistor, you have a failing vacuum actuated petcock, a very common problem around here. You can repair it (several here will coach you through the tests and steps you need to take) or You can replace it with a Raptor petcock for $20 and not have the follow on issues that will take place as more bits and pieces of the failure prone vac petcock go bad on you as time passes. ========================= Justin is actually asking a good question, what else has this "mechanic" told you that you "need to replace"??? The guy obviously knows bupkis about your bike, so what other lies and exaggerations has he provided you with? By your mileage and year given you may need some front brake pads ($30 on Ebay and an easy 2 hour project to do yourself) and if the bike was ridden very hard you may need a rear tire soon. Other than that, you really don't need much done to your bike apart from mebbe a valve adjustment which is something you really should do yourself. Mind you, we have people on this list who have NEVER adjusted their valves and still manage to ride their bikes jest fine .... all things are relative around here. |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by oceantransistor on 08/06/11 at 09:07:24 So he's having me change the front rotor and pads and replace both tires because both tires have cracks al ove the walls due to aging. The breaks just sound really rough when applied and the back ones squeak a lot so he said the drums probably just need cleaning. Overall his suggestions made sense to me since I ride on the highway daily and I've always been a bit rough on breaks. Back to this vacuum subject...am I changing the hose/line or the entire peacock? |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by oceantransistor on 08/06/11 at 09:28:31 I meant petcock, don't judge me :D |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by verslagen1 on 08/06/11 at 09:41:17 The hose is $2. A repair kit or raptor is $20. Or stock is over $60. I'd go in that order. |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by Oldfeller on 08/06/11 at 09:55:01 Your mechanic is "shotgunning" the front brake issue unnecessarily. That rotor isn't shot unless you let the pads wear slam completely out and the rotor is heavily scored by rubbing against the steel backing pad for a period of time. You can look straight parallel to the rotor and you can actually see if you have pad material left -- if so order some cheap pads and do it yourself. The rotor by itself is over $100 -- generally speaking rotors last through 3-4 sets of pads before even becoming worn to Suzuki's very conservative specs. Ebay or EBC front pads (either kind) cost about $30 and you clean the old surface up on the rotor with some hand applied sandpaper to remove the old glazing. EBC or Ebay kevlar pads will stop your noise issue. Mechanic is closer on the rear brakes -- they last 4 times longer than the fronts do and all you have to do to them is remove the dust whenever you have to put on a new tire. Age cracked tires that hold air reliably are real world "good to go" to wear out the rest of their contact rubber. Remember, the inner tube is what holds the air on our bikes, not the tire itself. Mechanic may be spoofing you a bit on the tire thing, but then again "tire mfgs recommend replacing age checked sidewall tires". Now this is true enough, but one wonders if they aren't serving themselves a bit by that recommendation on a tube based tire .... (it does make good sense on a tubeless tire, BTW) We do have a black box which is a preset thing, we do not have a programmable "computer" that can be Power Commandered like a sports bike can. To imply he can "adjust" your computer is completely fraudulent .... and NO he can't "tune your bike" unless he just sticks you for a spark plug you didn't need as well. Everything electronic is preset and NONADJUSTABLE as far as tuning goes. Now, as far the peacock thing -- click modify on that post and as the owner of that post you can go in and fix it. Then you can delete your last one as unnecessary and nobody will be the wiser .... Lord knows I typo enough stuff to know how to do that little trick, I've been known to go back and find stuff I screwed up a day or so later and I'll go back in and fix it .... ::) Watch Verslagen's last post and he'll show you how to fix a typo -- he's on his phone again, you can tell. Really, get your bike back away from that proctologist mechanic and start working on it yourself !!!! .......... or if he's already into your bike for hundreds of dollars, at least get him to give you a cigarette and an "HIV clean certificate" after he's finished having his fun with you. >:( Absofockinglutely insist on getting all of your old parts back -- I want them as there isn't anything much wrong with them !!!! |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by Serowbot on 08/06/11 at 10:12:49 No governor on a Savage,... but... If you still have the stock petcock, it does have a "Prime Minister"... Yuk,... Yuk.... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by oceantransistor on 08/06/11 at 10:40:30 Everyone is a comedian up in here, is it cuz its saturday or cuz I paid the mechanic $170 for a tune that just required a spark plug change? Either way he said the pads were down to bare metal thus the real bad breaking sound. That would be my fault I guess. Unfortunately I already ordered the tires so I'm feeling I should just change them? Let me get this straight, first I should change the hose and then get a petcock repair kit if the issue reappears? |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by Oldfeller on 08/06/11 at 10:47:11 You can replace the hose .... then, when that quits .... .... you can get the $20 rebuild kit .... or you can just get the $20 Raptor, which does not need the hose or the rebuild kit .... and won't fail ever never again. Now, watch the following clip and see if you can identify the various parties that are shown. ;) me, I'd be the angry one with the gun ...... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t8xp3ojpdk[/media] |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by oceantransistor on 08/06/11 at 10:49:45 LMAO, I'll look inot this after I get off work today....you might be on to something ;D |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by MrBrownTX on 08/06/11 at 18:24:41 What movie is that from? I have never seen it before. |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/11 at 18:40:38 3422352830252833470 wrote:
way to go Rowboat... thats funny,, |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by oceantransistor on 08/06/11 at 20:10:43 the movie is Little Shop of Horrors....awesome classic :) |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by oceantransistor on 08/06/11 at 21:37:40 1E3D3537343D3D3423510 wrote:
--- so where can I get this Raptor Petcock and how does it work differently from my regular petcock? Will I have to do some modifications when I remove the old and install the new one? |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by Oldfeller on 08/06/11 at 22:02:05 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1251932429/1 |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by oceantransistor on 08/06/11 at 23:20:57 i read the the post link, thanx.... I'm just wondering exactly how the alternate Raptor Petcock works better than the stock petcock and whats the main difference in functionality between the two? |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/07/11 at 00:52:57 The Raptor is just a gas valve, manual, the OEM Suzuki unit is vacuum operated & has a tendency to fail. |
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Title: Re: Bike engine slowly dies at around 70 MPH Post by Oldfeller on 08/07/11 at 03:53:38 The Suzuki stock vac actuated petcock was the contraption that Steve Martin put on his face at the end of the clip -- it failed repeatedly on him and wound up killing him. He couldn't keep a consistent vacuum (his little balloons deflated on him) then his metering diaphragm finally split on him and he flooded to death. |
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