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Title: 2013 FI S40? Post by Drifter on 07/30/11 at 16:22:23 Being how 2012 is the last of the carbed bikes in the US will Suzuki kill off the Savage/S40 or add fuel injection? I hope they add injection and keep the tradition of this bike going for another 10 years! Still in production since 1986 is some kind of record!! |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by SuperSavage on 07/30/11 at 16:27:34 FI and hydraulic valve lifters would make this bike bullet-proof and much easier to maintain and own. Could be a bigger seller with those additions provided the price doesn't rise too much. ;) |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by Serowbot on 07/30/11 at 16:48:24 Oxygen sensors, MAP sensors, Throttle position sensors, computer controller... Nope... I'd rather have a carb... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by mmosel on 07/30/11 at 17:24:25 Wow, I had no idea they were outlawing carbs on new bikes in 2013. darnit! I guess if you want a cheap LS650, now is the time to get one. Once they stop making them, demand will definitely go up. Right now you can get killer deals on low mileage, like new bikes. I've seen them for 2 to 2.5 k. And of course you can get older models for even much less. I bet they kill it off. That'll be a sad day. I guess 2012 really will be the end of the world... for the savage that is. ( ok technically, 2013 but yeah ) |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by John_D FSO on 07/31/11 at 07:01:13 5F5F5D41575E320 wrote:
Last year for the Ford Ranger too. [smiley=cry.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by papi_ocho on 07/31/11 at 07:38:49 Yup they will kill it off. along with the GS500 and their dual sports. That may mark the end of single cylinder bikes all together. Most are carb'd. Atleast the ones that the average person wants to own. Cost of ownership is a big deciding factor. Are any of mid-level suzuki cruisers FI? Not much different than when they did away with 2 stroke engines. yamaha's blaster and banchee! Even chain saws. This is just another step in someone's master plan. For right now the we are just going along with it because there isn't clear "end state" but the next phase out might include something real important in our lives. our childrens lives are changing: the easy bake oven needs to be redesigned or phased out after decades because the government marked the light bulb that powers it for "phase out" |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by Midnightrider on 07/31/11 at 17:27:10 I had my Savage up for sale. Now I'm having second thoughts. |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by WD on 08/01/11 at 17:01:19 4057565C5751590500030200320 wrote:
Last year for the Ford Ranger too. [smiley=cry.gif][/quote] Fraud is finally killing off that miserable excuse for a mini truck? Good riddance. Mine started throwing an intermittent check engine light with associated cylinder drop off. New wires, plugs, battery (cooked on header, worn out, cracked respectively). Can hit 55 in 3rd gear, but drive more than a couple miles and it does it again. At low speeds, like 35-40 mph low speeds. And of course, almost nothing from the 92 parts junker fits the 94. I can't wait to take the backhoe to the trucklets. Unless you want to come get them? I'd rather fix "Standartenfurher" anyway (my 72 Super Beetle). Same color as the General Lee, but a lot smaller, so it is only a Colonel. ;) And, it has a carb and a POINTS distributor, none of that fancy crap that is guaranteed to cornhole you in the middle of nowhere. |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by Boofer on 08/01/11 at 18:31:09 There are thumpers out there with FI and plans for more (of course). The dirt bikes are getting a good reputation for reliability and rideability. I saw a really good article about this in one of the mc mags. He mentioned all the improvements in the last hundred years and the way we griped about them until we learned to love them. Remember dirt bikes with a six volt spark going through soaked points? Anyway, he explained it perfectly and then said he doesn't like it, either. I'll stick with my carb as long as I can. :) |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by John_D FSO on 08/02/11 at 03:05:28 Honda's new CBR250 is a thumper, and FI too, to maybe there'll still be a few around. And I haven't had any trouble yet with my '99 Ranger, it's been a pretty good reliable ride for the last 12 years. |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by WD on 08/02/11 at 03:57:40 The 94 was anvil solid until last week. Not a hint of trouble, then... The 92 runs great, but Fraud in its infinite wisdom fatally designed the inner fender as a welded on cab component. So the short bed doesn't run right, and the long bed is a total. And the computers are different generations, not interchangeable. I suppose i could swap in a carbed 302 and a real transmission, but why bother? I have 3 full sizes too. And the Dodges are a lot more comfortable. Drove the C10 for the first time Saturday to rescue the Ranger, it can go away as well, not designed for someone over 6' tall with 13EEE boots. I'd rather see the Savage quietly fade into the sunset than see it kitted up with FI and the related electrical nonsense. Let it join the other classics in the dusty annals of history. It would be in good company... AJS, Matchless, Norton, BSA, Triumph (new ones don't count as real), Harley (died in 1964), Indian, etc. |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by mpescatori on 08/02/11 at 04:15:44 786B2F0 wrote:
Last year for the Ford Ranger too. [smiley=cry.gif][/quote] Fraud is finally killing off that miserable excuse for a mini truck? Good riddance. Mine started throwing an intermittent check engine light with associated cylinder drop off. New wires, plugs, battery (cooked on header, worn out, cracked respectively). Can hit 55 in 3rd gear, but drive more than a couple miles and it does it again. At low speeds, like 35-40 mph low speeds. And of course, almost nothing from the 92 parts junker fits the 94. I can't wait to take the backhoe to the trucklets. Unless you want to come get them? I'd rather fix "Standartenfurher" anyway (my 72 Super Beetle). Same color as the General Lee, but a lot smaller, so it is only a Colonel. ;) And, it has a carb and a POINTS distributor, none of that fancy crap that is guaranteed to cornhole you in the middle of nowhere.[/quote] WD, if you have "check engine" issues with your [gas operated] pickup, chances are it's the mechanic's fault. My [diesel] truck had the same issues, mistery gremlins lighting up the red "check engine" alarm for anything from hitting a pothole to slowing down after a long, flawless drive at 60-70mph+ (100-110kmh+). The engine would switch to "protected mode" also known as "limp home" mode: the turbine would deliver no more than the bare minimum pressure, the EMS would inject only the bare minimum fuel and the engine would deliver only the bare minimum horsepower... :P After months and months of fruitless investigation, it turned out one of the wires driving the injectors (mine's a "common rail - high pressure injector" TDi) had been clipped into its seat with only one of the two clips snapping into place; all you needed was a pothole or even just a litthe engine judder and the wires would jiggle just a little, but enough for the EMS to read a "injector malfunction" and switch into [lame mule] mode. Once we discovered what it was, it was only a matter of ensuring the wires would "double click" into place and the issue was solved successfully ! Else... it may be you do much too much slow "loping along" driving, and your EGR valve is mucked up (and the intake manifold along with it). Fill up with the highest octane fuel available, pour in an excess dose of STP Carb/Injector cleaner (i.e., if the label reads "one bottle for 20 gals" you pour in two, even three bottles) and take a long, high rpm drive (i.e. do NOT engage overdrive) in order to burn your oxygen and lambda sensors clean and suck and burn all the oil muck wich condensed inside your intake manifold. If your truck's a diesel, fill up with high-cetane diesel (SHELL call it "V-Power") and use the "diesel injector cleaner" bottles. It worked for me 8-) AND it's cheaper than going to Johnny Wrench'em ;) |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by bill67 on 08/02/11 at 11:44:33 The trouble is if the S40 had FI all these tinkers here wouldn't have a carb to take apart,But with FI you could still use Sea Foam. :) |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by Boule’tard on 08/02/11 at 12:51:31 Two words: Power Commander ;) Mpescatori, we don't have a diesel minitruck in the states. I think the smallest diesel truck you can get here is the Ford F-250, which is huge. If VW brought back their minitruck and gave it the TDI, I'd be all over it. Who cares about the Ranger anyway.. it's just a Mazda B-series ;) |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by John_D FSO on 08/02/11 at 15:56:35 404D574E4756435046220 wrote:
It always irritates me when I see some of the vehicle options available in other countries, particularly on vehicles based here. Take the Ranger for an example. Go almost anywhere else, and you can get it with a decent little diesel engine, and four ACTUAL doors. Same with passenger cars: I'd love a diesel Focus or something, like the UK has. It looks like they finally got the Mahindra (sp) imported from India with a diesel; they had quite a time getting all the "legal" stuff finalized. Supposed to be a decent little rig I guess? :-? http://www.dfwmahindra.com/index.php?x=vehicleinfo |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by Boule’tard on 08/02/11 at 17:39:03 1106070D0600085451525351630 wrote:
Awesome, I'm glad there's something I like coming down the pike. When it's time for a new truck, driving to Dallas would be a heck of a lot easier than my other idea, to try to get a Toyota Hilux. And then collect used veg oil and make biodiesel :D |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by WD on 08/02/11 at 19:25:03 Can't run high octane in the twin ignition Rangers, they'll "blow up". Ditto fuel treatments. And spray cleaners or soak in treatments will cook the TPS pick-up. I'm leaning towards a sticking/stuck thermostat. Top hose gets the equivalent of white hot within a couple miles... Overdrive? I don't generally bother, can bury the needle in 4th. Rarely get on the freeway, truck tops out around 80, nowhere near enough top end for Memphis traffic. |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by mmosel on 08/02/11 at 23:10:40 Yeah Ford has a fiesta in the UK and I think Australia that runs a diesel and it gets 65 miles per gallon. They refuse to import it. I read some articles where they claim there is no demand, or it would cost too much to import an engine from the UK. (huh?) The other bad news is that the new regulations on diesels here makes them much harder to run biodiesel. I think the latest TDIs will not run biodiesel at all, which is a real shame. There could very easily be a biodiesel revolution happening but the powers that be don't seem to want that. http://thegreencarco.com/blog/green-guise/green-guise-volkswagen-turns-back-on-biodiesel/ My dad runs old diesel Dodge trucks and old Mercedez on biodiesel full time. Even if Ford did sell the diesel Fiesta here, I don't know if it would run on biodiesel or not. |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by prsavage on 08/10/11 at 00:34:53 I would look at a FI Savage if they could make it as good a performer as the FI Boulevard C50. |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by mpescatori on 08/10/11 at 02:29:37 5A5A5844525B370 wrote:
MMosel, I do not know who your sourse of info are, but I wouldn't mind calling them liars big time. 1) Never tell a kid "don't eat the cookies in the jar", that's when they get "ate"! So, just ask people at gas stations "would you drive a 100hp Fiesta if it gave you 65mpg? Would you drive a diesel?" THAT is what creates demand! 2) Ford Fiestas, VW, Audis, BMW, MB, Fiats (who invented multijet TDis) GM all make excellent diesel engines which will deliver anything from 140 to 170hp from a Euro5 2 liter 4 cylinder powerplant... AND still deliver at least 50 mpg on a C-class Mercedes, or a 3-Series BMW! And I'm talking about a 2-liter 4 cylinder engine, not the overrated 3.5 liter V6 or an entirely unnecessary 5 liter V8 ! 3) All the above have been running on industrial grade biodiesel in Germany for years. 4) You CANNOT run a direct-injection, common rail TDi on home-made veggie oil brew because you cannot buy the required chemicals in large enough quantities to make the whole process worthwhile... B U T considering higher demand will justify lower prices, you should expact diesel to drop from the ridiculous price you pay in the US to 90% or less of low grade Regular, as it should be. Why is this? Because in a refinery, you actually refine diesel to obtain gasoline!!! It's like saying that wine is more expensive than brandy ! Or that beer is more expensive than whiskey! See my point ? ;) |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by Drifter on 08/11/11 at 04:50:15 I would guess a large percentage of people would say yes to that question about buying a 65 MPG car! There is a small 2 cylinder diesel car in france that gets 80 MPG. Here we have fat hogs that weigh 900 lbs or more and get 30 mpg. Thanks bushy and big oil!! |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by mmosel on 08/11/11 at 19:29:18 http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_37/b4099060491065.htm?chan=autos_autos+--+lifestyle+subindex+page_top+stories http://www.grist.org/article/fiesta From above article: ( back in 2008 it looks like ) The Ford Fiesta ECOnetic, a small, sporty five-seater that gets an impressive 65 miles per gallon, will the hit the road in November -- but only in Europe. "We just don't think North and South America would buy that many diesel cars," says Ford America President Mark Fields. http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2009/07/17/ford-fiesta/ http://gas2.org/2011/02/10/petition-to-bring-ford%E2%80%99s-global-diesel-ranger-to-america/ I agree, and that's why it is complete bull that Ford won't import it here. It would sell big time, I personally think. But do they want Americans to know they can sell cars that get 65 MPG? They make us think 35 MPG is GREAT! |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by mpescatori on 08/12/11 at 06:02:19 I've read the whole list of links you provided, and many related links... over an hour poring over interviews, releases, figures etc. My conclusion is that Ford (and GM) thinktanks are still convinced we are in the '60s, when USA would buy American and South America would "See, Se[ch8134]or" in Speedy Gonzales style to the Yankee salesman anytime the latter waved something under their nose. With global markets showing the consumer what can be achieved, and with nobody bowing with a Speedy Gonzales accent anymore, Ford and GM had better get their act together before it's too late. Ford sells the Ranger here in Italy with a wonderful 2.5 liter 143hp TDi; for those who want to save a few bucks, its clone is also sold as the Mazda [something], they're both built in Thailand. http://www.ford.co.uk/Commercialvehicles/Ranger Else, there's : Nissan http://www.nissan.co.uk/#vehicles/4x4/navara Toyota http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toyota/bv/generic_editorial.jsp?navRoot=toyota_1024_root&navType=Internal&deepLink=HL6_explore&edname=HL6_ModelDiscovery&id=MSR_HILUX&zone=Zone+NG+Hilux&sr=Mall In Argentina, when GM shut down shop, Italian FIAT and Indian TATA were quick to create a joint venture and gobbled up the entire organization, with plants, machinery etc. still standing and requiring only some adjustemns to the tooling to convert from producing GM cars to Italian sedans and Indian 4x4s "Latin American Operations Tata Motors has taken its alliance with Fiat to produce a new one-tonne pick-up truck, for Latin American markets from Fiat's facility in Argentina. This arrangement will also see Tata Motors forming a joint venture with a subsidiary of Iveco, the commercial vehicle division on Fiat, to set up a distribution network. " This is their pickup, with a 2.2 liter 140hp TDi http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Tata_Xenon.JPG/250px-Tata_Xenon.JPG "The Xenon is powered by newly developed 2.2L common rail turbodiesel 140 PS (103 kW) engine (DICOR)[i.e. Direct injection Common Rail]. It also features the extended cab (X-Tend cab) for the first time to selected markets. The Xenon is assembled in Thailand by Tata-Thonburi JV, and in Argentina by Tata-Fiat JV." So, get ready Ford and GM, the market is ripe and ready for diesel light trucks, SUVs and family cars !!! 8-) Now, back to biking ... ;) |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by mmosel on 08/14/11 at 00:44:47 Suzuki has a 250 thumper that is Fuel Injected - 2011 TU250X. ( 79 mpg too ) So I wouldn't be surprised to see them release the S40/Savage with fuel injection. But I'd still rather keep my carb. |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/14/11 at 04:19:24 I think the end of carburetors may be the Big Event the Mayans were seeing on the calendar. |
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Title: Re: 2013 FI S40? Post by Drifter on 08/14/11 at 13:28:30 Justin, that is great!! I guess the end of carbs will seem like the end of the world to some.. I guess most of the ethanol problems will end also, except for the millions of people that still own carbed engines... |
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